My last reviewer gave me a 10 in performance, and TER reduced it to an 8 before posting.
According to TER scoring guidelines, I am eligible for a 10 according to TER. The maximum is 7 unless the following are provided: Blow Job - without condom (+1), Kissing - with tongue (+1), Anal - Yes (+1), and Really Bi - Yes (+1) Certainly, anal with me consists of mutual rimming and then a sensual pegging, but that's plenty more anal than some "anal" sessions see. And even without anal, I am eligible for a 10 as someone who is bisexual. And even then, if anal only counts as the provider receiving more than a tongue or fingers, and bisexual only counts as having threesomes, I'm still eligible for a 9. So what gives?-- Modified on 5/15/2023 11:11:21 AM
As the person who gave Hextyn that review, everything they say above is 100% accurate. I gave them a 10 in performance, not an 8. Hextyn has always been a 10 for me and is one of my ATFs.
They definitely did give me a BBBJ, kissed me with tongue (a lot!), and probed me anally and allowed me to probe them. And I know they're Bi because we've had Bi sessions together.
So as Hextyn says "What gives, TER?" Of course, TER doesn't allow me to delete the review, but I should be able to edit it, which is not currently enabled.
FWIW, I have been a TER member for over 10 years and have posted 17 reviews. This is the first time something like this has happened to me.
TER support has updated the score to a 9, adding in BBBJ, but they still say we didn't have anal sex. I assume that their definition of "anal sex" only includes anal intercourse where the provider is the receptive party, although it doesn't say that in the guidelines.
For Anal, I point out that I rimmed her, that she rimmed me, fisted me and pegged me. My (still slightly sore, but very happy) anus disagrees with their assessment.
It's an arbitrary determination that TER has made, and it is part of what makes TER a bit outdated. But that 8 was personal lol
He gave you a '10.' That was his personal assessment based on *his* life: Once in a Lifetime. If you meet the criteria for an 8, after that it should be up to us whether you were a 9 or a 10. Just looking at your website, your services are rare, and while not unique, very hard to find. One could almost say that having sex with you, with your qualifications, is a OIAL experience.
I gave a provider a '9.' I've been doing this for quite some time and there are very few who would have qualified for that score... and she's one of them. Then knocked it down to an 8. Then they disallowed my post that was a reply to a shill for her but included a complaint about the score reduction. Here are links to the shill and the review. I DON'T GET IT. She was a 9 to me and nothing I've learned about TER scoring since has change that assessment.
This was the message: "My review is up: They slightly edited the text, AND, they reduce my Performance score by 1 point. SMH." I removed the criticism and they posted it.
And the review: http://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/detail/bonnie-review-by-vigerous-2481522
you being bi in general doesn't count.
But why did they decide to give me an 8? I knew my partner had an exceptional experience, and it was disappointing to see TER arbitrarily assign a number.
You only get the extra point for anal if YOU take the anal, not if you stick something in your customer's ass. The bisexual point usually occurs in a duo with another provider and the customer. TER only allows points for activities that are described in the session, not what is possible from your profile. The narrative describes DFK and BBBJ, but only HE got ass-fucked. Max score is therefore a 9, which is what the score is showing. If it was an 8, it has been changed to 9. If the reviewer didn't YOU received the anal, you don't get the point. It's not complicated.
With that said, "eligible for a 10" does not automatically mean the reviewer has to give you a ten. I have given a 9 for a session WITH anal, DFK, and BBBJ even though I COULD have given a 10, but the overall session was not worthy of the max score possible. Anal does not GET you a ten, it just puts you in a position to RECEIVE a ten if the reviewer feels you deserve it. You still have to work for it. There is no free lunch.
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But I want to know where they get off lowering my score to something arbitrary (ie the original 8 that they gave me). I get it, case closed, let's all move on, but also, that was kinda rude.
the BBBJ initially because it was near the end of the review. Usually, that's a foreplay activity and appears near the beginning. That might be what happened initially to get you to an 8. At least someone caught it and they gave you the right score.
The way the points are added up is not arbitrary, it's a formula. 7 is the max score for full service, but an enhancement point is possible for each of the following activities: DFK, BBBJ, anal, really-bi (duo with girl on girl action), and/or more than one guy (gang bang), UP TO A MAXIMUM OF 10 POINTS. Like I said earlier, it's still up to the reviewer if he/she wants to award you the maximum score possible, or some lesser number. Enhancement points beyond 7 are not a guarantee of a higher score, it only makes you eligible under the TER rules.
