please read this article and understand why it is so important to play safe.



cliff notes:
another positive testing of HIV in the past 2 years. retesting performer. tests being conducted on his/her (unknown) partners and all their partners. production shut down and petitioning enforcement of condom use in all pornography.

i am very aware of that. thanks

i point this out because even in an industry as heavily regulated as porn there are still people coming up positive for STDs and STIs.

these may be different businesses in terms of sales, however many of these ladies posting and reviewed are/were porn film stars. if you are looking for PSE you may want to wait a few weeks to determine if someone ur thinking of visiting has perhaps been filming recently.

please play safe everyone!

gents, i have gotten an email saying there are BBFS providers in san diego (in reply to this thread naming people/persons).

if you have FIRST HAND experience please PLEASE post a review or at the minimum post the info in the reviewers area. NO HEARSAY (as in no "word of mouth" BBFS reports).

not reporting someone making a "special" BB experience for you could be passing along the kiss of death to others who are just as "special" (getting BBFS) as you. you would then be responsible for anything that happens to anyone after your meeting with the provider for not sharing.

anything to do with "naming names" regarding BBFS is immediately deleted from reviews or boards, if it makes it through in the first place.

And lines like "YOUR DUTY TO REPORT!" can run dangerously close to inciting witch hunts and encouraging people to get a little payback on others by ruining reputations.

Given your services, this pretty much doesn't even relate to you, so please don't be such a Chicken Little and be the stand in for the HHS. We are all adults here and either can make decisions for ourselves or can't.

I've posted about this before and I'll post it here again. There are at least 7 providers on here and another very popular site that do BBFS. I know for a fact, not hearsay or speculation that a provider on here does BBFS and is HIV positive. I will not post this on here but will gladly share info over PM. At the moment I'm just a basic member and I'm submitting a couple of reviews to go VIP so be patient if I don't answer PM right away.

if there is any chance of u submitting info to the reviewers area or other places perhaps under an alias (is that allowed?) and spread the knowledge.

keeping it in can do more harm than good. ESPECIALLY if the person is positive for something.

as of now i know of two (through hearsay of course, only first hand acknowledgments from verifiable people are counted by me).

7 providers? That just shocked me. It must be a pretty popular thing then, even though no one talks about it. I guess I'll start insisting on CBJ from now on... It'd be great to have an idea on what percentage of hobbyists actually want BBFS, but I know that's not possible.

Big words from someone using am alias. I know from first hand knowledge. I'm not talking out of my ass here. This is from my own experiences and from girls I know. If I show up to a session and the lady doesn't have a condom and really leaves it up to me wether or not I use one, she is providing BBFS. It's gotten to the point I now bring them with me just so I don't have to run to 7-11 to get one.

I am allowing a general discussion on this topic.  This is not a forum to 'out' somebody.  I don't want names posted on our site, because there is no way to verify credibility of the accuser and accused.

Keep to the topic of the original post.  Be careful when you play.  If I see another set of posts that undermines my warning, I will request to have posting privileges revoked

-poet

But even when we are doing the best we can ... a condom can break or even slip off .. does that make one purposefully practice unsafely?! I understand your feelings but really there is no need to rant in such a fashion. If you were in the porn industry this thread would make sense. Just keep yourself safe and keep doing your best job lil one - it's all you can do.
Peace.
Chlkoe

Good point. Really. Because condoms never burst and are 100 percent relaible. I know there are guys who seek out BBFS providers because any time there Is a post like this I get flooded with emails asking for info. Then there are gents like me, who value their life, wanna have some kids, meet a nice lady one day and not have to say that I have an STD cause I used to pay to play. The temptation to go bb is there, when you get a bbbj and you transition to fs, only to be told she doesn't have a cover.  I understand this it how it happens for some and how for some seek out this type of provider. I think this is for the safety of those who do not seek out BBFS and the ladies who play safe. If a gent who plays safe, has a condom that breaks with a provider who uses protection only at the request of the gent or uses protection sometimes, that gent has a right to know if this lady has been doing BBFS. He is not a consenting adult in this case, he just shit out of luck.

