I have run into the same thing in my business career and when I don't get a project I get angry. But I don't tell the potential client they wasted my time or anything negative. And some of these "lost" projects have been worth millions. Just chalk it up to the cost of doing business. And, some of those rejections have turned into business at a later date.. I think the problem is with mental state of some providers. I won't get into a discourse of my theory because it is just going to be a waste to time. lol
i almost get a chuckle when some lady, whom i don't wind up meeting, that i might have exchanged 5 or 6 texts with blasts me with messages later on telling me how i "wasted her time" ... gosh lets see .. even 10 texts how long can that take ... 3 minutes ?
of course i know she is just soooo disappointed in meeting this middle aged, thinning hair, needs to lose 15 lbs guy 
i have had a series of in-person client meetings, sometimes have to travel for them. many hours putting together proposals, and then after a year .. client says no.
so welcome to the world of sales. and get over your GPS ( experienced guys know what that means : )
I mean this in the nicest way possible.. but if this is happening to you regularly enough to post about it, you might want to do some self reflecting. Are you reaching out to providers without reading their info? Myself and other sw deal with this daily - suitor reaches out to ask about screening, incall location, rates, hours, etc.. all of which are already available to him. After several dragged out texts/emails they complain or “pass”. Evidently it IS a waste of both our time. I’m not one to send snarky communication though.. annoying clients are part of any job. I just block them. Btw using the term GPS while you’re balding and need to lose weight (you said it, not me) is certainly interesting!
it happens more in Vegas than anywhere else .. but hey any lady in Vegas has to know for every guy there are a dozen girls... so toughen up . its a very competitive market. besides how many times in vegas guys go out and either get drunk or wind up with a dancer for the night
GPS .... and hey i certainly don't think i have GWS (golden wallet syndrome)
and i might contact someone and exchange a few texts and mention i am coming to town but i never make a specific date and then flake .. that is something completely different
GPS typically applies to sellers who think too highly of themselves and have an inflated ego.
A person with GPS will rarely if ever admit to a physical trait that is unfavorable. Because - see the definition of GPS.
I don't get this comparison at all. Him admitting to be balding and have extra weight have absolutely nothing to do with GPS as a term nor does it somehow prevent him from using that term.
GPS is a negative term, so let’s not pretend like it wasn’t meant to insult ladies of the industry. It was coined by men who don’t respect sworkers. No one has the right to put on a value on someone else’s body, prices, or autonomy whether you think they’re unfavorable or not. I have a deep adoration for clients who participate in this hobby while maintaining respect for us.
My point was, him admitting to not being favorable is quite rich to tell someone they’re not either — the pot calling the kettle black. Considering a good percentage of my clients fit his looks description I don’t see it as a negative thing, but the GPS comment was unnecessary.
Seems like you are more concerned with the "negative" connotation of the term than the actual meaning.
Again, GPS means inflated ego and attitude. Lack of humility.
Anyone who can make a joke about their own subpar appearance, generally has *some* humility.
So, no - its not pot calling the kettle black. That would be someone who thinks they are prime George Clooney and Brad Pitt and worlds greatest monger calling out GPS. Then yes I would agree.
Someone with humility who knows they aren't good looking and don't act like it, calling out GPS isn't the pot calling the kettle black. That's not how it works...
I’m not going to address his looks or semantics again.. bc honestly who cares lol? Those were his descriptive words, not mine.
I’ve seen the term used by hobbyists in many forms (and none involved an issue with verbiage on her ads, or actual interaction with the provider to fairly assess her attitude). That’s why I associate it as a negative connotation and lack of respect for sworkers. Upon re-reading the original post the comment was made separately, and wasnt clear. You could be right in this case, but I still found it odd when the original post also didn’t specify what he’s doing to continuously be called a time waster. It might be a variation of things or a series of miscommunication. Nonetheless, self reflection is never a bad thing for both parties. I 100% agree the provider should’ve kept it professional.
When is the last time a woman admitted she had GPS?
BTW, GPS is not limited to providers; many civvies also have GPS. It's not that men "put a value" on women, it's that some women think their shit doesn't stink. To emphasize what rocket said: "GPS means inflated ego and attitude. Lack of humility."
Even if you have ALL the info on a website, they still don't see it!
I reached out to a provider who's ad said she was in Los Angeles. Her ad said she prefers calls and not to text. So, I called her. I was 100% ready to see her. She then tells me she's in the Valley, and it's like an hour and a half drive in traffic. I tell her that's not Los Angeles and because of the distance won't work with my schedule. She freaked out, called me a fucker, and said I wasted her time, before hanging up on me. Then, and this is the best part, she calls me back and apologizes for being so harsh and asked if there is a day I can make it work. I tell her I prefer not to travel that far and should she ever be in proper LA I would love to see her. She responds, "Ugh, fucking time waster" and hangs up. Needless to say, even if she is in proper LA, I no longer want to see her.
