I'm not sure you're winning the Nobel Prize for Economics just yet...
While the supply may be disrupted in the meantime, there is going to be more competition for the demand, thus driving prices down....IMHO...but what do I know...
So what does the other site being shutdown mean? In simple terms the local hobby has lost it's market, so what happens to pricing? Me thinks it's a buyers market until there's some effective way to advertise. I'm feeling a loss w/ the site being taken down as many others probably are. Especially sad about the loss of reviews...c'est la vie....
I am a provider.... I am saying that one of the MAIN reasons prices were so low on the other board was the influx of women from the low end sell your ass and a car site...and it drove things down...
This site has always had higher or mostly higher priced/different type/class whatever of providers. SO I think that women who now have to PAY for ads will raise rates to cover that extra overhead...
I think that the providers here are going to see that the other women have a sort of going rate... and they will hop on that bus...
I think that guys will find it harder or a bit harder to see providers who now are screening and being careful and more picky... so the supply will decrease, but the want and desire will still remain the same... so in turn the providers will be the ones with the market in their favor....
I am a provider.... I am saying that one of the MAIN reasons prices were so low on the other board was the influx of women from the low end sell your ass and a car site...and it drove things down...
This site has always had higher or mostly higher priced/different type/class whatever of providers. SO I think that women who now have to PAY for ads will raise rates to cover that extra overhead...
I think that the providers here are going to see that the other women have a sort of going rate... and they will hop on that bus...
I think that guys will find it harder or a bit harder to see providers who now are screening and being careful and more picky... so the supply will decrease, but the want and desire will still remain the same... so in turn the providers will be the ones with the market in their favor....
And the influx of idiots and pimps advertising in the PB will stop, or have stopped. YOU Ms. CK had the best lines to those idiots. They will have nowhere to show their ignorance. The cost of ads will eliminate most of the riffraff and the street prices will be back in the streets, and no more 25 BNG and 45 car dates on the escort side.
I am a provider.... I am saying that one of the MAIN reasons prices were so low on the other board was the influx of women from the low end sell your ass and a car site...and it drove things down...
This site has always had higher or mostly higher priced/different type/class whatever of providers. SO I think that women who now have to PAY for ads will raise rates to cover that extra overhead...
I think that the providers here are going to see that the other women have a sort of going rate... and they will hop on that bus...
I think that guys will find it harder or a bit harder to see providers who now are screening and being careful and more picky... so the supply will decrease, but the want and desire will still remain the same... so in turn the providers will be the ones with the market in their favor....
And the influx of idiots and pimps advertising in the PB will stop, or have stopped. YOU Ms. CK had the best lines to those idiots. They will have nowhere to show their ignorance. The cost of ads will eliminate most of the riffraff and the street prices will be back in the streets, and no more 25 BNG and 45 car dates on the escort side.
I agree w Caitlyn. Established providers are not much affected by the shutdown of RB. Regular clients do not care which website is or is not in operation. They have found their favorite lady and stay in touch with her by phone and email. Those clients who like to see a variety of ladies will figure out how to find and contact the provider they want to see. They they will be screened. Screening on RB is no longer possible, but there are other ways to screen. Rates are going to stay the same or go up.
I am a provider.... I am saying that one of the MAIN reasons prices were so low on the other board was the influx of women from the low end sell your ass and a car site...and it drove things down...
This site has always had higher or mostly higher priced/different type/class whatever of providers. SO I think that women who now have to PAY for ads will raise rates to cover that extra overhead...
I think that the providers here are going to see that the other women have a sort of going rate... and they will hop on that bus...
I think that guys will find it harder or a bit harder to see providers who now are screening and being careful and more picky... so the supply will decrease, but the want and desire will still remain the same... so in turn the providers will be the ones with the market in their favor....
I agree... I also think there was such a downward spiral no one person could change it or convince others to change it. This is like a clean slate. I personally raised my rates by $15 and $20. I feel that business is going to dramatically decrease as the risks increase.
Every provider I have talked to agrees that the rates should go up.
How are they going to tighten up their screening process? As I remember providers who screened wanted at least 2 verifiable references and some required highly reviewed references. How are you going to check this? Are you now going to limit your required references to only providers that you know?
Basic economic theory of supply and demand should mean pricing will go up. The supply, at least convenient access by means of ads, for now, has drastically shrunk. Demand remains the same.
Reviews particularly FBSM were worthless. Actually in the case of FBSM reviews were harmful because they were so inflated by lapdogs and not close to reality at all like bait&switch. The ads are the only thing I miss about that other site.
I'm not sure you're winning the Nobel Prize for Economics just yet...
While the supply may be disrupted in the meantime, there is going to be more competition for the demand, thus driving prices down....IMHO...but what do I know...
Why would there be more competition for demand? Here's an example. There were a lot of new young talent at that other site charging $200/hour. If they put up an ad here, don't you think they could more?
