When I leave, there will be no need to post a formal announcement about it...that's the part that makes people laugh when you come back. Simply go away, pull your site and reviews...the end.

If you come back, contact Admin to list you again, and I am sure once the posts start coming people will realize you're back. A lot of ladies use the retirement thing as somewhat of a marketing ploy to get everyone to see them...then in 2 months they are back, and never had the intention of leaving. They just needed business, so they figured if they said it was the last chance to see them, guys would line up...seems to work ha ha. That's why you see the very same girls doing this shit 3 times a year, and why the guys mock anyone who does it now and is serious about it.

I can probably swing a "Beltin' Melton" bobble head as well...and (in poor taste) a Carlos May replica thumb!

Yea...can't touch those ads...sacred territory.

Next time do what I do...start the thread on the Chicago discussion board.  Never fails to bring out those WK's and her hooker pals to argue that "she really is missed".

If some of these gals had a "real" nickel for every one of their retirements...heck, they could really retire.

I am now in a committed relationship..........with someone who isn't a cow.

Politely let her know you have stopped hobbying as much and to please not text you or email you, that you will advise her on when you have funds available to see her.

Everyone gains weight from time to time, and it is possible she may loose it and you will want her again. this is a good way to not burn your bridges.

kindly.

Certainly no point in just being mean.

After that, unfortunately, there really is no good way to tell a woman you don't want to have sex with her because you think she's too fat.

OTOH, it is in slightly bad form for an escort to actively, repeatedly, "solicit" customers.  I would suggest a simple but very clear, very polite, neutral response to her that you would prefer she did not continue to proactively contact you. That may not soften the blow that much. But, it is fair. And, she will get the idea.

I think it speaks well of your character that you're concerned about not hurting her feelings.

I got a text message from a provider who had retired about 1 yr ago and was now returning back to work. I quickly set up an appointment and headed off to her incall location. I was shocked at the amount of weight she had added on. BBW just don't do it for me, but I went on with the session, vowing in my mind never to return. Lately I've been receiving weekly text messages from her informing me that she's available and would love to see me.

What's the best way to tell her, I'm not interested, without hurting her feelings?

I used to see her regularly about 2-3 times a month before her retirement. I've tried ignoring her messages but she keeps sending 'em. Ladies what's the best/humane way to deal with this problem?

you don't just go fuck pumpkins. It would be a lot less expensive. And you wouldn't have to keep defending your position that living human women are little more than a hole to plug.

but increase your visits. fuck her 7 times a day,until she loses the weight! See the post below about the very large lady's weight loss plan!

It must work if your friend was thin when she was providing and now she gained weight! Sex is great esercise!

Ok done with the jokes.

Did your provider freind have a baby? It kind of makes sense. She reitired for a year. She gained weight. Now she is back. Most ladies gain a lot of wieght when they are pregnant. some lose the weight quickly. Some take longer, and some never lose it. If it is baby weight it may eventually cme off, and she may be hot to you  again.

Anyway I don't know what is your best option here. On one hand you should tell her the truth, and say you are not attracted to her anymore. Of course that will hurt her feelings, but it's the truth. On the other hand you could make up a story, like saying that you are not seeing providers anymore. Various reasons could be used. Lack of funding due to the economy. In a civvy relationship that you are working hard at staying faithful.  Of course if you write reviews or anyone calls her for a reference, she will eventually find out and that will hurt her feelings. You can say you still are seeing providers but want to see more variety, rather than the same gal over and over. You are in a bind because you do care for her, and don't want to hurt her feelings. There is no good way to do it. If you didn't give a shit, then it would be easy to dump her.

I also agree with hotplants in that the lady continually contacting you to solicit business is tacky anyway, and you could just say that is a turn off, and you will contact her when you are ready to see her.

Did she worry about your feelings while she was soliciting you? Did she tell you up front that she ate herself to blimp proportions? Now she is being unprofessional and treating you like her personal ATM and a sucker and you are worried about hurting her feelings?

Best advice I can give you is stop being a sucker.

change phone number

Can't receive texts, calls or emails. Tell her you will contact her if you decide to see her again.
Or just tell her the truth: that it's annoying that she is so persistent.
Geez.... That's "Providing 101".....
1. Do not annoy client with excessive calls, emails or texts
2. Take the hint when he doesn't reply
3. Wait for him to contact you

I have an UTR that charges me only $150 for multiple hours.  Facewise, she is a 6 with about an 8 body (if you like them tall and athletic with large C/small D cups).  She's fun and all that, but because I know she's always available every single weekend, and frequently on Friday and Saturday nights, I honestly don't spend much time chasing her.

