: TER General Board Discussion : Actually what you describe is complete overkill

KalyEscort 1511 reads

posted 8 years ago

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I have read around here that many young ladies are in SA, but I see that it is prohibited by the website to offer escort services (you can even report a profile if the woman is a known escort). Also many men write in their profiles "if you only want me to buy you expensive things go away from me, not looking for escort bla bla bla" ... I can't understand that difference or if the people who participate ther have a clear idea about the type of agreement that is promoted there. Accepting gifts, travels or a monthly amount, in exchange for company and fun doesn't make you also a professional?

souls_harbor 166 reads

posted 8 years ago

2 / 16

Legality

There is an actual legal distinction between paying strictly for sex and gifting your mistress. Of course a lot of sugar activity falls pretty close to the line.

I would hazard to guess the main motivation for sugar daddies to avoid pro escorts is because they think they can get sex cheaper from non pros.

There's also the possibility that some guys really are looking for a deeper relationship. Suckers.

lopaw 29 Reviews 167 reads

posted 8 years ago

3 / 16

Sugar Momma/Daddy arrangements are unique to the 2 people who agree to the plan...

..there is no boiler-plate definition of what constitutes a sugar arrangement.

KalyEscort 171 reads

posted 8 years ago

4 / 16

Re: Sugar Momma/Daddy arrangements are unique to the 2 people who agree to the plan...

Posted By: lopaw

Re: Sugar Momma/Daddy arrangements are unique to the 2 people who agree to the plan...
..there is no boiler-plate definition of what constitutes a sugar arrangement.

But at the end is a long term arrangement exchanging sex and companionship for money or gifts. It is not some kind of prostitution?
For me is hipocrit the fact to considerate that you're better if you don't pay per hour and happy and decent to pay shopping or rent.

KalyEscort 160 reads

posted 8 years ago

5 / 16

Re: Legality

Posted By: souls_harbor

Re: Legality

There's also the possibility that some guys really are looking for a deeper relationship. Suckers.

Deeper relationship when you're married? I think those guys wanna feel better thinking they're different.

GaGambler 155 reads

posted 8 years ago

6 / 16

I think you also just described the overwhelming majority of marriages

Being a Sugar Baby is no better (or worse) than being a hooker. It's just "different" and sometimes the difference is only semantics. There are a LOT of hookers on the Sugar Sites, there always has been and now post FOSTA/SESTA there are even more as other ad venues have dried up for escorts.

Yes, some SD/SBs look down on hookers, but being judgmental is hardly unique to the sugar world. How many "high class" hookers look down on BP girls? How many "courtesans" look down on hookers? Almost all sex workers look down on street walkers and the list goes on and on.

A lot of people, both men and women, are very narrow minded and they believe their way is not only the best way, but the ONLY way. Personally, I just love pussy and I am more than happy to enjoy a nice mix of SB's, hookers and "non paid" women alike. I don't have time to be judgmental, I am too busy getting laid. lol

VincenzoG91 5 Reviews 161 reads

posted 8 years ago

7 / 16

Re: I think you also just described the overwhelming majority of marriages

Wife, girlfriend, escort, or sugar baby, they always find a way to make us pay.

KalyEscort 152 reads

posted 8 years ago

8 / 16

Re: I think you also just described the overwhelming majority of marriages

Posted By: GaGambler

Re: I think you also just described the overwhelming majority of marriages
Being a Sugar Baby is no better (or worse) than being a hooker. It's just "different" and sometimes the difference is only semantics. There are a LOT of hookers on the Sugar Sites, there always has been and now post FOSTA/SESTA there are even more as other ad venues have dried up for escorts.

Yes, some SD/SBs look down on hookers, but being judgmental is hardly unique to the sugar world. How many "high class" hookers look down on BP girls? How many "courtesans" look down on hookers? Almost all sex workers look down on street walkers and the list goes on and on.

A lot of people, both men and women, are very narrow minded and they believe their way is not only the best way, but the ONLY way. Personally, I just love pussy and I am more than happy to enjoy a nice mix of SB's, hookers and "non paid" women alike. I don't have time to be judgmental, I am too busy getting laid. lol

That's my point, is the same situation decorated on different way. You can work on BP, Agencies, Streets, Saunas, Clubs, Internet... But is the same job. So for me is really stupid to delete the profile for some lady when a guy become terribly offended because he found an Escort. For me is sex work, doens't matter the way you do it, when you accept material things in exchange for sex or companionship you're not Amateur.

GaGambler 163 reads

posted 8 years ago

9 / 16

I agree with you completely

But even a lot of the guys right here on TER who frequent Sugar Babies seem to have a bias against finding "hookers in the Sugar Bowl" it makes ZERO sense to me either.

We do have a "de facto" Sugar Board on TER, The Erotic Highway board. If you get a chance you might check out some of the discussion on the subject there.

I think the reason some guys don't like finding hookers on the Sugar Sites is that most hookers of quality charge more than the typical Sugar Baby, plus I think some of them like the illusion/delusion that they actually have a GF.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 162 reads

posted 8 years ago

10 / 16

I have a golfing buddy who . . . . .

is a criminal attorney in OC and he said LE doesn't really go after SD/SB relationships because the cases tend to fall apart before they can be completely prosecuted. Since there is OTC time involved, like you point out, its hard to say if the money is actually for specific sex acts, or just a grateful boyfriend helping his girlfriend He suggested one the best strategies is to pick an obligation of hers and pay it directly FOR HER rather than giving money to her. For instance, pay her rent by giving a money order directly to the landlord. That way, you just look like BF/GF and you're helping her with living expenses the way many BF's do. If your needs are more modest, make a car payment for her (just don't sign for the loan from the bank - lol).

GaGambler 161 reads

posted 8 years ago

11 / 16

Actually what you describe is complete overkill

Here's the problem, Paying her rent in exchange for sex is still prostitution. Paying her rent as part of an ongoing relationship that involves her fucking you is not. Giving her cash in exchange for sex is prostitution. Giving her "shopping money" ie CASH as part of an ongoing relationship that involves her fucking you is not.

The biggest flaw in all this cloak and dagger stuff is that once you are fucking her, your risk of LE goes down to ZERO regardless of how you handle the money. Of course the cases are going to fall apart, the only time you are at risk in a sugar arrangement from an LE standpoint is during your initial "negotiation" If you offer a POT SB cash for sex and she ends up being an undercover officer, you are fucked and not in the good way. The good news, so far at least is that LE isn't known to run undercover SD/SB stings, not YET at least.

Giving a cash allowance is no more illegal than making a car payment or rent payment. Come to think of it, back when I was married I gave my wife a weekly cash allowance to take care of her shopping and the minor household bills. And no, I did NOT marry a hooker,but in hindsight I wish I had. lol

souls_harbor 167 reads

posted 8 years ago

12 / 16

Re: Actually what you describe is complete overkill

Quite right, once fucking has begun, soliciting charges are off the table. Of course assault or paternity charges or even blackmail (see Stormy Daniels) are always possible.