...recently there have been posts on this and the LA board regarding "high volume providers."  For the most part the term ,as Wendy pointed out, has a negative connotation.  I have read posts on the boards and have chatted with people in the chat rooms you say they won't see a particular provider because they have deemed her, by whatever standard, a "high volume provider."  On the other hand being a "high volume hobbyist" (a guy who sees many providers) is something that many revere, and even aspire to.  

Now I understand that there will always be double standards and that this site is geared for men, but is being one really any better or worse than the other?  I find it ironic that some guys will rag on a provider who has a lot of reviews but then brag about how many providers they have seen in the last month.  

As I have mentioned before, I see very few providers--and I am less concerned with how many guys a provider has seen than who she has seen.

I wonder if any providers would be as wary about seeing a guy who's written a lot of reviews as some guys are about seeing a provider who has received a lot reviews.

There's no comparison with the number of guys a provider might see vs. the number of providers a guy might see over any period of time. No guy is that rich and no guy has an iron dick.

First, I think that you comment that "...this site is geared for men..." is not necessarily true.  Just go look at the TER mail bag and see what happens to providers who loose the TER connection.  IMO this site serves BOTH providers and clients.  But having said that I do understand where you are comming from with regards to the male shopping center atmosphere. I have seen providers cringe and their explicit reviews and at the same time are greatful to have them.

Secondly, I think that volume for a man may mean two in a day at most, with high volume fellas doing more that two a week for a run or two.  High volume for the ladies may mean as many as 8 (or more?)a day. I remember talking to one who told me that she did do that one day and it had totally freaked her out.  She re-grouped and became a low volume high $ provider after that.  The connotations that accompany the term "high volume" for the providers do have a negative air.  As is seen in some reviews, gents often question the time to clean up between clients when a provider has the revolving door.  My lady friend who did that volume did say that she had become caught up in the money and the excitement of the escorting business when she first got into it.  The day that she jammed so many clients in was when she realized that she had gotten popular and yet had lost control. She was trying to accommodate them all and ended up feeling very used and dirty for having done it.  After a break she came back to the biz and is enjoying a more sedate pace.

...the standard for being considered a high volume provider and a high volume hobbyist are not the same.  I am quite aware that a hobbyist would be hard pressed to be able to make as many appointments as a provider could.  For example, I was in the chat room when a guy bragged of seeing 4 providers in a week--I would consider that a high volume hobbyist.  A provider who saw 4 men in a week would not be considered a high volume provider.

So again my question is, is a (relatively speaking) high volume hobbyist really any different than a high volume provider?



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2k1, i think i understand what you're saying, but the differences imho are these:

1.  if a girl is "high volume", then if i see her, i think i have the uncomfortable and potentially embarassing chance of running into the prior or next guy when going to see her.

2.  another concern is whether she is cleaned up when i see her.  almost nothing is worse than thinking, "i might be the 4th or 5th guy today" to be datying this girl (or worse, datying after some other guy had his dick there perhaps less than an hour before).

3.  lastly, i like to see providers at night mostly.  if i'm the end of a busy day for her, then she might be tired, f**ked out, or otherwise just not into our session by the time she gets around to me.

none of these differences would be involved with a "high-volume providee" (my own coined term LoL) except possibly #2 if, for example, he saw two girls in one day and did not shower between sessions.

in short, the negative connotations in my opinion do apply for providers but not providees.  not fair, perhaps, but we're the paying gents who decide where our $$$ go.

As a provider, I really don't like to see a lot of clients per day.  I average around 3 a day.  Sometimes there are more and sometimes there are less, but that is the average.  I have had a few days that I have seen as many as 12, but those were very long days!!!  I worked for over 24 hours straight, then I slept for 13 hours, but that was when I first started in the biz.

It's not really that I can't live with myself if I am a "high volume" provider, it's just that I feel that I should give each and every client my best and I can't do that if I am "high volume," not to mention that I take a shower in between each person and there's simply not time.  It's also exhausting, both mentally and physically.

Having spent time with a spectrum of gentlemen, having a range of involvement from exceedingly infrequent flirting to seeing several providers in a single weekend, I will say that I delight in both sorts of men.  That being said, there are qualities of both types that are preferable, and also traits of each that are lacking.

From my limited experience, the idiosyncrasies seem to overwhelmingly be as follows (remember, MANY do not display these "stereotypical" affections):  

The men who see many women seem a bit "jaded," and often talk FAR too much about their avocation.  The obsession with message boards, reviews, ranking, postings, etc. gets annoying to coddle in conversation--it's truly an addiction, perhaps more than the actual interaction with the escorts!  However, they are astute about the ettiquette and limitations of their interaction with an escort, and rarely overstep bounds...they are, quite simply, more often "the perfect client."

The men who engage escort services very infrequently tend to be more prone to unrealistic expectation of the escort-client relationship, and are FAR more likely to have emotional "issues" with the association that develops.  However, they seem to more often offer activities outside the "usual" escort activities (my trips with neophytes to this exchange have more commonly included cultural events, fine restaurants, etc.) and are usually more leisurely in their attitudes toward the "service" portion of the evening with a courtesan.  I must say that the times I have felt like I was treated most like a lady were usually by someone who was NOT a seasoned "hobbyist."

All of this yackety-yak having been spouted, I will say that I can name several men who have treated me like a princess, who have seen scores of escorts!  And I have had my single-most-horrid experience with someone who had never seen an escort.

So there.

