If you don't want to you don't have to. Just see girls who don't verify. There are plenty of them out there.  That being said, I'd love to know what's illegal about a woman asking to see your ID or trying to screen you...

OK, so no one knows your real name.  But guess what?  That isn't going to stop LE from entraping you, or a ROB taking advantage of you.

Guess who the gals are that don't care about verifying?  Very often it's LE (What do they care, they got guns.) and gals who attract LE, or worse.

So, if you want to hobby safely, use well reviewed gals who care enough about their safety to know who you are.

It is very rare to find any hobbyist who has had trouble with them, but there are plenty of sad stories from guys who saw others.

It's your call.

I've been hobbying 30 years, and I know which way I'm going.

I've been at this hobby for quite some time - over 20 years. I'd like to comment on the absurd concept that I'm going to show my ID or give out real information like my place of work or work phone number.

News flash - this is illegal. Imagine trying to score some weed and the dealer says "I need to see your ID for my safety." What a load.

Girls - you take the risk. Sorry, but you do. On top of that, you all use fake names. But I'm supposed to cough up my real info? Never gonna happen - and if you choose to show some provider your driver's license, use your credit card for scam date check site (which are all scams) or give some agency your work information, then you're totally insane.

So girls - stop it. You're not getting a single piece of my real info. If you want a safe job, be an accountant.

yes... and my identity is as sacred as the providers.... i shall stand my ground

So just politely say no.  You can do it.  So can she if and when you do.  Or are you contacting people who advertise or at least imply they will need it?

Let the market work.  If all the providers you want to see demand it, you'll have a problem.  If all of us refuse to provide it, the ladies will have a problem.

I can sympathize with both viewpoints, but what I think doesn't matter except to my own interactions.

But vent away; it's good for the sinuses.

Simple answer. Move Along!  
If you don't want to give them that information, move on to another lady! If you have been doing this for 20 years you should have no problem being verified in other ways. Most ladies will tell you on their websites or ads what they require for verification, and if they require something you don't want to give, then don't contact them!

Yes the ladies are taking a risk, but they don't have to take a bigger risk than they are comfortable with. They can refuse to see you. And you can refuse to see them. I don't see a problem here.

Personally I have no problem showing a provider my ID, as I have nothing to hide. However I have never been asked for id or any personal information by a provider.

You're hot! I've always dug you, lol!

I'll tell you anything you wanna know!

There is greater chance of a man causing a provider harm than the other way around. OR if a chick does want to set you up to be beatup by her pimp or rob you she is not going to take the time to get any info out of you...she doesn't care. As someone has already said. If I care about MY safety then I'm going to care about yours as well. You may not know my real name but you'll know my phone number and where I live(I do incall at my house) And just FYI Cassandra is my real first name. Cassandra Pink is not my real full name however.

Good luck seeing girls who don't screen, there may be some good ones but overall they are scammers,liars, and robbers. Do you not READ all the whiney board posts about newbie or even experienced hobbyists who see unreviewed gals who don't screen then are either robbed or have a horrible time? And date-check and other verification sites are NOT scams. I check clients out all the time on them and vice versa. I can see who has given himan "ok" and contact the provider.

If we go by your logic "If you want a safe job, be an accountant." then why do firemen and police officers take precautions? Why riggarous training for firefighters and states spending money on expensive gear? Let any 60year old 400lb person run buck-naked into a fire and save your ass. good luck with that!

Just because my job entails meeting strangers doesn't mean I need to subject myself to violence or rip offs. A drug deal is simple, money in one hand drugs in the other....it takes two seconds.Escorting is not that easy.

If you don't want to give any information to a provider then don't. But don't you dare come bitching and moaning on the boards when something bad happens. There's ways to prevent it and you don't want to.

Telephone pole repairs are dangerous too, should the workers just accept that and not put on a harness?
Hell, sex is risky too.  Just accept that and not use condoms?
Your logic fails me.

