Please don't give the manginas here any ideas.
They already have to bring their envelope, the wine, the candle, the tip, the brand new gift wrapped Louboutins, their maxi-pads..
If I found out that a provider I had seen was charging other providers simply taking a moment out of her day to ensure a fellow providers safety, I would immediately put her on my "Must miss" list.
And I would hope that if this actually happened to you that you would "name names" on your regional board so everyone could avoid her like the plague. If you don't feel comfortable going public, I think at the very least you should let your potential client know that some hooker is trying to hold you up for a fee before giving him a referral. He could then do what he wanted to with the info.
Exactly my thoughts.
However, thankfully this isn't close to home for me... something I came across randomly.
If I caught a provider in my area doing that SHIT I would no doubt "out her ass";
On the provision that I wasn't "breaking" any rules; Don't want to get kicked out the playground, ya dig?
But yeah, I read what I read, went to bed, and still had it on my mind.
Maybe ran me a little hot?
I mean, as a man, it would make me upset.
As a fellow provider, huh-huh-huh-huh....
For reals?
I would never want to "present myself" to the masses as "a bitter ho" (cause I'm actually more sun shiny LOL) but sometimes I really gotta remind myself about this "sandbox" we are all playing in and that to use caution...
Posted By: GaGambler
If I found out that a provider I had seen was charging other providers simply taking a moment out of her day to ensure a fellow providers safety, I would immediately put her on my "Must miss" list.
And I would hope that if this actually happened to you that you would "name names" on your regional board so everyone could avoid her like the plague. If you don't feel comfortable going public, I think at the very least you should let your potential client know that some hooker is trying to hold you up for a fee before giving him a referral. He could then do what he wanted to with the info.
to include this little tidbit, and make that the sole subject of my dissertation. Or maybe I wouldn't review her at all if I thought that would do more.
It'd be one thing is she operated a 3rd party phone screener/verification service, which many former providers do on the side as they're transitioning to civvie life.
How unprofessional.
To charge someone for a reference not cool. I would avoid
Greedy greedy greedy!!! Shame on her!!!
A reason that one would feel like extra compensation is necessary would be if you are newbie friendly. It takes a lot to be that, you're always taking one for the team. And then someone is free to go off and see other women with much stricter guidelines, that has certainly happened to me, like training wheels. I can understand the notion that one may deserve more. But I think it should be done at the beginning and only charged to the guy. "Hey, I'm newbie friendly but it's an extra $50 or $100". Don't pass it on after the fact.
I do understand that TOFTT sucks. And giving out referrals means you will most likely be sending your happy customer elsewhere.
I think the allowance of a "Noob fee/referral fee" has it's own ethics/rationale.
I can't say that isn't a bad idea....
However, as a provider? From a fellow provider?
Meh....
Just a total lack of professional courtesy in my eyes.
I am sure the fellows will be piping up!
I like the idea...
Perhaps marketable as the "Noob package" LOL
Please don't think (people) that I was posting to "create some wild market strategy" - I am sure the ladies will vouch, this is kind of a "hot topic" now....
Thanks for sharing your opinion Cosette. I always read your posts whenever I see your name!
I too like Les Mis!
To fellow women, agreed, you can't charge them. If you choose to take the risk and see people without references that is YOUR business. Don't punish others in your same boat for your actions.
I saw Les Mis again! Thanks to the best newbie I've ever opted to see!
Go Newbies!
Conan, can you give us a ruling on the triple negative? I don't understand the sentence...
Noobs are your future, providers. Don't penalize them for being first-timers. Welcome them into the fold.
it's a good idea. And it's really a double negative. The fact the word "bad" is used doesn't count.
Newb diner: Well, no...this is my first time here.
Waiter: Great to have you with us, sir. In addition to our regular fare on our menu, our specials tonite are Steak Tartare and Foie Gras.
Newb diner: Excellent! Thank you so much.
Waiter: My pleasure sir. I do need to point out our different price structure for first timers though sir. Your meal will see an additional 20% fee due to your inexperience dining with us.
Newb diner: What? I didn't see that on your menu. Where is...
Waiter: Look at the bottom right of the menu sir, under the very fine print about an 18% gratuity included for parties of 10 or more.
Newb diner: It says there will be a 5% additional fee for the devastating effects of Obamacare. I dont see...
Waiter: No, beneath THAT too, sir...here is my magnifying glass...better?
Newb diner: Cripes...I'm oughta here douche! Even my hooker doesn't charge me extra for being a newb!!!
Waiter: Maybe she should sir. Maybe she should.
It can be justified.
Many businesses do it.
Installation fees
Credit card fees for people with no credit so they can build it
New member fees
I think it's horsesh-t. The market tells you whether it can be justified.
Not cross comparing to another industry.
A 25 yr old or 55 yr old, eager to start a journey through this path, who can't seem to get any responses to emails because he doesn't have any experience. Someone tells him to sign up for P411 and filter by Newbie Friendly, and instead of 5 women coming up close to him, it's everyone, but they all have a surcharge. You think he's not going to go for it?
Give it a few years and then maybe one day we will see on the Newbie board a repeated question "why is there a different rate for someone who is new?" And men/women will answer "well my dear, there's a risk involved in seeing someone for the first time so instead of not seeing them, some women started doing it a while ago, it's just how it works"
While pitching Betamax and HD-DVDs.
Your point is desperate guys will pay it.
I'm an ass but I've never felt desperate to get pussy.
I was a newbie once but I've never felt like a newbie or else that stage was too short for anyone to capitalize on.
