Do you think paying for sex makes you a misogynist? I'd be interested to hear how both men and women felt about this on here. I think I'll get answers I'm expecting, but I figured I'd ask anyway.

Please don't quote Charlie Sheen and then assume that most hobbyists feel the same way.

Not me. I like the providers I see very much. The ones I haven't seen I have no feelings one way or the other.

and behavior, beyond the mere fact of paying for sex, IMO.

Granted, it's a business transaction, but that doesn't mean you have to walk in the door with the attitude that money=power and dominance. You can still engage in this hobby with respect and make it mutually beneficial.

Charlie Sheen may not speak for all guys that see prostitutes, but he does speak for a lot of them. Why do you think that quote is used so often?

I certainly don't despise women, but I sure like the ability to see dozens/hundreds/ thousands of them without having any of them get up my ass about "cheating" on them, and lets face it, civvie women are a lot more likely to get up your ass about exclusivity than is a hooker, which is just one of the reasons I love hookers. So yes, in a way even the "nicest" of us is still paying them to leave after sex.

...they started engaging in P4P, and/or they would cease to be misogynists were they to STOP P4P activity?

I would stay far away from those sordid misogynists....and misandrists.  Not to mention anyone who is classified as a miscreant.

Obviously not "everybody" feels this way, but to discount the many, many men who do feel this way just because Charlie Sheen gets the credit for the quote is a bit short sighted.

Do you honestly believe that a large number of men don't feel this way?

Most of the guys in this "realm" are cool people and no more misogynistic than the general populous.  

Feminist theory (as stated by various womyn's studies programs at various ivy league institutions) says that p4p and porn is unquestionably objectification.  Objectification is defined as the treatment of people as objects - like slavery.  And is, therefore, unquestionably misogynistic and EVIL.  QED.

Not. P4P. As most men will tell you you pay for it one way or the other. P4P means cutting to the chase and lowering complications most often as well as taking a break for whomever you share your life with, with assured discretion not to mention variety. I mean…it's called play for a reason. When two people decide without outside coercion to play it's not misogyny…it's awesomeness manifest.

...based on some of what I read here, there are some people who I would consider misogynists who are using the hobby as an outlet for their mindset.

I pay for the access to a special brand of attention that only an experienced provider can... provide, and if I don't respect the woman whose attention I'm paying for, I'm not getting what I came for.

Dating, courtship, engagement, marriage and divorce cost a man a quantifiable fortune. Wardrobes, bling, pricey 4 wheeled penises and frequenting trendy social venues so as to be a hip, cool happening fool only add to the aforementioned "fortune" spent.    

This arrangement is really simple, why do some folks wish to complicate this?

Because I can't find anywhere that I or Robin ever claimed that Charlie Sheen spoke for EVERYONE, but I sure as hell can show you where  you misquoted both of us.

I would advise that you simply quit while you are behind, and that appears to be what you are doing. Or you could just be a man about it and admit you got this one wrong,  Would that really be so hard?

Wish I was there. If you go back in the fall, I'll likely see you there. As you so eloquently said "wash, rinse, repeat", that's awesome.

I love women, they tend to be more interesting to me than men, and I can have sex with some of the women.  If I could get similar quality sex without paying for it, I'd be all over that in a heartbeat.  Unfortunately, I'm at an age where I can't compete with the 30-somethings in the bar scene or online.

There are a couple I would like to stay around as long as they like.  One that I'd let move in if she quit seeing other guys.

And I don't think there are too many of us that think we are any better than hookers, honestly, we need you as much or perhaps more than you need us.

yes, not saying this your case, but the ladies help pedophiles and rapists deal with their urges so they can control theses urges instead of taking them out on girls and women, so they protect them.  that is underrated aspect of this i think.

Not a pedophile or a rapist, but I like to get laid. And, if it weren't for theses lovely ladies I'd have to settle for a woman that I could attract, or a gold digger. I don't want to settle for either one of those two choices and I certainly don't care to have to romance either one of those choices. So these ladies help me to not have settle, and I don't have to work at it to get laid.

has her own location and has you ask ya'll to leave...which I'm real bad at anyway!

Steph xoxo

As some of the other guys have mentioned, I too have liked just about every provider I've been with. Certainly some more than others. The very few I didn't like we're early on in my hobby career when I had seen a few BP girls and I simply just didn't see those girls again. No hard feelings, just never went back to them.

There are men who don't pay for sex who hate women as well as a few who do pay hate women.  

This is an adult game, we both know the rules/parameters, so I think a woman should not have to tell me when times up. After all I learned how to tell time a very long time ago. It's funny to me because I often read in reviews "she is not a clock watcher", well I am the clock watcher. I want to know how much time is left, so I know when to get the action started again for round two or round three (easy ladies, I rarely book for less than two hours and I can get three in 2 hours).

You just happened to post at an inopportune time for me. And no, you didn't say everybody, I said that. If you go back and read the posts in sequence you'll see.

Thinking you're better than the whore your paying, is. Acting like you're entitled to any damned thing you want because you're paying, is. Paying, and then turning around and denigrating hookers, is. Believing you know how to run her business, or set her personal boundaries better than she does, is. Assuming women who willingly engage in sex work need to be saved from themselves, is.

What camp or you in on that topic hotplants?

Everything requires context. Everything about labels is about what your intention is in using them.  

It would be out of context for me to call the girl fetching my burger and fries at McDonald's a hooker. But to throw it around here makes sense to do so since b/c thats what they are.

You can make every action, word and deed from a male misogyny. This is the main reason, you cannot have honest conversation because, anything you say could be held against you.

For me it's the "drama free" aspect that I like. The last "civi" I dated seriously misjudged my tolerance for BS and made the mistake of going off on me for some imagined slight. I showed her the door. Providers don't (or shouldn't) do that. I absolutely adore women. I just don't want to live with one. So yes, the hobby provides the perfect solution in that I get to enjoy company when I want ... and only when I want without all the drama.

ook, I'm not suggesting one should never use "hooker". I use hooker sometimes. But, you said it yourself: "I do think the context of any particular sentence and the anger portrayed in the post, e.g. "Listen you dumb fucking hooker...." can be out of line".  

but I can't disagree with a single word he just said.

I do notice a certain number of "hobbyists" who do seem to resent the fact that they "have to" pay to get a little strange. and those guys certainly come across as misogynists to me, but I hardly resent the few bucks I shell out to have the sex life of a rock star. If it costs ten times as much, I am pretty sure I'd still do it, but I might start resenting it at that price. lol

I resent that I don't have more money!