I know providers delist for various reasons. Some are still great to see. Some there are reasons not to see them. Often one of my biggest concerns is knowing if they are legit or a scam. It would be nice if there was a list of scammers. Would also be nice for those who are legit, if there was a vouching system. I used to participate in a business exchange place on Reddit. We had reputation pages where other Reddit users who did business with us would leave very short remarks on our reps, basically something like "We did a deal. It went smooth. He's legit." Not much details but something that let others know I was legit. And, if you had a fair amount of rep, you were more easily trusted. And, since it was Reddit users, you could see these weren't shell accounts. Is there any place or trusted source where something as basic as legit or not exists?
P411 for one. Others are TERs competition and can't be mentioned here.
Then I think they must provide additional info to them as well, but not 100% sure. Maybe someone will chime in with that info. What I do know is that many guys feel comfortable seeing women who are on that platform.
p411 is pretty good. It’s home to a lot of high-end girls. So high-end they don’t even allow reviews haha. In order for them to join they gotta be invited by other clients. I believe the provider also needs to be reviewed on other sites but once they’re in p411 they can remove/delist from reviews. They also gotta take a selfie with today’s newspaper. Kinda weird but it works. They’re pretty strict about scammers and will remove/ban someone.
I met a girl from there once who only had p411 and onlyfans. No reviews, no personal website, no social media, couldn’t be found on their sites like tryst, and required a deposit. I know those are huge red flags to some of you but I gave her the benefit of the doubt and I had a great time with her. She even told me she prefers clients from p411 since a client has to pay for membership and that tells her they’re pretty serious. After a date, she can vouch for you and gives you an “okay” and that can become a reference for future dates.
We don't have to hold up a newspaper. Where do you even find a newspaper? lol
Providers have to submit a selfie holding up our ID next to our face. Standard screening that many providers use as well for their clients.
Yes P411 is pretty strict in regards to providers getting on the site. Myself as well as providers would prefer if clients were held to the same standards to be allowed to join.
I have only had one bad experience from P411, but that was because of his hygiene, otherwise he was fine.
They may have changed some of the protocol from when I joined the site, but at that time you had to have reviews on TER or some other review site to verify. I think you can go the invitation route, I did not.
I have never had a complaint from a client on P411 so I honestly don't know how that is addressed by P411. I have also never complained about a client, so unsure on that whole process as well. Mr. Stinky above I just told him I did not feel comfortable giving him an "OK", that was about it. P411 for providers is free, if you place a touring ad it is only $20, which I think is very reasonable. You can also pay for other upgrades, but considering I am the only hooker in Wausau, WI I do not. The crux is they are more UTR so someone has to go out of their way to find it.
But if you are asking if a provider is on P411 is legit I would go pretty high and say 95% are real.
P411 does now require that you submit a photo of yourself, holding up today’s newspaper, as well as a close-up of the newspaper. I ended up finding newspapers at Walgreens between the entrance and the checkout. (Also hi 👋)
You also have to submit that photo of yourself holding your ID as well as a separate photo of the ID.
Also, they give you one week to submit your registration with the newspaper, photos, ID photos, and your two reviews from the past three months or your two vouches. Otherwise everything gets deleted and you have to start over.
Source: completed this process within the past couple of weeks
I was on P411 from 2009-2013 and had to go through the process described above PLUS answer personal questions (grandmother's middle name, street I lived on when I was 11yo, etc) to match what I'd answered back in 2009. It was indeed a process as I had to walk 6km around Panama City to find a newspaper. My apartment lease, utility bill and resident card would not suffice despite all being in the same name as my passport and driver's license.🙄
Most of my old friends are on P411 and I find it simplifies screening... on both sides of the aisle.
If you ever need a newspaper again, traditional grocery stores like Kroger and Publix always have a little rack of newspapers tucked somewhere. You just need to ask where they are.
I've been on P411 since 2010, and also had to reverify with all the things + newspaper when they made the change.
Unfortunately, those grocers don't do business in the Central American country of Panama where I live. We have Riba Smith, Rey and Machetazo as major chains (but all the good fresh stuff is sold on the sidewalks or out of the back of trucks just down from the mountains).😇 The vast majority of people here just get their news from their phones off free wifi. Some hotels will have newspapers because they cater to upscale tourists, but even then it's like not like there's a stack of them sitting around.
I've had great luck on P411. Only time I've had a problem was many years ago I had a provider that refused to give me an "Okay" unless I provided a positive review first. Sent that to the site owners, and they asked the provider about it. A day or so later I got an Okay and never heard anything else about it.
You’re describing TER haha. I know there used to be a clients only subreddit but it got taken down.