The guidelines for submitting reviews only says "Anal Sex". It does not specify what kind of anal sex or who gets penetrated by a penis. Getting penetrated by a tongue apparently doesn't count. What we did, by any rational definition, was "anal sex". TER either needs to clarify that in the guidelines or be a bit more open about what they say constitutes "anal sex".
by a tongue is called "rimming," and would never be considered anal sex by an experienced hobbyist. I appreciate you supporting your girl and showing your loyalty, but if you really believe rimming is the same as anal sex, you need to get more experience. Take a poll here if you want on whether rimming is anal sex or not, but you are not going to like the results in light of your own narrative.
When it comes to a review, anal sex means that the provider allowed your penis to penetrate her ass, not your tongue and not your finger. I challenge you to find a review (other than yours) where the reviewer claimed he got anal sex by sticking his tongue in the provider's ass, or that her shoving a rubber dick in his ass constituted anal sex.
Finally, here is a link to the official TER lexicon. Look at the definition of "anal." Do you still want to argue the point? Lol
I was under the impression that it just has to be on your profile, even if it doesn't happen. I have read reviews of gals with 10/10s all over the place and no mention of anal sex. I say that but it's been awhile. To me, I kind of think it's bull. You rate on how the experience made you feel. It shouldn't matter if you hit all those points. It comes out by reading the review. Because some people don't have that great of sex lives and to them an ordinary boink is off the charts. So let them be happy. I just really don't like the free membership for reviews. Why not free membership for board posts. Especially when someone made a comment that I need to fix something cuz some liar said I swallowed every last drop. How about he shouldn't lie. I think I am pretty vocal about things. But some of you guys take reviews as always true and that is not fact. I have had very good fake reviews. I still report them cuz it bugs me. How does it not sink in that giving free membership promotes fake reviews?
Steph,
The score is based on the reviewers actual experience, not the profile info which can become dated with no easy way to correct it. With some things it's YMMV obviously.
I see "over scoring" sometimes and I report it as a problem. I don't think I've ever had that type of problem report rejected.
for years, i.e., anal just had to be listed in your profile as available, but I think TER finally realized that they had scores of ladies getting 10-10's who had anal listed in their profile but the review narratives indicated that the anal service was not actually being delivered, so it was making a mockery of the review system. Anal is always YMMV anyway depending on how much sausage the guy is packing, so it makes perfect sense that the extra point should only be possible if it actually happens. I don't remember the year it changed, but it seems to be it was around the time they switched to the beta version of the website software. I could be wrong, so if someone knows a more exact date, feel free to correct me.
TER is a review site, that's what drives mongers to become members. Despite the presence of fake reviews and those that are so short they are worthless from an informational standpoint, TER reviews are still a better option for vetting providers than anything else out there. Posting here is an accommodation to the membership and generates no income for the company (TER), so there is already a free membership available that allows you to post. That's why there is a distinction between "regular" members and "VIP" members. Regular members get posting privileges, but VIP members (who receive a higher level of access) either pay for their expanded access or earn it by contributing reviews that meet TER's criteria. This is a business, not a charity.
I see your point about the reserved terminology. It's terminology that I usually use, just didn't on this one for whatever reason (probably because I was blown away). SMH. However, I take issue with your assumptions, in particular, those about my knowledge. I know the industry lingo, LOL. A look at any of my other reviews would have revealed this to you.
I would have thought they would reject it, not rescore it, seemingly on a whim. (It's been a while since we've had a girl around here who inspired a high number of reviews in a short time like she did.)
Following is the type of review that gets a girl a 9. After perusing, I found lots of 9s that are similar to this one. Which of our reviews read like we were having an *exceptional* time, compared to the other who was having fun with a girl who went the extra mile?:
"[Greeted] me in a skimpy pair of panties and bra. Immediate DFK--long, hard, hot. Continued this pretty much throughout our session. I had showered so skipped that and went right to the bed, kissing like two horny teens the whole time. Disrobed and went down BBBJ. Good, not great technique but she was doing her best! So sweet. Covered me up and rode CG, the mish, then doggy. After I popped, cuddled up, and got me hard again. Asked me for CIM -- took while but I obliged."
