That's what I LOVE about P411, all a lady has to do to check me out is check out my "okays" I doubt that I have been asked for anything more than that in over a year, which means it's been over a hundred appointments I have booked through P411 without being asked to jump through any additional hoops.

If it sounds like I am a fan of P 411, I guess it's because I am.

The few times I've been asked for a reference, I've found some difficulties with it.

1. I may not have talked to them for a while.
2. They may not remember me.
3. I may have deleted their conversation.
4. Either of us may have changed our phone number.
5. I can just reference a username from TER and any phone numbers attached to their reviews.

What's the best way to give references? Can the providers see extra information that normal or VIP users can't that allows them to verify the client? Honestly I've just given names/phone numbers and any details they've asked for and haven't had a problem, but I'm just not seeing how it can't be faked and am assuming they rely on their own sense of trust.

He said, "I really hate to bother her since I haven't seen her in over a year, but you can contact _______"

I told the guy that most likely, she is not bothered giving a reference because its just what we do.  Sure enough, I contacted the girl and she was helpful and not annoyed at all.

We anticipate that the girl won't remember much.  We just need to know that she saw you.  We NEVER forget a bad client, but most clients are good- so not very memorable- especially if we only saw you once a long time ago.

Just give her the references and sit back and chillax!  Let the provider worry about screening you and double checking your info.

I'm not sure what has your knickers in such a twist here again, but I'll assume this has something to do with your posts on the newbie board as well. Whoever this person is, she must've really taken you for a ride. You never answered my question on the newbie page, so I can't offer my two cents. I'm not sure it would matter as you seem to be riding the high horse on anger.  

My advice: lay low for a lil while and blow off some steam elsewhere or I'm afraid you're going to take it out on the next 'innocent' provider. Not a good thing.  

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Lots can change in a year.....................

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Allow yourself to give a provider's contact information as a reference two times for every time you have seen her.

That way, you are always giving references from someone you have seen recently, and who will remember you.  

There's nothing like keeping things simple.

For the most part, I try to use ladies I've seen recently as my references. When doing this, the most important thing is to make sure you use ladies who are reference friendly. Believe it or not, and this is one of the paradoxes, some ladies get jealous, and can't be used. I always let my references know that a new lady will be contacting them, and if they would, at their earliest convenience, let the new lady know I'm a really hot guy. Just teasing! That I'm one of the good guys. If at all possible, as a way of saying thank you, I try to schedule a session with my references. But for the most part, since I don't generally see too many new ladies, I'm so far ahead in favors granted, that my references are happy to oblige my request even if I can't get around to see them too.

My second paradox comes after my introduction to the new lady has been sent. I like to know two things. One, that the new lady, in fact, contacted my refs. And two, that my refs complied with my request. I'm usually in contact with my friends, and obviously in contact with the new lady, so I ask all parties involved, how the references went. If I find out that the new lady didn't contact them, it makes me feel uncomfortable on a variety of levels. It can be a deal breaker. If I find out that my refs refused the new lady's request, that is a deal breaker.

Exactly, GaGambler,
Besides, most girls will not respond to follow ups from other girls due to jealousy or not wanting the drama which inevitably comes with requests. Regardless of how professional providers claim to be, it's still touchy esp if they have/had a good relationship with a client.
P411 is great: screening can be done is a matter of seconds and clients' likes and requests are clearly listed. I highly recommend it, too

I haven't had to give references since I joined P411 almost 4 years ago.  It's a great service!

I've had no issues with ladies I have seen providing references.  While I do try to use ladies I have seen the most recently there are a couple who I use that remember me.  I also provide a little memory jogger every now and then.

If you are worried if a lady won't remember you, email her and ask if she'll be a reference for you.

...All the ladies I use as references have been very professional and quick to respond. I'm sure it helps that I'm in Atlanta. Most of the ladies I've seen know each other and usually know the lady requesting the reference.

What do you do if the potential client isn't a P411 member?

Could be because I try to roughly follow a "90 day rule," give or take. There are providers I'm pretty sure would give me a reference if I asked but because it's been way more than 90 days I don't ask, it's just bad form.

Couldn't you simply give her your handle here on TER?  She then can choose who she calls. She isn't looking to see if you are a good lay, she's checking that you aren't LE and that you aren't an asshole.  With P411 I assume, if they find it necessary, they can contact any of the ladies that gave me an okay. I actually find it insulting that a lady that uses P411 asked for more information. Don't all those okays tell you, I'm okay? I mean it isn't 2 or 5 or 10.... Whatever. Ladies need to do what makes them feel safe. We can choose to give the additional information or not to.

No argument here- I had to look at the overall picture to decide it was worth the risk.

Hey, look at what we did!  

Lol

I don't give references because I don't ask for them.  I think the reference system is great, but I'm not investing time into a system I'll never benefit from.  So you might also want to ask a provider if she actually uses a reference system at all.

Best to just read thier contact page . I know i simply direct them to my contact page . Wether its a text or email or a pm.
   No need to transcribe or cut n paste it manually to each individual inquiry on my end! That would just be plain silly.And tiring.

 
  I actually had one day last week where my phone was off for a day. I put it on and found almost 40 texts messages!

If people think i am going to individually spell it out for each potential client when , well that is what I bought a web site for!  

 
   I just direct traffic to the contact page and then wait . I find more often than not though the guys do not read it!
 I have to also respond to thier email by requesting further required info as i say i need on the contact page.