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The platform we are on does this, and does a better than its competition. Besides, the women that delist from TER are probably not going to want to be on any platform at all going forward. The ClientsOnly subreddit was targeted by sex workers and providers too. They’re the ones that had the subreddit taken down. They brigaded the sub and mass reported it. I can’t blame them either the place was very toxic, much worse than this board. I know a few telegram groups have popped up but I stay away from them. They seemed like bad news.
yeah the battle between clients and providers on reddit was entertaining. Screening vs no screening. Deposit vs no deposit.
I clearly stated for those delisted or not on TER. Some women don't want/allow reviews on TER for various reasons. One is they don't want certain details shared. Another is they don't like the rating system. And, another is because they are scammers. When they are not on TER, and will never be on TER, it's hard to know if they are legit and just don't like TER or if they are not legit and possible scammers.
I think he is saying even given the deliested escorts you're not going to find much better. Rather than arguing with the guy about that why not just setup a server and create that list. You might find it's not easy and that is why you don't see such a list -- which largely sounds to me like you're asking for some type of comprehensive escort registry that tracks their business reputation, given legal status I doubt that would even be possible so your list is going to miss providers too.
But go for it, become the Dunn and Bradstreet of escorts.
I agree I’m not going to find much better than TER, at least for now. But I think we all feel even TER has room to grow. So you never know if another player may come along one day and do just that. But it won’t be easy. TER has an extensive database and users. But I’m not the guy who’s going to start a list or another site, lol. I don’t have that kind of time. And, one advantage TER has is that it’s not US based. I am. And FWIW, I love what I can get out of TER. It’s extremely useful. This in no way is a plot to not need TER.
I wasn’t looking for a TER alternative. I was looking for something that may complement it and help figure out ladies who are not on TER. Since I know some are legit, as I have seen some great ladies who have “no review” policies or are delisted specifically from TER. And, some here shared some useful information, like p411 and in DMs that I cannot post here.
P411 does not verify if anyone is legit it’s not a verification site.
I only know 1 provider personal who lives in the South that is delisted and she’s verified. I would be happy to help by personally vouching for a lovely little lady that I truly love her soul. She’s my soul sister. Her name is…
Can I post her here if she’s delisted? Hate to get banned.
It would be fairer to say, as you have in the past, that P411's verification methods don't meet your standards. And that's fine. But it DOES meet the certification standards of some providers. Everyone gets to decide what's adequate to make them feel safe.
Claro?
P411 only let's guys in with vouches, and they certainly vetted me at work (back in Gina's day). my vouches are totally legit and verifiable. Perhaps this doesn't comport with some companions' screening desires, but for others... it is fine.
She asked for some simple PI and that was it. She promised to destroy it when done, which it seems she did. given that it was about 15 years ago.
They verify if the client is a real person. They ask for id, utility bill, employment verification. Once the client gets a few “okays” from other providers, I feel like that adds some legitimacy to the client. It’s also a paid membership. Who’s willing to pay just to see who’s touring their city? A legit client that’s who. It’s not perfect but in my opinion it’s the best for both clients and providers. Besides p411 always recommends providers to do any additional screening they feel necessary.
What you describe sounds like P411. The ladies listed there are "vouched" for by established clients, or by their reviews. Ladies give clients "okays" which is supposed to mean that they saw a gent without issue.
P411 is a vouch exchange site, NOT a screening site.
Do I need a client p411 account to see exchanged vouches? Paid membership? p411 may be helpful not only for those without reviews, but some newer TER reviewed ladies with a smaller track record.
Thanks everyone for the helpful replies.
For discretion, you will not see the details of the clients that ladies have given okays to. You will only see that a lady has given a certain number of okays. Ladies can also choose to hide the number of okays they have given. You will also not see who gave vouches for a lady. The fact that she is on the site means she was vouched for, or she has (or had) reviews. Of course, the system can be abused with fake vouches, but that isn't very common.
If you want to join P411 as a client to receive okays from ladies you have seen, I believe all client memberships are paid. Ladies don't pay to be on the site, but they may pay for extra perks, like a top listing placement.
So is it just two vouches and it stops, or can more guys vouch. I am more interested in if it gives a number than actual names. If two is where it stops, then seems all things are equal for ladies who make it on p411. But if that number can keep ticking upwards, it can set some ladies apart.
Ladies don't need, and dont receive additional vouches once they are accepted as legit providers to join the site. The vouches (or reviews) verify that they are real providers at the time they join the site.
Ladies then give "okays" (vouches) to clients. When a lady views a client profile, she can see which other ladies has given the client an okay. It essentially serves as a reference list.
If your idea is a site that provides ongoing constantly updated reassurance that a lady is "legit", TER reviews may be your best resource.