And lately there have been a lot of great choices for me, so I don't necessarily have the desire to always see her weekly on Friday or Saturday night.

It's been almost annoying to have her constantly text me.  I tell her I have friends in town or that I have something already planned, and think that I've freed up my schedule, only to find out that her "plans" on a Friday just canceled, and now she's available.  This has happened too many times, and it's annoying because she expects me to have kept the night she was busy open for her now that she has freed up.

The truth is that I have a better option, and I would rather spend the night with my ATF for a little more money than with this one.  And I don't want to be harsh and tell her that.

Another time I told her, somewhat unbelievably, that I couldn't afford the $150 this week and that she could come over and hang but that I just couldn't swing the money.  She said she'd get back to me, never did, and that was fine.  As CPA says, sometimes it's all about the money, and in this case it was.

Fine.  But lately she's been all over me, and the truth is that I just have a better option for the time than her.

Then I don't understand the need to find a hot girl.  Just find the one that's disease free and cheapest to deliver into your stipulations.

Using the car metaphor, if all you want is a place to park the car for an hour, you don't need to pull up to the valet at the Four Seasons on E. 57th Street in NYC.  You could easily drive uptown and east a few blocks to find an outdoor lot that charges less.

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just tell her that I am seeing other girls for now.  But i saw her the last time because it has been a while since last session.

It doesn't have to be a lie.  It could be...I don't have enough money to see you for the rate you are asking.  That's true.

You don't have to lie about seeing ladies. This is a big girl/ boy industry, if she can't take truth, find a new occupation. Just text her back, respectfully, that although you did enjoi her before, the new her is not your cup of tea. You enjoi her as a person just no longer as a provider. With that said, if and until she returns to her original frame, you'd like her to stop unsolicited communications. (by the way,IMO, that is disrespectful in itself unless you told her it was okay to do so)

I can't figure out why there are fat lesbians talking about fucking pumpkins on a men's fuck board.

The issue of appearance is a sensitive one for some providers.  We have all types out there.  Some have accepted what they do as work and a transaction, and they have fun or act for an hour or more for money.

Others struggle with it and have moral objections entirely.  I just figured that she was one of those.  So better to just be nice and say it's something else.  That's just how I would approach it, especially since maybe in the past they did have some good history.

You shouldn't be getting shit.  Yours is a valid approach, as well.

There are some providers who I would have no problem with brutally honest with.  A girl who runs an agency asked me to try out one of her new girls.  Afterward, she asked for brutal feedback.  I said she was fine, but her pussy was pretty funky.  She showered, but she probably needed to douche.  When I got her to come through DATY and FIV, the resulting wetness had a sort of "rotten egg" odor to it...probably the worst outcome for me, as a guy who likes to eat the pussy.

Then there are others...well, better to just not be that blunt.

Hope you don't follow the estrogen herd.

but I don't understand why he can't be honest and why most everyone on this thread is telling him to lie. So now, I get shit from a fat lesbo for being the only man here telling him to be honest.

Others are also forgetting that the provider was not honest with him.

This isn't The Love Boat...the gal solicited YOU..and want's you to pay her for what?

If you don't have the stones to simply tell her that you like such and such a body type, and that when she fits that ideal again you "may" consider seeing her...then do as the others here have suggested and just lie about the reasons.

And hurting her feelings...seriously dude...SHE solicited YOU.  Is she fucking YOU for FREE?

Now get your ass over to K-Mart where there is a "blue light special" on balls.  And pick up an extra pair for your next thread as well!

So you want to see this provider and she doesn't like the sound of you or things she's read abut you and sends you this email..."Sorry, I am no longer putting up with loathsome a**holes who think it's funny to be mean for the heck of it...thank you for your interest but FO".

How'd you think you'd like that kind of response? Why in Gods name do you and others feel the need to be so freaking needlessly nasty?

and nor can you fix a man that inherently hates women...there's even a cute little name for that. His only outlet is here because I can guarantee you that he would never have the balls or nerve to say the shit he says to a woman in person.