It's risky, so we should just invite Ted Bundy or registered sex offenders over if they call?  Of course we use fake names.  How about you spend the time and effort to create your persona and livlihood under a pseudonym, and have a couple dozen reviews of satisfied customers who can attest to your personality and character - then I'll think we're on somewhat even footing, and consider meeting you based on your alias.  (*Cough! Cough!* references.)  You guys screen every time you research a provider, but for some reason we shouldn't ask anything about you?

If you have been doing this for over 20 years obviously you are not having issues finding providers to see.  So what's your point?  You're never going to change a ladies mind on what she needs to feel safe, and it's not likely that anyone is trying to change yours.  If you don't want to screen, don't contact providers who screen.

Wow.  That's just much too simple of a solution, eh?

Sorry OP, I don't agree. But then again, I don't give a fuck what the lady knows about me. Well, that's a lie. I won't give her my MOM'S phone number, for fuck sakes. Unless of course they meet and dig each other, lol!

There's quite a few ladies on these boards that know my name, my cell and home numbers, where I work, and been to my house. Shit, a few even stayed the weekend.

And you know what? Same on this end. I know their names, their private numbers, where they live, shit, even know some of their kids' names and talked with some of them on the phone.

I feel comfortable with them. And I know they do with me.

If I go to Vegas tomorrow for instance, out of the blue, and call up a lady or two or..., even ones I haven't met yet but talked with on here, email or phone and said 'Hey! I'm coming in. Whatcha doin' tomorrow?' It'd be a safe bet they'd say 'YOU!'

What I'm getting at is, I made them comfortable with me from the get-go. I'm not married, most people in my civie life know I see providers anyway, so it wouldn't be a surprise if I got in some sort of trouble because of, Godforbid.

I'm just not that squeemish when it comes to letting a lady know who I am, sorry. Must be one of the insane ones.

Fuck, I think it's funny when they can't believe I'm as old as I say I am and want to see my ID.

I know what you're gonna say. Trust me. They were already told by other ladies what I look like and if I don't have a drink in my hand there's something SERIOUSLY wrong with this equation...!

BTW, halfway thru my fourth at the conclusion of this post, lol!

But the OP does need a drink.

I think I will try to create a fake identity with this name: Elvis Pres Lee.  
At least the last name sounds a bit Asian lol

What an amazing ego:  SHE should take ALL the risk?  Why?  Because YOU think that is the way the world should be?  Is she an expendable sub-human?

If this came from a newbie I could at least understand it, but from a 20 year vet?!?  What gives, do you not have references?  I can count the number of times I have given personal data to a lady in the last 20 years on one hand.  Actually, on one thumb.  And it was my choice.  If you are not comfortable with giving out personal info, see ladies who will take your references instead.  And if you DO use references instead of personal data, than WHAT REASON DO YOU HAVE FOR YOUR RANT????

What came to mind after reading your post:  you DO NOT HAVE good references so ladies are asking for your personal info.  WHY would a 20 year vet not have good references?

I have to agree with those that say why are you up in arms about this?  You don't have to see ladies that want the kind of info you don't want to give. 20 years...things change. Today, many ladies ask for personal info to verify potential clients. On the other hand there are many that don't, they require references instead. One provider said as much in a recent discussion on this topic. Seems like you would have references, so seeing a provider shouldn't be a problem.

There are so many choices out there you can find ladies you want to see and they will see you sans personal info. There are so many clients out there that providers can see clients that will provide the info they require for screening. There is enough for everybody using whatever method suits them.

I will say, those telling you to go ahead and see ladies that don't screen are assuming facts not in evidence. You didn't say she shouldn't screen but that she shouldn't ask you for personal info.                (Cautiously, I assume you don't object to all screening and that your desire is for both you and the lady to be safe.) There are other ways to check you out so the lady can feel reasonably confident that you won't be a problem for them.