The first call took less than two minutes. I got right to the point. I had no questions or concerns until she surprised me with her location. The location which was not mentioned in her ad. If it was, I would not have called her. But I'm the time waster.
Ie, if someone is listed in Ontario they are limited to whoever is looking to monger in Ontario
But if they are in LA, that means anyone looking at LA and around (and LA is vast) will notice the ad. And those who cannot make it, you can just call them time wasters. Genius.
Have time to write texts about that, but text exchange is somehow a waste.
Clients can and do shop around. If simple inquiry is treated like some kind of binding agreement, then we have a problem.
Vibes & intuition means a lot to me. I would rather know that we’re on the same page. If it feels, like pulling teeth going back and forth the session is not needed. It’s okay not to vibe with everyone.
I don’t utilize some sites because many people have been blacklisted for being time wasters. I have a zero tolerance policy for time wasters. I block people for continuously reaching out with nothing I require to take you seriously it’s rude.
I advertise in 3 cities because I cater to more, than one. I always have and always will. It’s a 1 hr flight, or a 5 hr drive. I don’t mind traveling to make a new friend. Every provider is different. Some days are better, than others. Reading the providers website always is a great idea.
I know some women want everything wrapped up in one or two exchanges but clients are human and sometimes that is impossible. On the flip side, if you (plural) cant get a date lined up in ten back and forth communications, something about that strikes me as excessive, possibly very much so.
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With all that said, I don't see the need for her to disparage you. A true professional, at some point, just says she doesn't think she is compatible with you any longer, if she feels the process is taking too long. It doesn't mean she has "GPS" if she does so. She could just be having a bad day, be burnt out or giving that particular client the truth as she sees it. Remember, they are human too.
It's hard to set a firm rule for this. No doubt there are some ladies here who would brush off a few text exchanges as the cost of doing business. Not everything is spelled out on every lady's website (I recently reached out to a lady who didn't even have her fee on her personal site, and 2 different fees on 2 different ad sites). And even if it is and a player accidentally misses a detail, so what.
OTOH, I reached out to a lady some time ago, and--post verification and lots of texting--she wanted a long phone conversation. Somewhere towards the end of the conversation it came up that I am AA. She then told me she wouldn't see me. I didn't call her names, I didn't accuse her of wasting my time, and I didn't hang up on her. I thanked her for her time and moved on.
No salesman closes every deal.
If this provider does not see black gentleman or guys under 30 or whatever that should be on her website. So yes, she was wasting your time. If a provider has very specific requirements (screening, deposits, etc.) that should be on her website as well otherwise yes, she is wasting your time. I personally think rates should be on her website, some providers disagree about posting rates. I personally think a client should be able to get all the basic information needed from a provider's website (looks, age, location, rates, availability, where to find reviews) so an appointment can be booked in 3 message exchanges or less.
But I also live in the real world and I know stuff happens.
I know you and the other ladies posting here are professional and courteous and thoughtful. And for that (and for the raunchy sex of course) I am thankful. But not everyone is like that. The best I can do is roll with the punches.
I have run into the same thing in my business career and when I don't get a project I get angry. But I don't tell the potential client they wasted my time or anything negative. And some of these "lost" projects have been worth millions. Just chalk it up to the cost of doing business. And, some of those rejections have turned into business at a later date.. I think the problem is with mental state of some providers. I won't get into a discourse of my theory because it is just going to be a waste to time. lol
Can you give a bit more info as to why the date was not set up after 5 or 6 texts?
If after the second or third message I don't have all the information I require to set up a date (usually screening information!) I let the gent know that without that information I am just no longer going to be responding to his messages. Not an excuse for her to be rude to you, but if you contact a Dairy Queen 5 or 6 times wanting them to make you a tiramisu 3 tier cake when they told you every time they only make ice cream cakes then yes, you would be wasting their time, even if it only took them less than a minute to respond to you.
That is not the point that NTL was making. I don't think NTL considers himself a time waster at all and based on his posts I strongly doubt he is. Moreover, 5-6 texts is not a huge number of texts even it occurs over a sizeable time period. The point he was making is that some providers exhibit GPS and he is entirely correct about that.
Unless the OP clarifies how the texts transpired, how long of a time period we are talking about, and what exactly was said we all are just speculating. Are there providers that are bitches? Yep!!! Are there clients that are time wasters? Yep! Without more information none of us are going to know for sure what went down for him to be called a time waster by this provider.
My understanding - and I might be wrong but given how the post was phrased that's how I understood it - is that he was the one who ultimately declined to see the provider after talking to her for these five-six texts.
Maybe?
