No one has it, never had or will ever have it. Power is an illusion which makes people do stupid things. History proves it over and over and over again.
I’m here to talk about power. Leaving aside role play, I think a critical factor in how much each party enjoys escorting has to do with how much power they think they have. If had a date with the most perfect provider, and a bodyguard was there wearing a pistol, I don’t think I’d enjoy that date, even if she said she’d do anything I wanted, no clock, 99% discount. I’ve come to this conclusion based on what I’ve done as a client. The providers I’ve seen. The other clients I’ve met. The posts I read here. The content I see on Twitter.
So let’s start with what I’ve done. I’m a busy client. I have reviewed a minority of the providers I’ve seen, and most providers I’ve seen multiple times. I’ve had foursomes and threesomes. I’ve learned a lot about myself sexually in this period, but as much as I’ve done of that, I’ve learned a lot more about how the world works.
I started by seeing Backpage providers. The first one, I went to the place she said to meet, no one was there. I texted her and she said, oops, come to this other place. I was nervous as hell. She was at the second place but she was not the same person as who had talked to me on the phone. She was nice, and attractive, and it worked. But I left feeling a little bit cheated, jerked around.
The second one had very hot pictures. They were not of her. But she was hot, and smart, so I had a fun time with her until we started to play. She wasn’t very in to it. I’m not good looking, so I figured it was my fault. I went back again, and she was again not very in to the play. The next day she pleaded with me to come back, offered me a good deal, so I went back. She really didn’t make much effort to give me pleasure. I left in a bad mood, figuring that I was too fat and ugly to get someone to be with me even if I paid them.
I felt powerless. One time I’d gotten the bait-and-switch, the second time I got someone who was cold. I was out more than $1,000 and hours of time. Although I had a burner phone and email, and I was using a fake name, I still worried that I would get outed by the second provider, who sent me daily messages asking me why I wasn’t coming back. I had given her a ride in my car and I was afraid she’d seen the license plate. I was mad and ready to quit this client thing.
Then I found TER. I quickly found two providers who were beautiful, intelligent, took great care of me, very erotic, priced within my budget, eager to see me, eager to hear about my kinks and work with them. My view of the world changed a great deal. I was still fat and ugly, but providers were awesome, thanks to TER! I wrote reviews, trying to capture the fun of the experience.
As I expanded my interests, I started to find providers who wanted my real name and to see my ID. NO WAY, I thought, and I posted that once or twice. I’m a great guy! They could ruin my life! I am totally at risk here! Now I could only trust TER, because at least if a provider outed a client, I’d learn about it here and cross them off my list. I resolved not to see such a provider.
But I hadn't forgotten my fears. And I had the client’s bruised ego – why can’t we get fulfilling intimate lives for free? These are the issues that some people on TER are confronting when they speak about never trusting providers, or putting them in their place, or that there’s something wrong with someone else getting paid for what I’d do for nothing (the old criticism of pro athletes). Add the customer is always right philosophy which is only taken seriously by someone who’s unaware of unreasonable people, and you’ve got the attitude of the dangerous and misogynistic posters on these boards. The people who think by damning everyone else, by being a bully, think they can have some power.
When TER changed the rating system, I understood that people were dissatisfied with score inflation, but requiring anal or a three-way to get a 10 seemed wrong. Providers want the best scores, clients want the best service… this could easily get dangerous. You want a 10? Do X for me, or give me a discount, or else I’ll give you an 7. It opened my eyes to the fact that reviews have coercive power. That seemed unfair. I slowed down writing reviews, only for providers who really wanted them. This was when I realized that I had some power in this relationship. I didn't have to use it (and I didn't), but I had it, and the providers who were on TER knew it.
Time passed, and I saw more and more providers. Every encounter was amazing. I was still fat and ugly, and they kept ignoring that and embracing me; I was an unskilled lover, and they kept coaching me to get better; I was boring, and they kept engaging me in conversation, before during and after our encounters. I said to myself, of course it’s for the money, but then they did things for free that they charge for, and I finally asked one, why do you do this? And she said, “It’s because I like you. I’m not afraid of you.”