So...we are back to the question: Why all the fuss? Don't see ladies that want your personal info. Problem solved. If this issue hadn't been discussed ad nauseum already then asking a simple why question about ladies wanting the info and clients being willing to give it would make sense.
But jiminey christmas...give it a rest.
My Two Cents...

Dug this up on the newbie board

See how the Ladies and mangina come to the defense ot the providing side? FTS! Everyones safety is an issue!

Screening is always an arduous conversation. Any sane companion can easily see your point of view, but you need to recognize ours as well. Each companion is an individual, as such they have their own comfort zone. Your choice is to work within that comfort zone or not, its that simple.

Aside from that you may be doing a great disservice to your fellow hobbyists. You claim to have 20 in the hobby. As such you personally should have no problem getting references to assist in your screening. But what about the fresh today guy? The guy who has no references, no background, no reviews no nothing. Just how do you propose he safely go down the path? Do you propose he only see companions who have no screening methods. If not can you tell us how to screen a potential client that has no history without some personal information?

John, in all honesty your post is very one sided. Not that I mind or that it will change my thoughts. It just goes to show that all your thinking about is you. You don't think about the companion, which is obvious by your retort about being an accountant. Thats ok because its not your job to think about her, its HER job to think about her. You don't think about the new guy. And thats ok its not your job to think of him its HIS job. You see you have a resources that neither we nor the new guy have. You have a back channel to the companions prior clients and you have a history of some of our encounters. Unlike a guy who has never reviewed a companion or joined a verification site, he has NOTHING.

I have a ridged screening process, look me up and read my site. Its not a fit for everyone, it may not even be a fit for most but its my comfort zone. In fact I am betting it makes you cringe. If you don't feel comfortable then simply walk away. I respect your position, I just cant work within your parameters unless I can screen. Your entitled to hobby in any form or fashion that makes you happy and comfortable, but so is the companion. To tell us what we can or cant do is not going to work. But perhaps you have an idea or method we have just not figured out. Perhaps you could shed some light on the correct way to screen.

Your doing just fine ranting about what you perceive as an issue, how about stepping up to the plate and tell us how to solve it.

Not that you are required, on any level at all, to give a shit, one way or the other, about the safety of the hookers you pay to fuck.  I know. You want what you want when you want it.

I get it.  Your money. Your time. Your privacy. Your safety.  Your rules.

You are right. This IS illegal. So, if you want to walk into a woman's private space with nothing more than your good looks and charm to identify you, …howabout you choose to see ladies that don’t screen anyone ever---and, along with that,  take your chances that the last guy she did not screen was not one of the boys in blue?

And leave the rest of us to our own silly boundaries.

Or…hey….you can always go fuck yourself with no screening requirements.

And he was shit all over on that one, too.  Including by me.  I've used p411 to set up innumerable successful dates.  Best screening site out there.  This guy is full of crap/has an agenda/has no cred.

I'm not a fan of screening or verification but do it anyway, and no one forced me.

Then again I have no one to hide from or lie too.

I remember that thread. He came out of left field with that one. I don't use P411 but with all that goes on about it here everyday there is no way his comment makes any sense.

Your name and identity, family, job, blah, blah, blah.. are any less worthy and valuable then mine or hers..

Yes, Ladies in this business take a risk of losing our kids, jobs, Husbands, BFs, etc, etc,
add to that. You are twice my size and strength. If you wanted to hurt me, You could very easily...

I am disgusted by your arrogance..
The very least you could do is trust me with your name.
I let you into my home, and put my life in your hands in more ways then one and this is your best excuse! Your attitude really shows your lack of respect for the ladeis and is a clear indication of the company you prefer to keep. Those that are afraid to call you out and those that are you percieve to be beneath you...

I'm apparently an exceptional scoundrel. I have more than 5 references in the last calendar year, member of verification sites, and have posted a few reviews on TER in the past 12 months...

OP did rant while offering no solution. The guy certainly needs a drink.

Fortunately, your screening method is a lot tougher to pass so I probably can't to use my fake name: Elvis Pres Lee.
lmao

sounds like a total noob if you ask me.