I will miss those ads. It's going to be tougher finding new young talent
the lower sites for a bit.... and prob be so desperate like they were back before the other site made them feel like a golden egg, that they will go down in rates...
so those women may go down, while the ones with a business head rates will increase
Basic economic theory of supply and demand should mean pricing will go up. The supply, at least convenient access by means of ads, for now, has drastically shrunk. Demand remains the same.
Reviews particularly FBSM were worthless. Actually in the case of FBSM reviews were harmful because they were so inflated by lapdogs and not close to reality at all like bait&switch. The ads are the only thing I miss about that other site.
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catlover is still bitter about being asked to leave the fbsm forum. come on man, get over it. This is not very Alpha maleish.
Price may go up for those who only see "proven" providers in the middle or high end range. OTH there should not be much change to the lower-end of the biz. The lower-end providers will just take their ads to BP or walk a little more on the stroll (many were already doing both even before 6/25)
Somebody said supply will fall as demand remains steady? maybe for the short term but the way the free market works is some hobbyists will simply drop down to the lower end or hobby less.
Or we'll just take a little more chance with lower priced providers!
No reviews to determine whether the provider will be a hit or miss or for that matter if it is a sting. Just because the other site has been taken down does not mean that LE stopped setting up stings. Better to wait till things settle down before getting back into the game.
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Where should I place my ad to get the most exposure? Every hour the my ad is not up I lose potential calls End of the month and my rent is due.
These are things to consider. Whether it result in a buyers or sellers market will be determine by the person's needs. But I believe this whole situation is going to hurt providers more than hobbyist because of the turmoil and may take some time before it settles down
you sent out a newsletter from your site or emailed all your old clients and any men who may have contacted you to remind them your ok and here is your info since they cant get it from there now lo
What if you don't have a site? Have you determined that's ok for you to send out an unsolicited email to your clients? The amount of exposure is limited at best, otherwise provider would not need to advertise at all.
You're an individual example. I say again, what of the providers who don't have a website and client list to fall back on?
Creating a website takes time and you also need to advertise that website. And going through your client list is limited at best.
This is a game of attrition and I think providers have the most to lose because this is a source of income and not an expenditure.
What advise do you have to other providers in order to increase the exposure of their ad? That's what determines the number of new and potential clients.
Well put. First of all for the short term overall business volume will be down.
Think about it:
The hobbyists may grumble about their blue ball and see Rosie Palm more often but they'll get used to it.
OTH the providers who depends on the cash to pay their rent and bills will be the one TRULY hurt by the decrease in business. They will start getting behind and the interests and penalties on those bills will start to accumulate. If they're smart they'd get in touch with their previous clients and offer discounts to lure them in. For, in the short term they can only count on returning regulars mostly!
Somehow I'm not seeing the whole buyer's market thing. In a way (not to be disparaging of a site that I genuinely enjoyed these many years) it's kind of like the flea market got shut down, now we all have to shop at the regular stores. (Overgeneralization and a very inexact analogy, but I think the effects might be similar.)
The place I see it perhaps becoming more of a buyer's market is if some of the "cheap ad" ladies, including those who used to advertize on CL ERS, go back to the street and offering up street prices. Don't know if that'll happen much - my guess would be just a little of that happening. But I'm no street action guru.
Thinkin' a bit more on it (yeah, I'm a moron!) I wonder if it doesn't just shrink the supply - ladies who don't know where to go or just give up in the face of all this - and thereby bump go the prices. (Certainly hope not, don't wish the ladies to be impoverished, but I'm selfish 'nuff to want mo fo less )
I think the low end providers will have a rough time initially, some will be driven back to the streets where they will be rounded up by LE. Some will get hungry while waiting for the phone to ring. Eventually there will far fewer of them. Prices will go down in desperation initially, and then back up as the supply decreases. The other site gave them a quick and easy tool for guys to search and then review dozens of ads before making a decision. There will be a lot less impulsive/spur of the moment appointments.
The mid range girls will still have their regulars and after the initial scare, which I'm sure has kept some guys away, they should be OK for a while, but the volume of new clients will be decreased and over time the mid range girls will get hungry, look for SD arrangements, and/or try some traditional but less lucrative employment.
The high end girls will not be affected. They are not that busy because there aren't many guys looking to spend $500-$2K per appointment. Some new or stuggling providers will try in desperation to be high end, but it's not easy to sustain that type of business.
Without reviews and the ability to specify a search for exactly what I'm looking for, it's just not practical to spend huge amounts of time searching for new girls. Sadly, my addiction to the other site has been forced into detox/rehab and there is no comparable replacement.
I'm sure someone is working on starting up myrb2.com, there's just too much demand for what Red created.
I agree very much with what Max209 has posted here:
Posted By: max209
I think the low end providers will have a rough time initially, some will be driven back to the streets where they will be rounded up by LE. Some will get hungry while waiting for the phone to ring. Eventually there will far fewer of them. Prices will go down in desperation initially, and then back up as the supply decreases. The other site gave them a quick and easy tool for guys to search and then review dozens of ads before making a decision. There will be a lot less impulsive/spur of the moment appointments.
