Hard to decide who to root against. Can they both lose?

in my lifetime, they have been a legit threat once, and the steelers went and wrecked carson palmers knee and career ( no accident) to make sure that didn't last.

They did go to the SuperBowl both of those years, even though the niner's beat them both times.

Cincy is my front yard and I have "ties" to Pukesburgh.

I love a 2 tightend system. Nuff said

Boomer Esiason. Ring a bell? Lol

enjoyed 2 tightends.

 
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81 I wasn't born, 88 I was in diapers

if boomer is your teams claim to fame...yikes!!! yeah I know who he is, and I am not impressed.

It's well and good to accuse Kimo Von Oelhoffen of intentionally taking out Carson Palmer's knee, but you ought to get the facts straight.  

Number one, Von Oelhoffen had ZERO reputation as a dirty player. NONE. He was known around the NFL as a high motor player (think former Steeler player Aaron Smith) . This is not Ndamukong Suh who would not be given the benefit of the doubt. Number two, a pass rush is a few seconds at an extremely high speed. Von Oelhoffen cut through two lineman, and as he was loosing his balance was pushed along by one of them. If you are going to argue that in a nano second, he could have twisted his body away from Palmer's leg, then your not understanding how fast these guys move.  Number three, after the game, while the Bengal players were upset at loosing Palmer (and the game), the vast majority outwardly admitted that there was NO intent to injure. Nor was there any outcry that this was even a reckless act that caused an injury. Von Oelhoffen was a former Bengal player and as noted, was well respected around the league. He was sickened and saddened after the game by what happened to Palmer.  When players move at a high speed injuries occur. There was ZERO intent on his part to injure Palmer. It was an unfortunate result from an un-intentional, non-reckless football play.  

Moreover, to your second, point, how exactly did the hit wreck Palmer's career?? In the two seasons AFTER hurting his knee (2006 and 2007), Palmer threw for 54 touchdown passes and averaged about 4,100 passing yards a season. Those are Pro Bowl caliber numbers.  The hit by Oelhoffen had ZERO effect on Palmer's career. What killed Palmer's career is that the team (in particular the offensive line) deteriorated around him.    

 

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Damn, I must be old because the 80's seem like yesterday to me. lol

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as for the first point, I can respect all views on that. to me, I have seen guys, in that same split second, avoid contact or make a minimal impact, many times. I truly believe that he went directly at the knees on purpose. I felt that way when it happened, and I still do to this day. I also believe many of those same bengals players would tell a different story if they had been approached off the record. a lot of guys just don't want to be the one to make such bold statements. while the game does move VERY fast, if you play, which I did to a certain level, you learn to react extremely quick...whether it be a ball in the air, a blind side pass rush, a loose ball on the ground, a running back trying to juke...you react in less than a second or you are standing there looking stupid. his play wasn't clay Matthews obvious, but I will forever believe that, as you said, his former team, the sad little brother of the division, was going to beat his new team, the almighty Pittsburgh steelers.

the second part, well, success cannot be measured in stats. tony romo puts up monster stats. carson palmer has not been the same player since that day. he was a Heisman trophy winning, number 1 overall pick that had just led the lowly bengals to a division title. now, is he a top 20 qb? I wouldn't say so.  I don't take the rapid decline of carson palmer as a qb at that exact moment as a cute coincidence.

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ain't touchin(literally) that one lol

That's Palmer's shortcoming though, isn't it?  

Good leader, good arm, bad decision maker (especially in 4th)...  

Look at first game with Cardinals this season...

the Steel Curtain has turned into a lace version..

each tightend has an associated pussy and pair of ta-ta's

 
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e Steeler defense has played well enough in both games to put the team in a position to win. Giving up 16 and 20 points respectively is a solid defensive effort. The only thing missing so far is generating turnovers. Once those happen, they'll put the Steeler offense in better spots to make scoring plays. Considering the defense has been on the field more minutes than it should be, no complaints from their effort.