If your an exceptional scoundrel, just show me your personal chop sticks and promise me some Sushi, but the sideburns may make me laugh.

I don't mind wielding my 19 inch chop stick or my eggroll.... as long as it isn't hovering around a decomposing sushi but rather a clean one that just came out of the shower. lol  

because I tend to write short ones
but ramble on to longer ones as I start getting too drunk

seems like you do too. lol

Reagan I respect you a great deal, at least now my first thoughts of you have been proven wrong. LOL I am willing to put out a great deal of personal information out, full name, hobby and real phone number, any references the provider requires, my work info, my P411 info, show id, send a photo, and hell I will even let you talk to my wife.

But even if I was coming to Phoenix and our schedules aligned, I would never get to see you. I am unwilling to unwilling to give out my review board handles until I meet the lady and you require them of those that have them before you meet them. I respect you choice on the matter and I think you respect mine. I still do not understand your choice in the matter, yet I respect it. As for my unwillingness to provide my handles I had issues in the past including one with a top 100 lady and lets leave it at that.

I do see why some other guys are afraid of screening with the public blacklists, some providers being less then honorable and outing and/or blackmailing their clients, and LE. I get it. He should see ladies that are willing to see him with what he will provide. Some ladies are fine with just reference and some do not screen at all.

Thing is he should learn accept that he is limiting his choices, just as I am with you. Each of us have our own risk tolerances and we should respect those differences even if it means it limits our choices. The OP needs to learn to respect the choices other make in order to protect themselves even if they don't allow him to see them with the information he is willing to put forth.

This is a dangerous game on both side if the envelope. Everyone should screen everyone, but I understand why some wish not to be screened.

I also respect the choice not to screen and see those that don't screen, just know sooner or later something bad will happen, like I was robbed, my wife raped, robbed, dumped in the dessert and left to die, and a former provider I am closed to lost her child after a bust because of lack of screening.

Seeing those those that don't screen is it's own risk. I hope the OP realizes this. Anyone that will not protect themselves will not protect you. That is just the way it is. I see no way of keeping everone safe without screening. If the OP has I would love to hear it.

Internet back-ground checks are not news to anyone. The ladies are already using them to screen us in many cases!  The point of screening on the provider's part is her safety when scheduling an appointment with a guy she doesn't know.  

It's really not a false sense of security.  At this stage of the game everyone knows what information is out there.  The question is why would a guy who has everything to lose-job, family etc-go snooping around in a provider's back ground and risk prosecution? The answer is smart guys won't.

I cant disagree with a word you said. We all have our comfort zones, for multiple reasons.

As for blacklists I am at a quandary. I have never blacklisted anyone, and hope that I would never have a reason to do so. The public Blacklists should be abolished, its that simple. Blacklists should exists in the hobby community and should be locked behind closed doors. If a companion wont pay for access then thats her own prerogative. Blacklists should be used for what they are intended, serious offenses. Blacklisting someone for a review, or a NCNS is a heinous action. Physical harm, endangering the welfare and safety of the companion, rape and or robs, those are the only reasons to blacklist someone in my opinion. Those people need to be noted.

I respect both your position and choice in the matter.

Are you implying I would be anything but...........? How droll.

It seems we are agreeing a lot today. Private provider only blacklists fill a need and only serious offenders should be put on them. Ladies need to protect themselves and provider only blacklists are an important key to that protection. The public ones need to go though. They are a threat to providers and hobbyists alike. They are one of the reason some guys will not screen with real information.

are, PERIOD, EVER, NO EXCEPTIONS!  No need to argue, you do your thing and I will do mine.  Avoid those that screen and you will be fine.

HOWEVER do not presume for one minute you have the right to see whoever you choose just because you have some green.  Like any other profession legal or not we still have every right to have any rule we see fit, and you have no right to push us to any other direction.  