I can see from his wording how it could be interpreted that way. It is hard to say for sure without more info.
Sounds like you are fucking around and wasting their time. These gals dont want to chit chat with you buddy.
Most of the time this is the information that we need:
Services
Location (Possibly with cross streets)
Rates.
Most of the time wasted is the provider not tell us the services that they offer! This requires multiple back and forth cryptic emails of, RBGFE?, bb-j, etc!
Just tell us the services and if they match what we want we could save us both a lot of time!
OK, the problem is we can't. This job is illegal. Unless I have met you at least one time I will not give any sexual information of services provided. And this goes for clients as well, you really should not be asking unless you for 100% are sure this is in fact a provider. You can legally pay for someone's time only. I can legally sell my time only. At this point the majority of stings are focused on clients but that does not mean providers are completely exempt from not being a target.
I understand the need for discretion. Directly asking and answering is not something many are comfortable with for the reasons you mention. TER can obviously help answer some of these questions if a provider is on TER. But let's say she is not. Is there a coded way these concerns can be addressed that provides comfort for both the provider wanting discretion and the client wanting to make sure something that's important is on the menu?
I know it's not perfect and some here don't consider P411 to be adequate screening but it's still better than nothing.
With me the answer is no. If guys ever hint I always tell them that I have multiple reviews on this site as well as other review sites and to read them to get a feel for the services I provide. I always tell guys that when you first get here I like to chit chat for 5-10 minutes to get to know each other and what you would like to explore. Unfortunately LE will use the tactic of discussing specific sex acts and $$, so not discussing services or $$ should also be a green flag for clients that this is probably very likely a real provider and you are not going to have your ugly mug plastered on the internet being caught in a sex trafficking sting. (No, no one was trafficked. But the populous like to read that and think their tax payer dollars funding a sting helped rescue "victims" from sex crazed perverts, even though that is completely false). Until sex work is decriminalized I don't know a better solution.
For this reason, I rarely TOFTT. Your answer works because you have reviews. I would never need to ask you such questions. But for someone without reviews it’s a real gamble. I have always respected the unwritten rule of not asking. But without reviews it’s gone both ways. It’s a risk I have taken, but don’t really like to take. TBH, I would like to TOFTT more if there was a way around this issue. There have been plenty of times where I have seen enough to feel comfortable it’s not a scam. But I get hung up on what type of experience it will be.
I agree. There are providers that do not want reviews. That is obviously up to them and how they run their business, but they risk not getting clients such as yourself that are not going to chance it. And some of these gals that do not want reviews have very high rates that most gents cannot afford to just throw away. I am open and honest about what I do but there are providers that have another job or their family does not know so they want more discretion. In those situations I honestly don't know how best to navigate.
we don’t tell you what services we offer because it’s incriminating. some guys also reach out asking specifics as a way to get free jack off material.
If not to read the reviews and know what services are offered?🤔🤦🏻♀️
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If someone is choosing ladies that aren't reviewed (here or elsewhere) then they KNOW they're in the TOFTT territory and ALL bets are off... which means a guy doesn't have a leg to stand on when bitching about a lack of professionalism from an unknown, random person. I get that some folks are all about the thrill of the hunt, or sticking their flag in undiscovered territory but give me a break with the whining about that hidden gem not behaving by the industry standards expected of experienced professionals.
Just piggybacking off the other ladies. It’s not a matter of us purposely withholding info about services to waste anyone’s time, it’s a matter of P4P being illegal in the u.s. - writing a play-by-play is incriminating af (for both the provider and you). Also throw in the fact some providers/clients don’t screen.. LE would have a field day with that. In addition to fantasy bookers who ask solely for spank-bank with no intention of booking. It’s best to do your research on them, read between the lines, or be a gentleman and wait until your booking.
Basically that is double that---10 or 12 texts....if a fella can't get to it in a text or two and a Thank You he is definitely a time waster ...
those events have mostly happened with i was to be traveling .. most often to vegas .. and typically a few weeks in advance and seeing what lets say, options, were available. after that initial contact i might not contact again for whatever reason.
in my perception this is different than 5 or 6 texts with a local lady talking about the next day and then disappearing without an explanation, that would be rude.
sometimes its with someone who has been reviewed sometimes not. i think we should make official the new
abbreviation GWS ... golden wallet syndrome about men who think their wallet is thicker than it really is
OK, in your OP you made it sound like you were talking about a situation with one provider in particular that called you a "time waster".
And if we are all on the same page in regards to discussing "options", multiple providers, including myself, said that is a no go for legal reasons.