A 9?! That's ridiculous... Except that he says it was a 9. A quick search uncovered some really weird scoring practices on TER and some very well thought out methods to improve it.
Ok. I get that. Makes sense now. But there is still a problem w fake reviews.
This is a story where 9 is the correct number, and that's what I gave her, a '9.' I've been doing this for quite some time and there are very few from my past who would have qualified for that score... and she's one of them. TER then knocked it down to an 8 and lightly edited my General Details section.
After I noticed this, they disallowed my first post on questioning this practice: "My review is up: They slightly edited the text, AND, they reduce my Performance score by 1 point. SMH." I removed all but "my review is up," and they posted it.
I DON'T GET IT. Can I get some feedback? She was a 9 to me and nothing I've learned about TER scoring since has change that assessment.
And the review: http://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/detail/bonnie-review-by-vigerous-2481522
according to the "guidelines for review submission" which you should probably have a look at, the narrative of your review earned at least a 7 and possibly an 8, which they did gave you the benefit of the doubt. The base max score is a 7. You did not say you received DFK, which would have raised you max score one point, but it appears they did construe her oral services to be without a cover, so you got the point for that one, bringing your max total score to the 8 you received.
If you use the accepted acronyms in your reviews of BBBJ for a bareback blow job (no condom) and DFK (deep French kiss - kisses with tongue), it makes it much easier for the review moderators to score your review properly. The acronym lexicon is available in the "help" section. Maybe you should take a look. Bottom line, based on what you said happened, 8 was clearly the maximum score she was entitled to. You do a disservice to your providers by not knowing how the scoring works, because it's easy to inadvertently leave something out of your narrative which could have increased their score, as in this example you give. Learn the acronyms before you write your next review and all will be well.
I was cruzing the forums and came upon this one, and then recognized this thread, and then I read my replies, and then (Dude, Where's My Car) I noticed that I had replied to this post of yours two days later, but somehow put it in the wrong place. And then I realized I had obliquely referenced my response in a recent reply to you (couldn't tell you where), so I present it to you. My reply, repeated elsewhere in this thread, is, that's some shit talking down like that. Oops, no, I said it differently:
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I see your point about the reserved terminology. It's terminology that I usually use, just didn't on this one for whatever reason (probably because I was blown away). SMH. However, I take issue with your assumptions, in particular, those about my knowledge. I know the industry lingo, LOL. A look at any of my other reviews would have revealed this to you.
I would have thought they would reject it, not rescore it, seemingly on a whim. (It's been a while since we've had a girl around here who inspired a high number of reviews in a short time like she did.)
Following is the type of review that gets a girl a 9. After perusing, I found lots of 9s that are similar to this one. Which of our reviews read like we were having an *exceptional* time, compared to the other who was having fun with a girl who went the extra mile?:
"[Greeted] me in a skimpy pair of panties and bra. Immediate DFK--long, hard, hot. Continued this pretty much throughout our session. I had showered so skipped that and went right to the bed, kissing like two horny teens the whole time. Disrobed and went down BBBJ. Good, not great technique but she was doing her best! So sweet. Covered me up and rode CG, the mish, then doggy. After I popped, cuddled up, and got me hard again. Asked me for CIM -- took while but I obliged."
A 9?! That's ridiculous... Except that he says it was a 9. A quick search uncovered some really weird scoring practices on TER and some very well thought out methods to improve it. EDIT: So this guy gets his 9 posted for a pretty lame session as he describes it, and I, who said in my review I could forget it was a service, get downgraded to an 8. That's just fucked up. I doubt it even happens that much. I got an unlucky mod too lazy to do more than look for abbreviations for sex acts.
First of all, the TER should not be able to change stuff like that. And If I was you......I would be bitching about it.
"TER should not be able to change stuff like that?" LMAO. It's their site; they can do whatever the fuck they want. What's so hard to understand? They usually don't do anything when people bitch (especially when at least part of the bitching is because people didn't understand how the criteria work) so everyone should be very happy with this outcome.
I would be mocking you, but we have to take our entertainment where and when it comes, right? Lol
While I don't necessarily agree with the review ratings rules, I do submit problem reports when I see reviews that do not justify the performance score and TER admin will accept that and downgrade the score. That's how the system works.
This is a job for X-out-of-Y Scoring Man!
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X-out-of-Y scoring is a 10-out-of-10 suggestion.