Stick to the non-screener, those are the only ones you deserve, and YOU STOP IT.  Just because you are older doesn't mean you aren't a punk!

said P411 was a big scam and provided no other explanation of why he thinks this way.Even after many guys said their input that P411 has helped them out incredibly with appointment setting.They asked why he thought this way no answer from him no surprise there!He claims to been  hobbying 25yrs.He sounds very bitter if he sees ladies who do not screen good for him but do not impose your rationale on every other guy.Now he is comparing ladys safety to buying a nickel bag on the corner good comparison.NOT!
The bottom line is ladys ask for what they need to be comfortable if you do not like go with someone who does not.Don't get on your soapbox about what ladys should or should not do it is not your business.Stop trying to tell ladys about their business that you have no clue about P411 or anything else that you post on the newbie and GB

None of the ladies I met through TER have ever abused (to the best of my knowledge) any info I have shared in connection with screening.  I do my best to cooperate and accommodate them...maybe that's why most of the ladies I've contacted are more than willing set up an appointment, and it's easy to see them subsequently.  In short, being a gentleman is always the way to go...  

if you have been in this game for 20 yrs you must have geat references, plenty of well known well reviewed Ladies who will verify you. Why the need to go further?
refs from usually 2 well known and respected Ladies should get you in the door with most Ladies.
I cant speak for anyone else but after 20yrs playin here you must be all set in the refs department.

Unless of course that anger you displayed
in your original post comes across when contacting the Ladies.

Where did I say that I was in favor of UNreasonable verification?  We are all grown ups here and we all have our personal comfort levels with what info we are willing to give out.  The OP, which is what I was responding to, mentioned nothing about DNA testing.  His issue appears to be with basic screening info.

Well said!  

I also ask what occupation they are in!  Not employer info, just the occupation.  My real job is in a predominately male industry.  I would hate for us to know each other in our civi life!  Yes, it has happened, that I was contacted by people I know in my real world.  

And here's another thought; what if for some reason, a relative of yours provides and you contact her and wont give your real name?  How mortified will you two be, if she opens the door?  

I'm glad hobbyist are gentlemen and know that well reviewed providers are just a descrete as they are.


Always giving more than my $.02,
Laina

no joke here... 'nuff said.

If you are a member of RS2K, DC or Preferred 411 with a couple of providers who can vouch for you then, no I don't believe you should have to show your ID but if you have noone to vouch for you, then personal information needs to be retrieved to make sure you are not LE.  But seeing as you have been a hobbyist for 20 years, I'm sure you have many girls who will vouch for you.  So, why are you so snarky seeing that you have so many references from your many years.  The safety dance shouldn't even effect you and why are you being mean and telling us girls that our jobs are basically supposed to be dangerous and just to accept it.  I don't think anyone should just not try and watch her own ass, especially with all of the stings and busts LE is so fond of doing and also, did you not hear of the poor mother of five in Chicago who was brutally stabbed to death?  I'm no accountant but lack of common sense + a meanie attitude = no fun for anyone.  You should stick with the BackPage girls who, as I hear it, are extremely lax in their screening...

without giving DNA sequencing?

Some providers are ludicrous and I do stay away. No advise needed.

Providers may think one cannot find their real names and what not bu you can. So the false sense security is prevalent on both sides.

Not going to disclose "How" on a piblic board!

want to know who you REALLY are. Many of these ladies have the resources to do that, and if they want to put you on that godamned blacklist, trust me, they will,,, along with make of car AND license plate number. Sorry to burst your bubble .

Of course you could always rent a car for every encounter, but who wants to go to all that trouble.

But fuck yeah, this guy's a deal.

I agree with inicky. Either he don't know dick or he's up to something.

I haven't used p411 in quite a while, but when I did I had more 'OKs' there than I have whitelists here. It was very easy to book with a lady cuz I was verified on there.

If you don't want to be screened, it's because you have more to lose playing than you're willing to risk by providing playmates with info necessary for their security. It's much safer at the local V.F.W. on Saturday nights.