And I am going to go out on a limb and assume that GWS means you were trying to negotiate the rate? Not something I ever entertain, but I do have that on my website. Vegas is a different animal when it comes to sex work though. Someone that works in that market would have to provide more info as to what is OK there and what is not acceptable for that area.
by GWS i meant guys who think too highly of themselves .... i.e. think they should only pay so much .... or similar thoughts .. yeah i guess also might apply to guys who think their $300 should get them a $800 lady. .. in general i was just making fun of those who think too highly of themselves just as guys might say a lady has GPS.
i respect a high donation request .. i can't afford that but then again i cant afford a Maybach either and you don't see me expressing disrespect to MB
OK, so what happened again??? LOL
I am still not understanding what actually transpired for this provider to call you a time waster and what was discussed in the 5-6 text messages.
ok so this has happened before or similar .. i contact someone in a town i will be in say in next 30 days .. we exchange maybe 5 or 6 brief texts to establish contact and ensure on same page ... i say ok will touch base when its closer ....
but my trip winds up with someone else or nobody sometimes... i contact the lady maybe a month or several months later to see if we might try again .. and thats when i get the time waster comment ..
well if her time is so valuable if 3 or 4 minutes writing a couple texts puts a dent then imagine she must be $$$$$$ an hour to actually meet !
back to my and others comments about the world of sales. the amount of time a worthwhile lady puts in vs reward is by far the highest ratio of any sales professional i know.
I no longer publicly list my phone number and only share it after screening and confirmation is complete and I've received a deposit. It's completely reasonable for a companion to be frustrated in a situation where it seems like games are being played.
Personally, I absolutely would not have responded by going off on a potential client. What I would have done is just ignore and block. But I'm sure there are some "hobbyists" out there that would still insist that a provider is a complete bitch for blocking them instead of indulging in an inane back and forth correspondence that transpired over dozens of messages.
The OP said he exchanged 5-6 texts (later used the example of 10 texts = 3 minutes total, perhaps).
If she advertised for LA area (a big area), then during the texts reveals she's 1.5 hours away from him, then I don't see an issue with him saying "I really wasn't looking for drive that far, but thank you". If then she flips her shit and complains about wasting her time, then, well, I wouldn't talk to her further.
I would never treat anyone that way, and she'd be on my 'do not call again' list.
There's a lot of reading between the lines here, but that's the way I read it.
Oh wait, I’m the one who chose to read this whole thread…
I guess it depends on how far the process went whether I'd consider it time-wasting.
That said, it's bad business sense to lash out at a potential client in any business just because they didn't contract your services.
From my experience if the potential client is serious the appointment set up will take 2-3 texts max. When I say serious it means he is respectful enough to send over the information required for screening before asking Any questions. Also no questions are needed when the potential client is respectful of your time and reads your website and reviews))
fYI: 10 texts take way longer than just a few minutes if you have 50 or more of these type of potential clients text you Per day. Providers do not get payed to chat on the phone(at least I don’t). Also to take in to consideration most providers have other careers/jobs/kids/spouces/boyfriends. That’s just my experience/opinion
There is a vast difference between asking a provider one question for clarification purposes and on the other hand peppering her with 4 or 5 separate texts asking numerous others. Very, very few women have every question I might need answered on their ad or website. In fact the number may be zero.
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Now that’s not to say I ask questions with every girl I contact, as I don’t, and this comes into play more with touring women than locals I must concede.
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For me personally, I wouldn’t send all my verification info in the first contact if I did have a simple quick question. I don’t ever remember any provider having an issue with that but like I said, if it were to continue I would certainly understand why a provider would label that gent a time waster and tell him they are not compatible.
A single text such as, " I will be in Las Vegas March 5th through 7th. Will you be in town and are you accepting appointments then?" I reply , "Yes, I am in town and have availability. Please book through my site."
Maybe a quick follow up such as, "Can you provide an incall?" Or "Are you open to ___" (duos, couples, AA, 22yr olds, whatever}
After that, the next correspondence should be the booking form.
A third text sets off red flags and my defenses kicks in. What started as a cheery exchange is now becoming suspicious as being a timewaster.
I think a good way to avoid bad form is to ask anything you need to make your decision in the first text. Once answered to your satisfaction you can start booking.
We often cant get every bit of info we need from your (plural) website or ads as no one has the time or space to conceive of every single query a guy may have, so asking for some clarification in the initial contact is better than a miscommunication. Most providers handle this very well. If they get a sense the client is sincere, they wont have an issue with a question or two first before verification is given. But yes, repeated questions spread out over multiple texts starts to raise yellow then major red flags. Good post!
If you dont plan on seeing the lady, dont message them. Its that simple.
There are gals ive seen since the early 00s. I have helped some of them during trying times, i would think they may do the same if shoe was on other foot. I consider one or two of them to be a legit friend.
That being said, they only hear from me when i have needs and mobey ready to hand over. I wouldnt dream of playing the "hi how are you, been awhile, etc". Its just wasting their time when it comes down to it