If she's listed and reviewed, she's fair game for discussion.  

If you have FIRST HAND knowledge of a "dangerous" situation, then you can RAP and the admins can determine if it should stay up or not. Otherwise, throwing a blanket on the crowd is not a good idea on a site which is designed for hobbyists to exchange and share information.  

If you don't have the answer for the 411, skip it. Someone else may. Why would you want to deprive sparkplug and Allie of a reunion?

TER policy appears correct to me as well.

However there was discussion a while back and hobbyists that participated were in violent agreement that we would never give out information on ladies who were no longer active (no ads or who had announced their departure).

I believe that the vast majority here are truly mindful of providers' safety and privacy.

Realize that voluntary ban is not the same as imposed ban, but hope this helps.

If Allie is avoiding sparkplug that is between them. She can post underneath him and tell him to fuck off. Who are you to tell a member here that they cannot post an inquiry? Seriously!    

Out of the hundreds of ISO's and similar posts, are you going to sit there like a clairvoyant and try to determine the OP's motives? That sounds like what you are trying to do in this instance. Are 100% of them going to be happy hobbyists searching out that spectacular provider that he lost contact with 6 months ago? Of course not, but you can't expect TER to not allow such posts because .05% may not be with the best intentions.

What's absurd is that you want those type of posts eliminated. It's not going to happen. What do you think the ISO board is? It stands for In Search Of. We are permitted to inquire on the boards about a provider's availability, services, attitude, hair color, pussy hair and the whole enchilada. If someone abuses a reply, then you can RAP.  

If a provider doesn't want to be here they can have their reviews be deleted and they won't have to worry about being discussed.  

Why don't you be a sport and wish ole sparky some luck in finding his girl.

...same issue.  Most of the posters were providers.  One exception was YOU, Panthera.

It seems that you're stuck on the point that if a provider's TER profile is still up, then she's fair game regardless of whether there's no ad link or contact info.

Maybe Allie and others who disappear simply forget to remove their profile or don't believe it can be removed.  Maybe TER refused to remove the profile.  Just because a TER profile remains does not mean you should give someone carte blanche to invade a provider's privacy or be a stalker.

That usually puts an end to the thread, embarrasses the OP and no one else responds.  Whenever you see one of those ISO threads for a provider who doesn't want to be found, simply link to Erica's thread.

Here's a suggestion for TER - if there is no ad link and no contact info in a provider's profile, the profile should be placed in "limbo" and removed, perhaps leaving just her name and ID no. instead of: "That provider's information can no longer be found on TER" when a provider is de-listed.

My answer hasn't deviated. Yes, I did notice that YOU had tried to prevent other hobbyists from getting their inquires answered, but no surprise there.

These are ISO posts that we are talking about, not ninjas or the NSA.  

You are now trying to imply that I condone the outing of a provider in hiding or retirement. That is not the case. I also don't condone the outing of any personal information that is out of bounds.  

You don't like the .05? Perhaps you have some statistics to prove otherwise. I have admitted that there is a chance of a bad apple, what more do you want?  
You CHOSE this way of life that is illegal with risks. ISO posts on a fuck board where we have all congregated should be the least of your worries.  

Since the beginning of TER there have been ISO posts. Hobbyists and providers have a choice to answer them or not answer them.

And I don't mean just for the ladies. I don't think that someone who is being ignored should be treated the same as a gentleman who is simply looking for a companion that meets his criteria.  

Let's say that a lady comes on here and says "I've been trying to get a hold of JoeHobbyHo, but he's not responding to my emails or texts. Does anyone know how to get in touch with him or where he is?"  My guess is that most gentlemen would not want this information shared. My guess is that most would have a reason for ignoring the lady, and wouldn't want anyone egging this at best stranger that he doesn't want to speak to, at worst trouble maker, on.  

I think that the ladies are trying to say that this goes beyond hanging a sign saying "open for business", and moves into a more personal territory in this situation. Active girls do not hide themselves. If a suitor cannot find her information via a google or verification website search, then she is probably just not interested in entertaining new friends at this time, and no one needs to know more than that. If he could, and she has ignored or stopped communication, remember that she is turning away a paying customer, and likely has a good enough reason for her.  

It is hard to imagine nefarious intent behind these posts when you are a good guy, and I do believe a good number of these posts come from a genuine place after a girl retires, but the unfortunate truth is that the ladies have met a lot of people, and some that they need to worry about. You don't know who the person behind the handle is, but she may. And i know most of us would feel awful if we inadvertently did a girl harm, which very well could happen if her privacy is not respected. The same as you. An open call for suggestions is one thing, but when it becomes more specific and personal, as are the posts we are discussing, all the ladies are asking is that you grant them the same discretion that you ask for

However, the OP wants to eliminate ISO posts all together which is ridiculous. Just take look at the link she supplied while making her post. In that link one helpful hobbyist pointed out that the provider he was seeking out was logged into her P411 account a few days ago so hopefully the information that was posted helped both the hobbyist and provider.  