So there he sits in all his Appalachian glory with his chewing tabacky and spittoon, resplendent in a filthy wife beater, tapping away at his sperm encrusted keyboard, exorcising his vitriolic anger towards women on a fk board in the hopes it will make him feel better/superior.

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If this business is to be "recognized" as a business, the John is the customer here.  And if little Johnny wants to shop elsewhere, he is not "retiring" from shopping.  And I have yet to see ANY John post his "farewell tours" on these or the ad boards.

When gals "retire" too often it's the same "old" gals who do that shit.  They retire for a few months, the SD leaves, and the are "back by popular demand".  That crapola works on the new guys who don't see the game yet.  But it is a pathetic way to try and advertise...at least I see it that way.

So nope...guys retiring is NOTHING like the gals retiring.

And just to further my comments on the OP...I have told many a gal..TO HER FACE...that WE are not compatible.  If I'm paying anything to fuck a gal, she WILL be they body type I enjoy.  I don't need to belabor a size issue, but any gal that has a modicum of brains can see based on my reviews the type of gals that I tend to see.  

And you don't want to necessarily lie, just delete the email. She will get the hint and there will be no emails wanting an explanation or hurt feelings. I prefer to the truth but I have been burned by guys who can't handle the truth, so if I can't think of a decent lie or just plain don't want to make shit up,  I will just delete the email.

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Is it Chicago?  Is it the CPA?  No, it's probably you.  The guy asked am impossible question, how do I tell her without hurting her feelings.  It's impossible.  But you're answer seems to be, "if you had balls you wouldnt care about people's feelings.". Or even more pathetic, money makes it so you don't need to care about people's feelings.  Or money = balls.

On a side note, by comparison, my balls, though often blue, are platinum.  Balls of this pedigree cannot be had from Kmart.  Just a little extra cherry of ego on top to really inflame you.

So Missy, I am not the one coming on here demeaning men every chance I get. I will front those woman haters  and I  have you and a couple of others in my cross hairs.

I really do hate men who are cowards and you fit the bill perfectly. You have nothing nice to say about women. And you use this forum to do so. If you dislike women so much go onto a woman hating website, and there are quite a few out there, and backslap your fellow brethren. You will get all the kudos and support you need to sustain your fragile ego and further boost your hatred of women.

In fact I suppose I should feel sorry for you. What a dilemma you must have...being allegedly hetero and hating women. The fact that you need them to fulfill your desires must eat at you...having to go to the very people you can't stand and pay them to deal with you. That has got to rankle you to the core.

And maybe math is not your strong suit, but it does say member since 2012...not 2010, so I  have no idea where you got the two years from. You must have me mixed up with someone else who thinks as lowly of you as I do.

You're clearly mistaking your fat pussy lips for balls!

But you know better than most here that I don't pull my punches.  I don't need to be mean in conveying to the OP's issue to the gal...but I would much rather he "grow some stones" and tell her that he isn't into her body type.

Now..if she's the one pursuing him (as the OP suggests), maybe he should just raise HIS rates?

That's all you got?  Try this:  the OP should marry her, he pluked her didn't he?  What kind of "man" goes hour life this way?

Even you aren't any fun anymore CPA.  Has TER terrorized you into lobotomized responses?  Oh and f the white sox...

Does a lady have to mention to a prospective customer her truth about him (too fat, too much hard work, stinky dick, the boils on his ass etc etc)? To what end?

If he does not want to see her, there are plenty of other ways..even down to deleting shit or simply not answering her texts. Sometimes the truth, in these cases, is best left unsaid. I am sure she is not blind to her weight gain...as I am sure some guys are not blind to why they have been rejected, but do they have to be reminded about it?

One thing I do feel she should have done was disclose her added weight in the initial contact. And if she keeps weekly bugging him, he can  politely say that he does appreciate the unsolicited contacts and ask her not to and that if he wants to see her, he will contact her.

even after retiring? Brilliant! 1. She should not have any info. if she retired...that's simply dumb. 2. She has no right to call or text anyone at all, much less a guy who saw her over a damn year ago...wow.

She should not be so tacky to beg for business to begin with, so I would say you owe her no explanation, and should just change your damn number or tell her you are no longer in a position to receive random texts from hookers. You will let HER know if and when you want to see her.