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http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/ter-general-board-12/another-argument-in-support-of-x-out-of-y-scoring-1007113
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/ter-general-board-12/x-out-of-y-scoring-992113
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/ter-general-board-12/x-out-of-y-scoring-benefits-everyone-986768
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/ter-general-board-12/x-out-of-y-scoring-967407
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion-boards/ter-general-board-12/x-out-of-y-is-a-10-out-of-10-suggestion-928187
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and many, many more going back many years. TER!!! How about it? Update the scoring rules!!
My last reviewer gave me a 10 in performance, and TER reduced it to an 8 before posting.
According to TER scoring guidelines, I am eligible for a 10 according to TER. The maximum is 7 unless the following are provided: Blow Job - without condom (+1), Kissing - with tongue (+1), Anal - Yes (+1), and Really Bi - Yes (+1)
Certainly, anal with me consists of mutual rimming and then a sensual pegging, but that's plenty more anal than some "anal" sessions see. And even without anal, I am eligible for a 10 as someone who is bisexual. And even then, if anal only counts as the provider receiving more than a tongue or fingers, and bisexual only counts as having threesomes, I'm still eligible for a 9.
So what gives?
I agree with this.
We need a scoring system that allows the experience to be rated, not just the acts.
Given the changing world, TER rules are possibly too heteronormative for some activities and tastes to be accurately reflected.
Please accept input from your community, TER.
for subjectivity within the formula framework. Otherwise, you will have guys giving 10's for hand jobs at massage parlors and car-date blowjobs. Leaving some objectivity in the mix means more reviews will make sense when placed side by side.
If you see a TS provider and get DFK, BBBJ and anal, you can still give her a ten. How is that heteronormative. If anything, it's the opposite. The reality is that more TS providers allow anal than GG's do for that max possible score of 10. If they don't get a ten, it's for some other reason than the formula being stacked against them. It's not.
Correction: A "hand job at a massage parlor" or "car-date blowjob" would be eligible for a 7-out-of-7, not a plain 10. (Also eligible for a 2-out-of-7 if she scratched your dingus with a hangnail from her poor manicure.)
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The objectivity is in the Y. The subjectivity is in the X. The fairness and usefulness is in the X-out-of-Y score. I have had some FANTASTIC 7-out-of-7s. When scanning reviews, some might be more inclined to follow up with a 7-out-of-7 than a 7-out-of-10 because they aren't interested in all of the extras needed to qualify for the extra points.
for subjectivity within the formula framework. Otherwise, you will have guys giving 10's for hand jobs at massage parlors and car-date blowjobs. Leaving some objectivity in the mix means more reviews will make sense when placed side by side.
If you see a TS provider and get DFK, BBBJ and anal, you can still give her a ten. How is that heteronormative. If anything, it's the opposite. The reality is that more TS providers allow anal than GG's do for that max possible score of 10. If they don't get a ten, it's for some other reason than the formula being stacked against them. It's not.
When I said, "Otherwise . . . .", it means, "if there were ONLY subjectivity in grading and the present system is scrapped", then you would have guys giving higher scores than what are presently allowed for activities that are limited to a lower score under the present system. Then I gave two examples. Next time I will write it all out instead of saying "otherwise." Of all people, I especially want to make sure YOU understand my posts. Lol
I read it as, "The present system allows for subjectivity within the formula framework." which only allows for a SINGLE number and an implied or deduced or unspecified and often disputable objective maximum. Then, I took, "Otherwise, [using a DIFFERENT system, other than the present system, perhaps impposter's X-out-of-Y system] you will have guys giving 10's for hand jobs ...".
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I thought you misunderstood X-out-of-Y. Your "otherwise" = "other than the present system" was rather non-specific. I give it a 4-out-of-10 for clarity.
When I said, "Otherwise . . . .", it means, "if there were ONLY subjectivity in grading and the present system is scrapped", then you would have guys giving higher scores than what are presently allowed for activities that are limited to a lower score under the present system. Then I gave two examples. Next time I will write it all out instead of saying "otherwise." Of all people, I especially want to make sure YOU understand my posts. Lol
Judge #4 - Is that Rudy Giuliani?! 
TER scores? Pffft - Except for those that want perfect 10s - Then it's like the high school senior that had perfect attendance until one day the school bus was late / broke down, so they lost their award status. 'Double Pffft!'
As a 10 inch performance.