The mid range girls will still have their regulars and after the initial scare, which I'm sure has kept some guys away, they should be OK for a while, but the volume of new clients will be decreased and over time the mid range girls will get hungry, look for SD arrangements, and/or try some traditional but less lucrative employment.
The high end girls will not be affected. They are not that busy because there aren't many guys looking to spend $500-$2K per appointment. Some new or stuggling providers will try in desperation to be high end, but it's not easy to sustain that type of business.
Without reviews and the ability to specify a search for exactly what I'm looking for, it's just not practical to spend huge amounts of time searching for new girls. Sadly, my addiction to the other site has been forced into detox/rehab and there is no comparable replacement.
I'm sure someone is working on starting up myrb2.com, there's just too much demand for what Red created.
I am still in mourning for the other site, even for its perverse (at times) comraderie. I miss the discussion boards, and I had saved some of my favorite posts and private communications with the ladies and some friendly members. This is all gone now. The other site deserves a proper funeral and there should be a well-deserved pox placed on the authorities. There are some ladies who are favorites who I still will contact, but this week has been one heckuva bummer!!!
I saw a client this a.m. and seeing another. Charging my same fees and they are happy to pay. So not sure how valid your point is...
Posted By: Vorty
So what does the other site being shutdown mean? In simple terms the local hobby has lost it's market, so what happens to pricing? Me thinks it's a buyers market until there's some effective way to advertise. I'm feeling a loss w/ the site being taken down as many others probably are. Especially sad about the loss of reviews...c'est la vie....
Is his premise invalidated because of one individual's experience or instance? Will the general population of providers achieve the same results? It's too early to determine whether this is a buyers or sellers market, but as whole I believe this incident will be financially disruptive to many providers.
Is his premise invalidated because of one individual's experience or instance? Will the general population of providers achieve the same results? It's too early to determine whether this is a buyers or sellers market, but as whole I believe this incident will be financially disruptive to many providers.
I have to agree with this.
And I might add that I do think that in the short term pricing may fluctuate within certain segments of this business. The ones who are established with a sizable client list and have other avenues of advertising may not feel the pinch of the other site shutting down. However, I think that the part-timers or the ones who solely relied on that other site might find it a little more difficult until things settle down a bit.
Agreed, established providers with dependable regulars will be the least affected. I also thing the budget providers will be the first to rebound. It's the middle class that will be hardest hit.
That is great news, but you are an established provider with a great reputation. The question is what comes next, with the loss of reviews and advertising from the lost site, the cautious client now has less places to go to fell safe in taking the plunge so to speak. And I mean no disrespect in my comments but a site which catered to the Bay Area for the last 15 years is gone and there is going to be quite a bit of disruption in the trade due to that fact.
You guys - always trying to spin the circumstances in to lower rates and 'a buyers market'. It's old and tired nonsense. The ladies each have a solid list of regulars. They will be fine. They won't miss a beat. Dream on Vorty. Dream on.
The ladies you're referring to are typically considered GPS and are mostly MILFs. Sure they have their regulars but are those regulars enough to keep them afloat without an influx of new clients? it's doubtful the guys who have been ignoring them in the other site so far will suddenly flood into these providers. And if these providers try to raise price that will be a serious business mistake. If not grandfathered they would offend their faithful regulars. The dearth of new clients will be even less inclined to try out something new AND expensive!
This is a really fascinating question, and a chance to study micro-economics in action.
My prediction is that, at first, providers will see volume drop, so they'll think about increasing prices to make up for it. This is, of course, counter-intuitive and for the more popular gals with many regulars to fall back on, this will actually work in the short run. But reality will set in eventually, and we'll see more "specials" when the rent is due. The primary factor is not economic but psychological, in that providers often ascribe feelings of self-esteem to their pricing level and hobbyists will shy from higher pricing because of the increased risk from not having reliable reviews.
One interesting development is how all the top Korean AAMP providers have raised pricing from $200 to $250, and many older Chinese AAMP girls have followed suit by going from $160 to $200. They even created their own site to advertise at the higher price. Since this is a "managed market", and because rates in SF for kgirls has been historically $50-100 bucks lower than in LA and NY, this price hike will likely work. However, I've already noticed a couple of kgirls already dropping back down to $200, but I suspect they'll be somewhat socially ostracized for doing so.
The big winners will be the Chinese TAMPs, I predict. They worked primarily via foot traffic, or "foot massage traffic", and they'll keep advertising at C-L, maintaining their already low prices as they are the Walmart of sensual services and will likely see a notable surge in business. This assumes however, that the new "war on sexwork" doesn't escalate with more TAMPs getting busted on trumped up "sextrafficking" charges.
Anyway, these are my predictions, and only time will tell.
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They will have nowhere to show their ignorance. The cost of ads will eliminate most of the riffraff and the street prices will be back in the streets, and no more 25 BNG and 45 car dates on the escort side.