Please, lol. Yeah you have it all figured out. You are not far from the Appalachians yourself.
You have demonstrated yourself to be a man hating ho in your two years here. Maybe you should work on getting some reviews by the unsuspecting hobbyists who don't know who you are.

The ones you and others like you don't much like are aimed at your type. I make it perfectly clear that I loathe the type of man you represent. Luckily you are the minority and I make no apology for that. There are equally many posts and emails to and from people on here that reflect my respect and like for the real men who frequent this board.

So you think two years huh? Okay, then if you know of my first review and when I started go right ahead and let the masses know. I could care less. And I avoid those street corners, there's a massive chance I will  bump into you trying to convince  someone, anyone to get within an arms length of you.

Are you forgetting "We" are the customer here?.....

Guys also announce their "retirement" from the hobby and bid everyone a farewell. How is that different from a lady retiring? A retirement is a retirement no matter what.

The ladies always get these weird little comments about returning back to work after a retirement like it's a bad thing and she couldn't cut it with out this. Tell you what, when I earn an hour what a neuro surgeon earns an hour, it's a little hard to drop that amount of cash that is so easily come by.

And I look at guys who retire and find a real GF and then break up and come back as, Oh well, guess he prefers this to that with no underlying scent of failure attached to his return.

All in a days work. And I do what I can sexy pants.

Hi CPA,

I did , over a year ago!! All I got was a joke about my beloved Cubbies & people putting ads in my thread!! I didn't get any offers!! I need to ask "retired" women how to improve on my next retirement tour!!

You may have most everyone else fooled, but not all of us. I know exactly how long you have been here. I know when your first post was up and when you got your first TER review.  
You have a lot of posts demeaning men. Since you are hiding under a new handle, I won't stoop low enough to expose you, but you are a man hating ho and there is no getting around that.
You should be back on that street corner where you belong.

After all this is a business and we use whatever marketing strategy we can to make MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!.

Those who go and see her thinking it's the last time had her on their radar to begin with. If a guy was never going to see her, a retirement announcement is not going to make him. I don't see the problem.

I am sure some guys don't like it...some ladies don't like guys who push for discounts...it's part of the business.

And I have seen guys announce they are leaving a board, maybe not this one and maybe not with the frequency, but it does happen, and now I can mock them for coming back to p4p...okay not really, just kidding.

When some ladies retire, they ALMOST always come back with a thread like.........

"I'M BACK AND BETTER THAN EVER, I'VE MISSED YOU GUYS SO MUCH"

I mean I missed your wallets so much


I guess we can agree that both the men and women who put PSA's about there so called "retirement" are very annoying, especially when we know they'll be back very soon doing the same old.

when you retire every other quarter lol. Guys want to assume all of us are in high demand and quite frankly, certain marketing strategies do just the opposite. I was told I had to be nice all the time and kiss ass on these boards to get business....yea right lol.

"Back by popular demand"

I want to know who the fuck demanded her to come back.  Frankly most of the locals were thrilled to see she (they) was (were) leaving...and just prayed it was for good.

But the same old broads (not being mean...just honest here folks) put their retirement shit out there followed by the BBPD a few months later...it's so pathetic that it's actually comical!

I don't recall seeing any fellas though...aside from Cubbie, posting their retirement tours.  And I was prepared to give Cubbie a "King Kong Kingman" bobble head doll when he "really left"  

I know how you handle this....The LAST thing a provider wants is to get busted by ANOTHER woman. Mainly your WIFE or girl friend. It's simple. You tell her that you had gotten busted recently by your wife or gf snooping in your phone texts. Tell her that your wife or gf and you have an agreement that you do not keep your phone locked in order for trust to be established. Tell the provider that her texting could cause you a world of shit and that if you have time, etc, that YOU will do the calling. This should keep her from texting you. If she carries on, to me, it shows she has no concern for your welfare, and that is reason enough to cut all ties.

but simply exchanges these types of posts doesn't create a decent trainwreck.  

And you're saying I was fun before?

And you know that if we get a real good TW going...we need others to join in the fray.  The only problem is that some asswipe out there will complain to TER that "they're being mean...please make them go away".

Yea...it's pathetic...but it happens all too frequently.  