That was nice to hear. I like to be liked. But what was this being afraid of me? I never asked questions about anything regarding her current personal life, so she wouldn’t think I was fishing for personal info that could be used to out her. What was she afraid of? That I’d short her envelope? I asked her.
She said, “You could hurt me.” I was stunned. Beyond the questions of why I’d want to hurt her, or if I could, I said, “But you’d call the cops on me.”
She laughed and for a second, I thought she looked at me like I was a loser. Then she told me the truth about who’s got the power between providers and clients. She called it “workplace protections.” She wasn’t talking about OSHA or the Social Security Administration, however.
Every day, around the world, from the Police Department to the Department of Justice to the Courthouse, you will hear, in the precinct house, in the DA’s office, directly from the judge’s bench:
“Honey, you were asking to be groped, you were wearing provocative clothing.”
“Hookers can’t be raped, they have sex for a living.”
“Another dead whore? One less problem on the streets.”
And the people who menace, assault, rape or kill are rarely investigated, let alone prosecuted, let alone sentenced to the time they’d give to someone who stole a car stereo.
If you don’t believe me, ask why the serial killers who target sex workers and are caught aren’t arrested until they’ve killed a dozen, or twenty, or more. Or look up the ages of the unidentified bodies currently in your county’s morgue. Why are there so many young people there? Why aren’t the cops solving those cases? Or read the book by Ronald Weitzer entitled “Legalizing Prostitution: From Illict Vice to Lawful Business.” Other reputable sources report that one in six sex workers in NYC have been sexually harassed or raped by the police, and 25% of sex workers in Chicago who reported being raped claimed the rapist had been a police officer (see link).
Every time a provider meets any client, whether they know them for years or just got a first text, whether in a hotel suite or in the front seat of a car, whether they have great scores on TER or they’ve delisted, they run the real risk of being unpaid and having no recourse to collect; the risk of being beaten or raped and then arrested if they call the police; the risk of being killed and their bodies dumped, cold cases forever.
If you think about that, you will understand who has the power. I’m not condoning bad behavior by providers, and it happens, but don’t abuse your power by tarring all providers as evil, or man haters, or rip off artists, or anything else. Don’t abuse your power by outing a provider and burning her personal life. Don’t abuse that power by thinking you are entitled to have her do anything other than spend time with you if she feels safe. Earn the rest by demonstrating you understand the forces working against her and you won’t give her anything else to fear.
-- Modified on 12/19/2017 1:44:31 PM
Since last year, when you tried to impose your Code of Conduct on the rest of us, that you would become a little more of a mainstream hobbyist, but this proves you haven't. It seems like a lot of trouble to go to just to brag to the rest of us that you found a few providers that have given you, 1) off-menu services, 2) freebies, 3) OTC time. Most veterans here have been there and done that. Congratulations on your discovery, but this attempt to sneak it in under another in a series of white-knight posts wasn't necessary. Neither did you have to remind us in your narrative that you're boring. We know.
Until now we could only assume he was fat, ugly and unable to please a woman, Now we've heard it from the horse's ass, err horse's mouth. lol
and did he really brag about "off menu services, freebies and OTC time"??? I couldn't bring myself to read the entire novelette he posted. Did you really read his entire post? I didn't know you were into masochism. lol I was only able to skim it and the part where he called himself fat and ugly kind of jumped out at me. The rest of his post was just so much blah blah blah to me.
chose his to read rather than the NYTimes? Lol
I only made it a few sentences in then went, Holy Shit this is long.
Cliff Notes next time Bud, "I ain''t got time for that shit".
..... you sound like you are suffering from the paralysis of analysis.
I personally stopped trying to work it out and decided to be myself and enjoy the fun that's offered to me. Regardless of the agreement made between two, three, four or five parties. (See I get to brag too)
There are some pretty special people in this way of the world and there are BSC arseholes too.
Just stick with the special ones, that's what I am doing.
Any more than I am, anyway.
you and mick are real pricks. LMAO!
no one has pissed you off yet or personally attacked you today. You are definitely one of the arseholes, and I say that with all due respect and admiration.