It goes without saying that any personal information should not be posted on the boards. When there is personal info posted it is not from an ISO post, but usually from a pissed off provider ranting about being wronged. I have seen it many times over the last dozen years here.

The OP has stated multiple times that she is only interested in a very specific type of in search of post, those regarding inactive providers, and those in which the gentleman is being ignored and/or seems to be trying to circumvent typical search options. This is the discussion she, and others, are having. Now, could one make the slippery slope argument? You're always free to, but I don't think it's very applicable here.  

While the gentleman who posted that thread may very well not know how to search on any of the available websites, he may also very well have been blocked as far as she could because she no longer wishes to have contact with him. That is all that the OP and any of the other ladies are saying. What seems like a very innocent question may not be, and unfortunately most do not understand this until they have an encounter with someone with bad intentions. Something nearly every woman can, sadly, share a story of on some level. You do not know what was shared through private messages, and you do not know if knowing that she was active was all he needed for his (hypothetical) malintent. That's all I and the other ladies are trying to express: sometimes what you think is helpful really isn't, and that we would appreciate if the community listened to us, the only people who know the true extent of what damage can be done to us, and the people that have to deal with the repercussions of these sorts of posts. Even you are aware that there can be disastrous consequences, the only difference seems to be that some of us care, and others don't. Some just need to see it to believe it, I suppose.  

I feel badly for the poster who's being made a talking point. Unfortunately for the ladies, a level of healthy paranoia is necessary, and sometimes for the sake of safety, innocent things can be looked upon too harshly. Experience is a hell of a teacher.  

As far as who posts more personal information, I don't think you can accurately state either way what kind of information is shared, or at what frequency in what medium, between two people you don't  know across the vast playing field of the Internet. I don't  think that pertains to this particular discussion either, but I'm sure if you wanted to start a new thread, you could get something going. It'd almost certainly provide some interesting responses

As far as what is shared privately, that is not the issue. That cannot be stopped and your can't relate it to an innocent post either. If you don't like the ISO posts, don't answer them or ignore them. Simple. You or the OP can't tell a hobbyist that he can't ask for help in finding a provider, especially if he is a paying member of this site. It bucks in the face of TER's intent and purpose.

BTW, if she doesn't want to be contacted, she won't be or she can chose to answer or not. It's the provider's choice, not the OP's, yours or mine.    

 

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She, and others, have made it very clear that individual in search of posts may not always have good intentions. A google search is much faster, easier, and more reliable than a post here, so why not go that route?

Do you know that all posts of this nature are innocent? If a girl wishes not to be contacted, or to ignore someone, do you think someone should be able to try and go around that? Do you disagree that even a kind hearted "she's gone back to school!" Can implicate someone who is otherwise trying to leave this world behind? And if she has chosen not to be contacted by changing her email or phone number, wouldn't passing that information along to a random inquirer be ignoring the choice she has made?  

I do not particularly care one way or another, just think it's an interesting chicken or the egg discussion

1. It is not your choice to stop ISO posts. It is a bad idea.
2. It is not your choice to stop replies to ISO posts. It is a bad idea.
3. What I said was it is the provider's choice to ANSWER a hobbyist or not. The provider being the subject of the 411.  

WTF does "make herself scarce" mean? How would you know if a provider does or doesn't want business, or does or does not want to be found? Is it any business of yours? Heather doesn't want anyone on TER to make an ISO post. There are hundreds of them every year for many different providers and they have been around since the beginning of TER.      

Your opinion is more important? Get over yourself honey. You are calling me potentially dangerous? Go fuck yourself!  

You already have your answer from TER. Get over it. If you don't like it, then you can make yourself "scarce".

...simplify this as much as possible since you seem to be simple to grasp the concept.

Just because a provider has a TER profile does not mean she is active.  She could have disappeared but TER refuses to remove her profile because TER has a vested interest in having as many profiles as possible to show hobbyists what a great resource it is.

If none of the contact info in a profile is valid (bad website links, disconnected phone nos. and Mailer-Daemon responses to emails) wouldn't you get the hint that the provider doesn't want to be contacted?  Why would you post an ISO asking how to contact her?

How many times have you reported a bad website, bad phone no. or a bad email addy to TER?  Perhaps if you do, there would be fewer ISO posts (and you'd get lots of free VIP days).  Disappearing providers do share the blame here as well because they should tell TER when they are taking down their websites and disconnecting their phone nos.

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