How do you know I'm a ChiSox fan?  I may very well be a HUGE Dodgers fan  What I'm NOT is a Cubs fan....not since 1969 when those "losers" blew the pennant.

There's absolutely NO reason to lie with this gal.  She's NOT in his wheelhouse anymore...tell her so.

But too many people hate to have a confrontation.  But here...I don't see why that would be an issue.  This broads chasing Johnnie...not the other way around.

Hi CPA,
I would hope it would come w/a model fishing boat that WGN showed him to be on Lake Michigan, during a game he was supposed to be at!! ;o/

Re: Retirements of the ladies, A lady said she was retiring to another state!!  A month later she was back & I called her on it!!  I was raked over the coals for it by her & other providers!! A few posters came to my defense!!  I believe I was put in the TER penalty box for posting in her ad that was detrimental to her!! I was released a month later from moderation!!

Posted By: ChgoCPA

"Back by popular demand"

I want to know who the fuck demanded her to come back.  Frankly most of the locals were thrilled to see she (they) was (were) leaving...and just prayed it was for good.

But the same old broads (not being mean...just honest here folks) put their retirement shit out there followed by the BBPD a few months later...it's so pathetic that it's actually comical!

I don't recall seeing any fellas though...aside from Cubbie, posting their retirement tours.  And I was prepared to give Cubbie a "King Kong Kingman" bobble head doll when he "really left"  

CJ is a "Douche Bag"

Hi,
.. gave her my vitals!! There was an awkward ten second silence!!  I thought the call was disconnected, then she said she would get back to me when she had better reception!! I'm thankful she let me know , not by words, but by her actions, that this appt; will not be made!! I moved on & will not pursue her, for there is a lot more fish in the sea!!  I hope the OP does the same & the woman moves on!!

Hi,

My Mr. Potato Head  Cubbie Doll that I bought w/ a Cubbie gift card, that a previous ATF bought for my B-day, would beat up the Melton & May doll!!  I hate violence, so, no thanks!!

Hi,

Oh wait...  That was Rod Serling.. Never mind!!

I am well aware of how the two were on the same board...but the rules were the same.  You weren't allowed to post negative comments on a gals ad.

I'm still waiting for Curly to set up the trade for Z (not Carlos "nutcase" Zambrano).

And if he could pull that off I would throw your godddamned Mr. Potato Head Cubbie Doll in the deal

And didn't believe a word.

im sure at your age that would be brooklyn dodgers...

yes, you, and this board used to be fun, i'll give you that.

Hi CPA,

Can you give me more of a clue to who Z is??

Posted By: ChgoCPA

I am well aware of how the two were on the same board...but the rules were the same.  You weren't allowed to post negative comments on a gals ad.

I'm still waiting for Curly to set up the trade for Z (not Carlos "nutcase" Zambrano).

And if he could pull that off I would throw your godddamned Mr. Potato Head Cubbie Doll in the deal

..your comment about the ladies missing the wallets is true, again, this is a business and I am here for the money. I can get laid whenever I want with who I choose, this is a purely money making venture, so if I say I missed you, I mean I missed you and the money. It's not really that much of a shock, or it shouldn't be.

It should be VERY obvious

Funny how certain teams some guys just get interested in.  I'm also a huge Miami Dolphins fan.  And a Boston Bruins fan.

Of course, as long as they're not playing against my Chicago teams

And I'm trying here dan...I can't help it if the old fuddy duddy's don't like it when the kid's get a bit vocal

Agreed, marketing is one thing BS is a whole other, just go away, BYE, BYE, be gone. Put it on your website and who ever cares will know, those who don't will have less piss on our foreheads for it. It seems desperate less than marketed.

But that is not our truth at all, our truth is our rate, a good provider could, SHOULD care less about how they look. Dim the lights and light candles, play a movie and sneak peeks at the hot guy/gals and imagine. Did he pass screening? Is the donation right? Is he respectful? Is all that should be considered. She can run a bath get in with him and bathe is stinky ass, the work is hard if you don't realize it is either work/well paid acting or you don't like what you do. That is the WHOLE nature of why we are paid so much. I don't see a connection in any manner. These guys search and research the lady/person they like and expect the pictures, reviews, additude and engagement to add up. We screen and get paid, all that should add up, must we be have a "TYPE"  too before we provide a great service? I don't get it, or maybe I'm just not getting it. I figured all these years the six figure sallary, freetime, high lifestyle and expensive shoes was reason and the end. Not the love of the customers pesonal being. Clients should be rejected based on failed screening, bad behavior or rip offs. PERIOD, if you don't click that is a reason on both parts. I wonder if I should change my business model?