You all know y'all love each other! 😚
XOXO
TL
You are over thinking this at an order of magnitude that makes me feel sad for you... for about 3 minutes because I really don't care that much.
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You are fat, old, and ugly and you like to have hot sex with younger women. Welcome to TER. Every guy (and Gal; respect, Lopaw!) on here considers themselves to be fat, and/or old, and/or ugly (and for GaGa, add snarky as well .
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Try to relax, grab a quality single-malt (neat, please!) and just go fuck the women you like to fuck. It's really just that simple. Ok, yes, follow the agreed on rules and guidelines for her and your safety. Blah, blah, blah...
I appreciate the sympathy, but I'm not overanalyzing my situation. I'm figuring it out, and in doing that, I'm trying to put out a message against the people who post hate. They're here, and I think it's useful for people who don't know what to believe to understand how one client outgrew them. We're all here to share our experiences.
I understand that discussing unpleasant things is not why we're here. As best I can see, TER was founded to make clients aware of how much credibility providers have according to other clients. For some reason, as TER tries to create more trust, some people can't seem to stand that and want to reverse the trend. Well, clients not trusting providers leads to providers not trusting clients leads to bad experiences for me, you, and everyone here. I think something that's directly aimed at the mission of this site is worth looking at pretty deeply.
That's a broad brush you are painting about bad experiences. Other than one unfortunate experience with a provider who was too young for me (my fault), I have had nothing but excellent experiences.
Yes, there are plenty of providers and mongers that have had bad experiences. Those bad experiences should also surface here. Living in denial is a recipe for disaster.
And to set things straight............ Men have been violent towards women since forever. Of course these ladies have much greater reason to have fear . In comparison, the risks we male mongers take is minimal to physical violence. To deny that just labels a male as an arsehole.
So get over that.
and while some were able to really empathize, I don't think most guys really understand why the dynamics are so very different.
It always reminds me of the quote "Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them.”
Sorry to be so dark, but that's the reality.
xo
with laughter. One was nearly a murder/suicide. We were both laughing so hard we couldn't catch our breath.
you like them, but the girls I fuck are MUCH better looking than this. To answer your question, it was the second time she stopped for more lube because I was too big. You were on the right track, but you were thinking more about your own frame of reference and not mine. Lol
Where you left your sense of humor, kid. We're just having a little fun here.
...got all defensive (as you usually do). Your comeback to him was, in essence: "I have a big dick; you have a little dick." How is that funny?
You shouldn't try to remember where you left your sense of humor...because you never had one.
I even put LOL at the end so the slow ones like you would know we're just joking around, obviously to no avail. You don't understand locker room humor. I know things are more genteel at the ladies' day spa where you go for your dance class.
Don't you have a link to find for someone so you can mock them? That's really all you're good for here.
-- Modified on 12/20/2017 12:13:25 PM
No one has it, never had or will ever have it. Power is an illusion which makes people do stupid things. History proves it over and over and over again.
Did this post garner the requisite number of digital pats on the head from your surrogate mommies on Twitter?
Yep, he got the pats on the head and the custom generalized verbal abuse of the members here. Bet most of them didn't read the whole OP either or this whole thread.
It was a hate fest that the OP is thinking that he is solving here.
I nodded off at the 3rd paragraph..
C'mon guys, as much as I could stomach on this thread was dreadfully dull and pretentious, and I admit I couldn't wade through it, so I may have missed a lot of gems. I doubt it.
I think many of the folks who comment here are worthy of better stuff. Up, up good fellows!
I just can't. Any way for you to explain without writing a freaking book babe? 😕
XOXO
TL
Part one consisted of "I am fat, ugly, have no game and the hobby sucks"
Part two was "I am still fat, ugly, have no game, but maybe the hobby doesn't suck quite that badly after all"
Part three was "don't rape hookers"
See, you really weren't missing much. lol
If you had posted this on the first day, no one would have had to endure the slow torture of reading the whole thing!!! Lol
If Gag had posted this on day one the OP wouldn't have had the attaboys on Twitter that he got for stirring us Neanderthals up.
Part 4: "Cops are bad people"
Of course in that novel it would be easy to miss a chapter so I don't fault you.