Obviously, the problem to date with the Steelers is the offense (which has been downright offensive)  You can't score 19 points in two games combined and expect to beat anyone. For one, they miss Heath Miller. Not only is he their most reliable pass catcher, but he is a tremendous run blocker. Just a solid player. Sanders/Brown are good receivers, but each has to play better. They might not be as good as the Steelers had hoped. Maybe they'll miss Mike Wallace more than they realized. We'll wait and see.   The running game is in shambles. They are just throwing interchangeable mediocre runners out there in the hopes someone gets hot during the game. No rhythm or continuity to their attack. I have no idea if rookie Le' Veon Bell is the answer, but he will be given every opportunity (and then more carries after that) to prove himself. Loosing Pouncey for the year is tough blow, but he's missed time before and they've been able to play okay. It's really time for a few of the young offensive lineman to grow up and sit at the proverbial adult table.

never thought much of his decision making. don't know that there was a change in that post injury. although maybe the fear of the injury happening again could cause hurried, inaccurate throws

bad choices catch up to all teams, even the once powerful.

Wallace should have been kept. brown is not ever going to be a #1 wr. sanders should be a #4. wheaton has no catches in 2 games, clearly the team thinks he isn't ready. they let santonio holmes go for I think a 5th rounder a few years back. mendenhall should be around to work bell into a starting role before giving him the keys to the car next year. redman and dwyer were awful last year, yet still around this year with no history of prior success, yet mendy is the team single season record holder and was allowed to walk? felix jones? lmao. big ben loses as many as he wins. he was awful in 1 sb win, and average at best in the other. he holds the ball too long, takes too many sacks, and makes bad choices both on and off the field. yet they have not even attempted to go in another direction yet.  

polamalu lives on reputation. he is old, injury prone and no longer a playmaker. ike taylor was exposed by tebow. enough said. Harrison is gone, farrior retired...and the lbs are no longer a top lb corp.  

just my opinion, but I think the ravens will rebuild faster than the steelers, and as long as cincy has aj green, gio Bernard, Gresham, eiffert and a very solid defense, Pittsburgh seems to be in for a long few seasons

et's see, Ben is 87-41 for a .677 winning percentage. In the HISTORY of professional football, only Brady, Staubach, Montana and Peyton have a higher winning percentage....Yeah, that sounds exactly like a QB who "loses as many as he wins".  He also won the most games of any QB in history in his first five regular seasons (51). He holds MANY MANY NFL records.  

Ben's postseason Numbers: He is 10-4 in the postseason (two SB titles). Of QB's with 10 postseason starts he ranks 6th in winning percentage. And, his 10 postseason wins ranks him 8th ALL TIME. Again, this sounds like a QB who "loses as many as he wins"

Part of what makes Roethlisberger an elite/franchise QB is that he is willing to hold on to the ball or run around in and out of the pocket and sometimes take a few sacks all with the trade off of making a big play. That's who he is and its a unique style that has served them well over the past decade. And while he didn't play great in his first SB, he's the reason they got to the Super Bowl as he played very well in the 3 playoff games leading up to it. The Second SB, I think he was a little more than " average at best"....leading your team down the field on a game winning drive raises you to a higher standard. (see Eli Manning in his first SB win)
 
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I never said the steelers lose as many as they win. I said ben does. as in when the game is ont he line, he makes as many bad choices that cost them games as he does great plays to win them. you think his w/l might influenced by james Harrison? troy polamalu? lamarr Woodley? james farrior? ryan clark? mike tomlin? santonio holmes? mike Wallace?...I mean come on. he wasn't very good at all in the 1st sb, actually was borderline awful. if it wasn't for the fact that seattle had no business there, they might have lost to a real team. the 2nd time...warner outgunned him all night. he made a good drive at the end, yes, but a good game that does not make. he has always had great teammates, great coaching and very good executives/owners. he is far from elite. most steelers fan see this. hell terry bradshaw won 4 super bowls and he had 5 seasons of more ints than tds, and had 2 more tds than ints for his whole career. terry bradshaw sucked. super bowl wins don't tell the whole story of greatness, neither do any other wins. football is a team game and 1 player does not win alone very often. one of those records he holds, in fact, is WORST passer rating ever for a sb winning qb. ouch.  

they have to spend 1st round picks on olineman to protect ben because he is a hazard to himself. they could have gotten some playmakers if they weren't forced to draft protection, and then, maybe, just maybe, they would have a playoff caliber team before 2017

also, eli manning was better in his 2nd super bowl, and the last drive was far less fluky that time around too