Why can he be honest about one reason but not all reasons? Why is it okay for a provider to say/advertise "no black guys" and it be her prefference, her business, her body? Isn't it all supposed to be about the money? If we are worried about feeling then uuummmmmm! How is this different? Why do certain providers get to choose the type of client and speak it like a badge of honor but a client must bend over and take it? I find it ironic how woman always want the truth you could have told me the truth, he should not have lied but fore it be about me? I am sorry but 50 extra pounds doesnt just sneak up on you, you don't wake up fat one morning after going to bed skinny. That is not mean it is factual, if she is mad at facts, then she should be mad at self and change herself. If she is happy in her skin (i hope she is) then she can't be mad at people who are not and it is not anyones responsability to keep anyone else happy, unless they are getting paid by the hour to do so. See what a big responsability it is even in theory? Honesty is a virtue, not a curse. It seems that our PC world has blinded people to the fact that truth is not mean, it is the delivery that is mean. I should be around and pay allot to someone whom I have no interest in because they have changed to MY WORSE and won't leave me alone? I am wrong for pulling their coat tail about MY PERSONAL TIME, SPACE AND CASH because a grown ass, rude, begger is harrasing me? I don't get how truth about self is worng, rude, mean, woman hating or any other negative thing.

What makes you think you are pissing me off? I have been having fun with you, and you are the angry one. Angry and bitter with no business. That's bad when you can't sell your pussy, huh?

In the end, there must be both supply and demand.  Right now, with the current economic backdrop, it's a buyer's market.  Girls are offering explicit and UTR discounts, many of whom are ridiculously hot and not at all the kind you would think need to do that.  But those girls know that in the end, the money has to flow from client to provider.

Maybe it's just the boards, but I would say the ratio of posts I've seen of providers retiring vs. hobbyists retiring is at least 20:1.

I will go a bit farther than I usually do in terms of bluntness here, as well.  Many of the girls who post on the local boards advertising are the same local gals who don't seem to be getting very much business.  Now I don't have their calendars and am not privy to that information, but that really seems to be more the norm here in this economy than it has been in the past.

The announcing of retirement followed by "back by popular demand" is a marketing gimmick.  If you were back by popular demand, you probably wouldn't need to advertise it.

From a client's point of view, it tells us a few things:

1.  The girl wasn't as busy as she originally stated she was, which of course affects the market price.  The market price she was commanding was based on PERCEIVED demand as opposed to TRUE demand.  Basic economics says that the market price should be lower if demand is lower.

2.  "Back by popular demand" again implies that there is a healthy-enough demand to pull her out of retirement.  That again implies that demand is higher; therefore, price should be higher.  So if a girl comes out of retirement, it argues that her price should be higher relative to the current market than what she was charging pre-retirement in the old market.  That usually is not the case.

3.  The guy who booked her and paid her fee before retirement now feels slightly because he could have seen another girl.  This is especially true if the girl herself is not charging a higher relative market rate.  I trade in the capital markets.  If I show a security to a buyer and say, "Look, the guy only has 20mm of this slug, and he needs this price to sell," and the buyer then pays that price, and then I can dig out immediately thereafter another 20mm at the same price, the guy who bought initially is going to be very upset with me, because I made a false representation.  It's especially bad if I gave the impression that there was no more size behind what he just bought (thus justifying the higher market price) and then offered the next 20mm at the same price.

Pretty simple if you just break it down to the economics/money aspect.

Stated something along the lines of, "I prefer white, Middle Eastern, Mediterranean, and Indian women."  I left out Asians and blacks, because they aren't my thing.

I got more than a few angry responses from black women.

Insanity.

An epic failure of a man who can't do any better than to assume who I am, and when called on it, can't produce. Not only a coward and a bully and a misogynist, but full of it...if I were you I'd throw myself off a cliff. I could not stand the utter humiliation of being you for  one second.

Lots of assumptions on both your parts.

You two were made for each other.  Maybe an angry fuck is in order.  

Which is important to you, so maybe one day we can meet up and see if there is a connection.