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why this is a concern for me (some of u think just because my options don't qualify to this post think again - i see the SAME people you do, maybe just 2 "generations" later in terms of partner sharing): i see clients who see ladies who are in the industry who then also see other clients who see other girls and then they come back to me (heehee well sometimes).

my original post was not a rant nor have i ranted anywhere regarding this.
merely promoting safety (if in an annoying way, so so sorry, but i for one can't turn a blind eye to those who seem to just "accept" BBFS happens).
you are the second person to say i'm ranting. hm.

condoms break, sure, but at least u tried. to say "well condoms break or slip so lets skip it" would be purposely practicing unsafely. to at least put one on and attempt protecting yourself and your partner would NOT fall under the category of offering BBFS. to actively practice intercourse without one is idiocy (and i hope you agree) unless with a SO you trust, but even then that partner may hobby thus ending up with a similar risk again.

again, much respect and BE SAFE everyone
mila

"do not confuse being good with being liked"
this is what i live by in this industry. i need no love or to be liked by people who aren't visiting me. this is an effort of good will and being safe and protecting MY community.


i have been contributing positivity: a safety concern.

if u think being safe is negative then you don't belong in the community.
anyone disagree?
hope not.

again, much respect (but for the safe peeps only heehee)
mila

thanks
i didn't know BBFS reviews couldn't go up

how would one share something like that if it did happen?
i know on another board a lynch mod formed for the pimp who's girl got a BBFS review (she just hopped on without giving the guy a chance to ask for a cover)... so after seeing that firsthand i understand why BBFS reviews don't go up... so how to share the risky behavior?

m

It is all unsubstantiated rumors that cannot be verified with data and/or proof.  You are entitled to an opinion on this topic, but that will be the limiting factor.  Do not inquire any more on how to amass or distribute info that can be damning to both the provider and hobbyist.  If you want to open up on the workings of the other site, do so at one's own peril.  For me, I'd rather leave the past behind and the other site alone.  There are more serious stuff than BBFS, such as attacks on one's character and actions.

If you are doing your best in playing safe, then keep it that way.  If not, then you should accept the consequences of your actions.  We all know the inherent risks of the hobby.  If you do not, shame on you.

I never said it didn't happen. Most of us know of some people who fall into this category.

It is the way her post was stated. Basically, people are already going to be safe or are not going to be safe. Stating "IT IS YOUR DUTY" on the subject sounds like the Gestapo.

And this was the ONLY board in the surrounding California/Nevada/Arizona boards that had a thread like this about it. Why? Because a provider who doesn't even provide FS regularly pushes this button. And you are enabling her.

gotcha. nothing on TER for BBFS or dangerous behavior reports.
does anyone here know of a community similar to the nationalblacklist for BBFS/STD/STI info?
(i'm sure such a place doesn't exist but it doesn't hurt to ask.)


i respectfully disagree with "attacks on one's character and actions" as being worse than BBFS (when there "rumor" has it someone is HIV+). that person is a loaded gun IMO.

i will GLADLY be the safe-sex-preacher "Gestapo".
to frown upon my concern for safety shows your lack of concern for safety.

Hi,

I live in Las Vegas and I recently had a gentleman ask me for BBFS.  My response to him was, "I have a female condom and will gladly wear it".   I never heard back.  This is a great alternative for those that want BBFS. While it is not BB, it is still great protection for having a nice safe time.

ChristineLynn

a little info on risk....

Amazing, that there actually is people with a different opinion than "tequila". She has common sense and her reasoning is very straight forward. I share her opinions completely!

Why is there even any doubt on whether or not using condoms is the right thing to do and really take actions against people who does not. I wish there was more people standing up and saying something to prevent people from unsafe practicing. It should be every person´s responsiblity to prevent people from having unsafe sex.

I do not even book clients who asks for BBFS. I do not trust them enough to see them because I feel unsafe. They might try to rip a condom on purpose since that is what they want.

And I consider them high risk clients anyway.

I respect of others we all should care and stand up an say when you feel something is wrong. This is what "Tequila" is doing.

I give her an applaud!!

Good job! Stay strong! Do not listen to people who try to miss lead you. You are doing the right thing!

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Wow. I cant believe some people think that if you are safe then you shouldnt be worrying.  I would like to know if someone is seeing people who does bbfs. I want to know because to me that would be a risk with me if the condom were to break. So how what others are doing is none of our business is beyond me. But I do understand that some people will use this information as a tool to destroy someone. Which is a sad fact of life.  Some people suck.   And I would like to add that some people do bbbj and not to completion and really that is not even close to bbfs.  Some people think that if you do bbbj you will do bbfs and that is utterly stupid.  Everyone Be Safe.  And really, gentlemen, do not think you are just that special and she is doing it only with you.  That just doesnt turn out to be true 99% of the time.  The only way to know you are doing your best to be protected is to always use protection yourself. Because, in the real world, any one can say anything.  So if you're trusting someone you better make damn sure they deserve that trust.  And frankly, I am cynical. I dont trust anyone that much.