If I was a client I think the main problem I would have with seeing a high volume provider is the likelihood that the further down the line you are the less likely you are to get a top quality service yet you'll be paying the same as the first guy that day.  If providers are able to maintain a high quality service when seeing many clients in one day then, of course, that's great.  I know I couldn't which is why I only see one, or very ocassionally two, clients per day and work about 4 or 5 days per week.

The fact is that society has double standards for men and women when it comes to sexuality and if high-volume clients are sometimes revered and high volume providers denigrated, it's just a symptom of those double standards.

In this case the standard is the same. Seeing 10-15 clients per week (30-45 per month) is a lot more than a guy seeing one tenth that amount.

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that same "sweetness" that is linked to the propensity for emotional involvement which makes them scary to the ladies, since they are the ones most likely to become stalkers.  

The frequent hobbyists, on the other hand, are more likely to want their "money's worth" during the festivities, and may sometimes have annoying attitudes from a woman's perspective, but are overall the preferred type because they are less scary, and in the end, safety is paramount.

High volume hobbiers (I think I'm one of them at 1-2 "dates/week) have nothing to do with "high volume" providers who see upwards of 6 or more of us DAILY.

My reverence is reserved for those providers who are excellent at what they do, regardless of the number of men they do it for.  That's their business.  Our business is to decide for ourselves what's important to us.  If visiting a provider that has perhaps entertained a number of men before you is problematic, then find other providers who have not, or arrange earlier meetings.

I've asked the question of some providers re the number of reviews I have posted on TER.  None have seemed to mind at all, and in fact some have actually used this fact as a verification tool.  And aside from a handful who have requested no review be written (I generally honor that request, unless the "date" was so terrible, and the services were not near those promised), reviews  really haven't been an issue, in quality or quantity.

I would imagine that the risk of emotional involvement could also happen to the provider with some of these more "sweet" encounters.

Especially if you wind up with a hobbyist that sees you maybe once a month your his ATF...

is that your "perferred" client is likely to be more annoying but safer.  Are you having fun at this?

...for understanding and answering my question.  I am always interested in hearing the feelings of those on both sides of the equation.

Interesting reading....but I have always been amazed that people actually believe that a provider could see 6-7 people in a day. I am sure that there are a few that do that on OCCASION but I am postive that the majority do not. A body is not a machine nor is the mind capable of dealing with that type of interaction day after day.

...& whatever the number that we as individuals might think defines high-volume, I'll add another twist to the issue FWIW.  Does it make a difference to anyone, guys or gals, how many of the encounters are with regulars vs how many are new?

As a for instance, by my own definition I'm probably a middle if the road guy, averaging perhaps once a week over the last 3yrs.  But as I tend to see my favorites the vast majority of the time, my new encounters have dropped drastically..probably to maybe once every two months.  And whatever the number of clients these favorites of mine see, in almost every case I perceive that by far the majority are with regulars like myself.

So I'm curious as to what perception other guys or gals might think about there being any difference in these types of situations vs others where the majority of the encounters are new.  

Personally, I do feel that there is in many cases a greater likelihood of someone becoming jaded the more new people they see in a given period of time if it's a large number.

Anyone have thoughts along these lines?

"Does it make a difference to anyone...how many of the encounters are with regulars vs how many are new?"

I'm not going to get too specific here--don't wish to stir things up too much--but if you'll notice in my original post I stated something to the effect that I am less concerned with how many guys a provider sees than who she sees.  I'll leave it at that.

Thank you Nicole! I have often felt the same way! But I believe some of the men who pursue this hobby are under the belief that providers who are low volume are more "safe" then those who aren't...which does not mean much because someone can look "clean" and be carrying god knows what. If a provider or client gets involved in unprotected anything they are risking their saftey, does not really matter what the numbers are.

Sorry, but I don't wish to elaborate on this here.  I will say you may be taking my statement too literally and reading more into it than there really is.

My God, you're beautiful....

Wow.... my heart's still pounding...

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I'm not sure I agree. I can think of a few ladies in my area that HAVE to be seeing at least 8-10 a day..
Your website is great, btw. You're stunning!

xo
Sedona

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always a nice thing, but a willingness to compromise safety for the sake of fun is unwise.  The ideal client is of course one who is both fun and safe!

with.  Guys, don't do this!  Hey, you are right if you think that this isn't a "real date", but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't treat the lady with repect and consideration.

Thank you, thank you!
I enjoy being able to refer for my clients if they need to or ask me to - I have plenty of recommendations - but think how it sounds sometimes, please!
I try to live in the present, and my focus is the one in my presence...
(thanks for posting that)

xo
Sedona

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We at Minx get round this situation by only opening the phones at 6pm.
Also many of our the ladies have a day job and are only around after 8pm.
Also you will find ladies that do not have anywhere to accomodate clients and therefore only do outcalls, are unlikely to see more than one client a night.
And with the slowdown in the economy in general this business has slowed down in comparison to this time last year.

Curiouser and curiouser...

We should be popular and well reviewed, but if we're too popular and too reviewed we may be "high volume", or just hard to get hold of and that's not good either.

We should be girlfriend calibre "nice", but know when the appropriate moment is to turn it all off and leave.

We make a living this way, but we're not supposed to ACT like we make a living this way...

I honestly see both sides of the fence in this case, if I was a guy I'd probably feel the same as many of those who've commented here.  But all the same it strikes me more and more everytime I think about this, how much it is like juggling or some kind of balancing act, and that for each of us it's a different solution.

-Anya

every client, and an ability to read men very important. All of it very tiring mentally and emotionally.  Those who do it well are at the top of the profession.