I know for me and most the ladies I contact as referals, they require a number email and name.  

   There was a period where the guys were sharing thier p411 info with friends. Then as of late there was a guy using a top 100 reviewees alias to attempt to book using only a name and email.  

You DO NOT rely on sense of trust when doing things of an ilegal nature that also are known to atract assailants, serial killers, abductors, thieves, . Not a GOOD IDEA.  
  PROSTITUTES HAVE AND ARE TARGETS FOR VIOLENCE.  So no relying on a sense of trust doesnt work here.

a year. It shouldnt be complicated to obtain a recent provider reference if your a hobbyist, that shouldnt be complicated or confusing,  
                     If we say yes he is safe and some gets murdered. We are now at fault for stating some one is safe, It isnt like "oh its not a big deal," It reall to me isnt something to be flaky about in my life.  

If i am giving a lady my word i have met them and lived to tell the story, You bet your ass i am gonna be ten times over certain I did in fact meet him and am not giving an ok for a thug, psycho path, cop or thief.  

 
    I actually had a guy pose as a man I had met his month and try to surpass screening through 5 women, He was claiming to be so n so alias. Giving excuses for why he cannot provide a number.

 
he was contacting me and many other ladies and basically we dont know what his motives are. Could be a drug addict that wants to hold a lady at gun point for a robbery, Maybe he needs his fix.
 Could just be some one that abducts women and stores em i the basement for ten years, Like that guy that was on the news months ago, he had like three inncocent women he abducted and chained in the basement, The neighbors said they seen him come in with bags of mcdonalds daily, The women were denied medical attention when sick and basicaly chained in a dark basement kept as sex slaves for him for years.  

 
              We dont live in a friendly safe world , and i fact the earliest dated records of serial killers date as far back as hundreds of years ago. I watched recently the movie on netflix on hh holmes, . It is just a fact of life we live amongst serial killers and more often than not they are actualy highly intellegent and people you may know.

 
   the h h holmes guy he designed and built a huge castle. He would hire different contractors so NO ONE knew the actual blue print of the lay out, He had some rooms hooked up to gas and with peepholes. He would watch guests slowly die from outside the rooms through a peephole, For pleasure.
    When they finaly caught him. They found sound proofed rooms where he had blood caked and soaked medical tables where he did his own warped experients and tortured people til death,.

One was a human stretching machine to see if he could make them into giants. He would actualy stretch the people and was basically doing all sorts of macabre torture and sick twisted things. The movie is fascinating and it for me i like to expose myself to the reality that is human nature.

It is very much a reality that a small amount population of humans are sociopathic killers. Then some are just on drugs and will rob .  

Whatever the reason, the guys and gals should screen and screen properly and not freely give thier word on a random phone number and phone number alone, Dont ever TRUST human kind for we have some the most sickest twisted killers walking among us and abducted women are discovered alive and dead or just ruined for life. Males and females.
    So i mean it isnt like a subject to be flaky on and laxidazical, You give another escort your word and she gets killed . that not somethin to joke about.

 
they still dont know who killed the single mother from a nearby town I live in, She was found tangled in lobster traps .
female bodies were discovered also in another neighboring town in a field. No culprit found yet, The single mums body was discovered in swampscott.

Then a yung lady in twenties corpse discovered in a field in Brockton.

i dont know about you but i live in a crime riddled major city and its just a reality for me.

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Which is why I do everything through P411 and their "okay" system.
Works great.

Many of my clients msg me through my assistant's more discreet address. They will email her through their business email address and give me other information to verify their identity. I usually know who they are before I meet them. I only see professional men, most have their companies and businesses listed.  
Don't get me wrong, I try to get referrals but it's a tedious and archaic system. One woman emailed me 9 days later... I mean, why bother?  Luckily, the client was wise and allowed my asst. to verify him through work.
I have horrific as well as hilarious stories in regards to referrals, but I'll spare you the details... I am a huge fan of P411 to say the least...

Dear Lila:
Not that you keep clients information after the date as a rule, but maybe you might take some notes regarding his demeanor and how he treated you.  These will be invaluable for personal reference and internal communication between providers.

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This is a good idea and I think I will do this as I'm getting burned too much by girls I haven't seen before.

I wish there were a "Johns" page I could put up a profile and have ladies rate it that I could use as a reference, but I'm not sure that it would be easy or risky to verify the chain depending on the info that had to be used.

eferences don't have to be hard.

As long as you are a frequent hobbyist (at least 1-2/year) or an active review writer, there shouldn't be a problem.

1. Fill out booking form
2. Provide reference (Helps if you write reviews or are a member of p411)
3. Message lady from the Handle you gave as reference to verify this is your account (can't tell you how many times guys have tried to pass themselves off as other members..lol)

We as providers need to know who is walking through our door and as a writer of reviews or poster we can usually get enough info about you through there.

I am a big fan of P411...Everyman should Join and get verified ,I understand not everyone is comfortable giving their information, but then again if so many others did it before you, why wouldn't it be OK for you??

P-411 is not only great because of the "OK" system, but as Providers we have a "Notes" section that is private and only seen to the provider who writes it.Whenever I give my client an "Ok" i also update the "Notes" section with anything I feel anyone would need to know about him. Whenever I'm asked about an "OK" I can look him up and give more details if asked.  

I also like the "Client Profile" because it gives us a glimpse into who they are and what they like =)