Yeah, TER has worked well. Sometimes, I see ads for ladies not on TER. I have TOFTT a few times. Blindly doing it can be scary. It sounds like p411 would greatly reduce the risk. While continuous vouches would be ideal, seeing a stream of okays is helpful too. Thanks for the information.
Since provider-given "okays" must first be requested by the client, I suppose you could view the number of okays given by a lady as vouches from clients since the clients must initiate the okay process on P411.
Kinda like… he’s one of us… a goodfella 
I don't know what you mean by "exchanged vouches". Providers need a vouch from two clients in order to join.
Yes you have to join. When I did it was as a result of a provider sending me an invite to join after I had seen her. I forget what it costs now but I think it's about $150/year.
I have found it to be of great value.
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I think you may be confused on P411 works (which is fine, not a dig).
The provider has a basic profile/ad. Clients (who are members) can search for a provider in a certain location. The client can then contact the provider to do a "pre screen" or "book an appointment". Pre screen is kind of a warm hello. If the client books an appointment with a provider and if everything goes good he will send a "client is requesting an OK" then the provider fills out a little form with the date she saw him. Connected to the provider profile it has a section saying "provider has given this many OKs". I do not know if a client can see the names of all of the clients, a client can chime in on that. I think mine is like 62 or 63 "OKs". We can also click on a clients name if they contact us to book and it has a list of all of the providers that client has seen and that gave him and "OK". Providers can then contact a provider if they want for further verification. Providers cannot click on a client's info just to be nosey the client will get an alert indicating a provider viewed your file with her name. To join I think a provider has to have two reviews but someone said P411 may have changed that requirement.
Clearly, I am confused lol. That’s why I had questions. I have seen p411 ads. But I am not a member so I am very unaware of the inner workings. Thanks for the information.
Clients on P411 cannot see a list of those who have been given OKs by a provider, just the number.
A provider certainly can look at a client profile "just to be nosey" - nothing prevents that but as you pointed out clients get notified when a provider views their profile. That's a setting that can be changed but I'm not sure why a client would want to not know.
I know there are some providers who swear by p411 and same with some guys. But more than one provider has told me they won't use it for various reasons. Common theme is that there is no true vetting and so it becomes useless for verification. One girl said they had been robbed by a guy and subsequently got him kicked off p411, only to resurface with a different username and he tried to meet her again. He had a criminal record too. Other girls have told me that they've talked to some girls who ok anyone that asks for it even if they've never met in the hopes the guy will book an appointment.
Yes this is a bit of heresay, he said she said type. But I've seen similar behavior on Twitter where girls will follow others they've never met or interacted with and amplify posts by retweeting, and then scammer accounts become legitimized.
Bottom line, think through what makes you comfortable meeting complete strangers, and how does a site verification or interaction or other information get you to a comfort level.
But what you've described is really anecdotal and probably rare. Any system can be abused.
Indeed, many women swear by P411 but some won't accept it for screening, including our very own Miss Scarlet and Queen Bia.
In my personal experience with the women I've contacted it's rare that a lady won't accept P411 especially if the client has many okays. YMMV. I've even had women who were not P411 members accept P411 for screening.
A client can add a non-member provider to their favorites list and then send that lady an invitation to view their profile. That has come in handy for me a few times.
I feel like it would. At the very least you'd know that provider was on here at some point and had some reviews on here.
Honestly what you're saying is only a problem because providers can ask to be delisted and there's no easy way to tell whether she was delisted because of scamming or other reasons. I do believe there are some scammers that do have the whole "bright red sign" that they cheated showing up in their ter profiles..... but majority just get their profiles deleted it seems.
Effectively we need another trusted system for any provider who is advertised and working but cannot be reviewed on ter.
To get on P411 is so difficult for both sides. The guys you have to get a provider who is already on there to vouch for you and for the ladies you have to find another provider to vouch for and submit all your ID etc. It’s not something you want to get kicked off of either.
Some people complain P411 isn't tough enough about screening members to make it a good vetting source. So which is it?
Well yes and no. Being OK'd on P4 shows that you have some experience in the hobby, but it doesn't show for instance if you have violent criminal history or anything like that. It turns out that different providers have different levels of verification, and while what P4 does will be enough for some providers, it clearly won't be for others.
which was only that the person to whom I was responding failed to understand that screening is the entire purpose of P411 so no one should be surprised when they ask for info; Whether it's enough or not is another issue.
But isn't it also true that regardless of a providers screening level they are not giving OKs to anyone they have not seen (or should not be), right? While I would not say it provides any guarantees it is also the case that just because someone doesn't have a criminal record related to some violence that doesn't mean they cannot be violent.
But I get that everyone is going to choose what they want to use for making their decisions and how much weight they will put on the information source.