It's a look at the fight through the eyes of Joe Frazier. I felt it tarnished the image of Ali somewhat. I didn't realize the hate between them ran so deeply.
I've watched it a couple of times and didn't really feel like it was so one sided. Hate will eat a person alive inside and Joe just needs to let it go. It probably wasn't possible to interview Ali anyway due to his advanced "state." My folks went to the Kentucky Derby back in the 80's and sat right behind Ali. I vividly remember Mom telling me, "That is one handsome black man!"
I saw it as well and it was simply outstandirang. The animosity was clear with Joe...It was sad to see that Joe doesn't have a lot of money left over from his boxing days. It's a shame that the greats usually end up like that.
I long for the golden age of boxing...Ali, Foreman, Frazier. None of the chumps today can hold these great's jock straps.
Thrilla in Manila is in stark contrast to the documentary "When We Were Kings" which was about the Foreman-Ali fight in Africa. In that documentary, Ali is revered by everyone, including Norman Mailer and George Plimpton. But in Thrilla Ali is portrayed as a guy who was used by The Nation of Islam and turned on Joe Frazier (who befriended and helped him), in the nastiest of ways. It's a much different impression of Ali.
Ali did indeed have a mean streak even before Joe Frazier; remember his fights with Floyd Patterson and Ernie Terrell when he carried both fighters the distance so he could basically beat both up and taunt them with "what's my name" and other things because they wouldn't call him by his adopted Muslim name. We old timers will recall that Ali was pretty much a hated man in this country during his first championship years(1964-1967) When he was allowed to resume boxing in 1970 the mood had changed concerning the Vietnam War and the right to dissent. Also, Ali and then later George Foreman learned to rally not only blacks but also whites behind them. Strangely enough, Ali created this dichotomy by painting Frazier as an Uncle Tom to blacks but at the same time alienating whites from Frazier by relying on racial stereotypes normally employed by whites against blacks at the time; i.e. referring to Frazier as a gorilla and ugly and stupid. Whether you love him or hate him, Ali has to go down as the most significant athlete of the 60's and 70's and possibly of all time rivalled by Jessie Owens and Jackie Robinson in terms of sociological importance.
is actually well deserved, as Ali was a complete asshole at the time. Ali was a truly great fighter who took pride in humiliating his opponents, and I've always thought he was a complete loser as a person. Initially, his barbs were mild and funny, but they quickly developed a meaness that got worse and worse as time went on. I was happy when Frazier beat him, and was thrilled when Norton broke his jaw. I've never understood why he's idolized so much around the world, because to me he personifies much of what is wrong about sports. In a sense, his current condition is his punishment for his past behavior.
I do believe that Ali is the greatest of all time but you have to give credit to Manny Pacquiao who has kicked butt in so many different weight classes.
I agree with you that Joe has every reason to be pissed at Ali. But the reason why Ali is so idolized today is what he gave up. Today's athlete would not have given up what he did. They are all about the money? I respect Ali for his stance and wished more people had the stones he has. Now I was and still a Joe Frazier fan being from Philly but I have the most repect for Ali for his views and his talent. I wished that his voice was not silent because he is a very smart man
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