Kudos to your resolve in getting through that entire diatribe. Personally I can only subject myself to so much abuse.
I've also really got the power..LOL Woman Power ..and. I miss the Spice Girls
This reads a bit like the stuff on facebook by millennial women lecturing their male "friends" and relatives not to rape. I always wonder just what sort of friends they have that need to be reminded or convinced not to rape.
Don't rape providers? Like, ok, but a rapist isn't going to read your boring ass essay and go "omg you're right, I'm not going to rape whores anymore!" You're preaching to the choir, the few of us that forced ourselves to read your boring ass paper.
Also you are boring. Holy shit dude, why did it take you so long to get to the point? Rambling about extra services and free time or whatever, good for you, but if you're trying to fight the good fight against rapists, bragging about paid sex isn't proving anything. Yeah, we all paid for sex and got the occasional extra hour or session or discount or whatever, it's part marketing gimmick and part sometimes emotional stuff happening, but wtf does that have to do with rape?
You sound super depressed and lacking in confidence, which is what I think all this is really about. You didn't rape anyone, you're not hurting these girls, just bang them and have fun, and if you sense that a provider you visit really is one of the broken ones with an abusive pimp, severe emotional issues, and/or drug problems, then quit seeing them. I use this website to fuck girls, that's all.
Get a little more aggressive with your providers too, indulge yourself, that's what they're there for. When your provider said she wasn't afraid of you, you should've told her that she should be, you should've told her that you're everything she should be afraid of, you should've clutched her neck, gotten her into your favorite sex position, and then you should've fucked the shit out of her. Don't worry, she's an adult, she knows what she permits and what she can handle, she's not going to fall apart and start weeping about how the patriarchy ruined her again. Then again, I do like getting a little rough, only as much as they'll permit me of course. I consider the power dynamic to be rather simple really, ultimately she's in charge and you follow her rules, but beyond that have fun with her however you like, provided that she'll consent to it. Anything else, you don't do. Simple as that.
Press that edit button and I'll come back later.
Alls Well and Ends Well....With A Happy Ending..😚
"I'm fat and ugly" sympathy lecture from a guy who lost his balls many years ago.
That some guys seem to feel about being asked to pay for sex. The way I see it is that you're paying for a service similar to what a masseuse would do. Sure, you could get free massages from an intimate partner, but for one reason or another, you paid for it. Money is meant to be used to buy goods and services, so buying sex as a service, is completely natural. Almost nothing in this world is really free, basic necessities like food, water, and shelter aren't free, so why should sex being given to you as a service be any different?
If I divided the amount of money she cost me by the number of times we had sex I'd probably shoot myself.
Most likely you spent 10k a year on your ex wife and she probably wasn't getting off and didn't like you so she probably put out maybe once a week.
$10,000 a year divided by 52 weeks a year equals 192$ a week Jake spent on his ex for sex at most. Knowing Jake, she probably skipped a couple of weeks so he he probably spent a little less.
Consistently clueless, that is. Probably the result of smelling his fingers constantly.
It is true providers are sometimes marginalized by LE, or worse abused outside the scope of the law. It is also true there are some really bad people that exploit the fact everyone here is at an increased risk do to thee illegal nature of this hobby. In fact I was robbed once and blackmailed once when I was new and stupid. I know of two ladies that were raped.
Safety is a real concern for everyone in this game. There are real dangerous people on both sides of the coin. Hell not to long ago a group of people outed GaGambler because they didn't like his board persona. Truth is the vast majority of hobbyists and providers aren't going to engage in bad behavior but there is a minority out there that will.
The solution is simple, everyone must screen everyone. Everyone must demand that they maintain their power. Who has the power? If both people are doing this right, both sides have the power. Power is gained by proper screening. By having standards and limits. By the willingness to walk out and/or say "NO" an mean it. By learning the rules of the hobby. By using some common sense. And by having respect for yourself and your date. Had you done this your bad experiences would not have happened. And I would would bet the number of bad things that happen would be reduced.
Who has the power? Well if both sides are doing it right, both sides do. Bad things happen but most of these things could be avoided with screening and being willing to say and mean "no".