Posted By: Cosette
A 25 yr old or 55 yr old, eager to start a journey through this path, who can't seem to get any responses to emails because he doesn't have any experience. Someone tells him to sign up for P411 and filter by Newbie Friendly, and instead of 5 women coming up close to him, it's everyone, but they all have a surcharge. You think he's not going to go for it?
Give it a few years and then maybe one day we will see on the Newbie board a repeated question "why is there a different rate for someone who is new?" And men/women will answer "well my dear, there's a risk involved in seeing someone for the first time so instead of not seeing them, some women started doing it a while ago, it's just how it works".
Apples & oranges.
It doesn't take any extra effort or time to serve a noob customer in a restaurant. It does take extra effort and time to screen a noob client.
Not saying I agree or disagree with an extra fee being tacked on for a noob client, but your analogy doesn't compare.
Posted By: JackDunphy
Newb diner: Well, no...this is my first time here.
Waiter: Great to have you with us, sir. In addition to our regular fare on our menu, our specials tonite are Steak Tartare and Foie Gras.
Newb diner: Excellent! Thank you so much.
Waiter: My pleasure sir. I do need to point out our different price structure for first timers though sir. Your meal will see an additional 20% fee due to your inexperience dining with us.
Newb diner: What? I didn't see that on your menu. Where is...
Waiter: Look at the bottom right of the menu sir, under the very fine print about an 18% gratuity included for parties of 10 or more.
Newb diner: It says there will be a 5% additional fee for the devastating effects of Obamacare. I dont see...
Waiter: No, beneath THAT too, sir...here is my magnifying glass...better?
Newb diner: Cripes...I'm oughta here douche! Even my hooker doesn't charge me extra for being a newb!!!
Waiter: Maybe she should sir. Maybe she should.
Even if I don't agree with the analogy either, still some pretty witty writing there!
Gotta love a sarcastic bastard with a dry wit!
Agreed. It was funny. Sorry, Jack. Didn't mean to sound like a killjoy.
Posted By: FoxyNC
Even if I don't agree with the analogy either, still some pretty witty writing there!
Gotta love a sarcastic bastard with a dry wit!
A certain provider wanted 50 dollars from me and 50 dollars from the perspective client. Now, she did not want the money directly. She wanted it donated to a foundation of some sort and to email the receipt! Lol! WTF?
I personally felt outraged and still do! The donation was to a charitable foundation of her choice, but seriously?
I can understand why she does it.
There's two particular ladies (and an assistant) that I've considered buying gifts for. They are both newbie-friendly (I'm not anymore) and I've had to contact them several times for client verification. They have never steered me wrong and are always so prompt, helpful and gracious each time. I feel at ease when that hotel room door opens because of them.
She gets pissed at me. She wants me to spend my time with her. I don't mind, she's by far my favorite and I like the attachment and see very few other ladies for special purposes. I'm not #437-oil change to her, it's much tighter than that.
So when I don't buy into the meat market attitude that sometimes permeates the board, tough. There are women out there that will deal with a client as a person and it restores my faith in some of you ladies who haven't become jaded and convinced that all the guys out there are just pricks who want nothing more than a piece of ass. Some of us want to know the whole package and will treat you a a real person if you return the attitude.
Some guys do just want that tail and that's all, YMMV and I'm not judging. I'm just saying don't judge me because I don't agree with your attitude.
would be very loud and widespread. No need to elaborate on that.
Hey Foxy,
Yes, I too am appalled at it. The chick I had just seen told me that she usually charges for a referral but since this was my first time using her as a referral, she would not charge for it.
So I never used her for a referral again. Strangely enough, I decided I would never see her again either. And I never did. Even after she texted me months later saying she needed money to pay the rent and did I want to have a date.
Funny how things like that sour a person to you. I do not understand why ladies do it, not at all.
I had never before and never since run into any lady charging a small donation for a referral. But have to agree with others, if there is something charged for it, it makes the referral tainted. It is a little thing called conflict of interest.
You said it as legally & technically precise as I wish to have expressed it to start.
Yes, appalling, indeed. And a conflict of interest.
How could anyone trust a paid for vote... I mean referral
I would pass on the referral from her and I doubt she would ever get my business again. I get P4P, but paying for a referral is just mercenary and seems wrong.
Posted By: FoxyNC
You said it as legally & technically precise as I wish to have expressed it to start.
Yes, appalling, indeed. And a conflict of interest.
How could anyone trust a paid for vote... I mean referral?
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If a client pays for a referral, it's bribery. Anyone who pays the bribe gains access to a provider. Sounds dangerous to me.
If the inquiring provider is asked to pay a fee for information on a potential client, she would probably expect that she would then learn something unpleasant about him. She wouldn't need to pay, she could assume it safer to pass altogether.
Either way, there is an element of dishonesty involved. Dishonesty and security never makes a good cocktail, no matter how you mix them.
A provider who thought in these terms could probably do a lot better as a lobbyist.
As if a few hundred an hour is not enough money....
There are some that want cancelation fees, deposits.
now this.
Greed and money grubbing folk will always exist in every arena.
I guess thier five seconds to ensure your safety by sendin a two second reference, is so precious they feel your actually such a lowly creature as to have to bow down to thier sheisty ass and pay. They must be super important and a legend,
IN THIER OWN MIN
My thoughts exactly! However, did you have to remind us that many providers think of us guys as "lowly creatures"?? It's pretty obvious to most of us guys without being reminded of it.
Posted By: angelexotic
As if a few hundred an hour is not enough money....
There are some that want cancelation fees, deposits.
now this.
Greed and money grubbing folk will always exist in every arena.
I guess thier five seconds to ensure your safety by sendin a two second reference, is so precious they feel your actually such a lowly creature as to have to bow down to thier sheisty ass and pay. They must be super important and a legend,
IN THIER OWN MIND>
