Is there a possibility of an S&M provider combining with FS? I know that a number of the escorts list S&M as part of their skill set but it mostly seems to be a real secondary interest. ARe these just oil and water?

My experience is that either they are a conventional provider or they provide a BSDM scene with varying levels of sexual service (not including FS). I for one would love to find a provided that offers a dominant session that included FS. Anyone out there?

I think these things are more likely in someone who is a lifestyle dominant and/or into alternative lifestyles which sometimes include swinging as well. I've known a few.

I know what you're saying - a lot of providers advertise they do Escort/Massage/S&M when really they only do the former. A lot of girls don't enjoy it, don't understand the dynamics or don't have the mindset or any of the equipment one needs. It takes some talent and skill, also a little insight and psychology as well.

Now, I don't know her but I've seen her posts and reviews on this board - have you tried Baby Joi in Temecula? From what I've read she seems like she does both escort & S&M very well. Maybe you could give her a try!

Edited to say: if she needs a provider reference on you I'd be glad to give you one.

MM


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Thank you for your thoughts. My one question is I always wonder how you have a frank pre-engagement conversation with a provider at a level of detail, given the general prohibition about talking frankly about the details?

Over the years I have seen some providers advertise in multiple categories and have had sessions with some covering two of the Escort/Massage/Dominance groups. The question is are they a jack of all trades and a master of none or are they realy competent in all of the variations. I think this will vary greatly from person to person.

Some of us may want it mild as an extension of FS session. Add a little diversion or change of pace. Most providers can do some humiliation and flogging, but are not into it, only have limited equipment or not sure of the limits of pain to apply. Most providers can give a massage, but only a few would I every return to for just as massage.

I feel that the real dominants are not as likely to make the transition to a FS session. They are more committed to the lifestyle and having the slave satisfy their wishes is the primary goal, not to service all of slaves needs or wishes. However, anything can usually be found if you search hard enough. Also with repeat session the horizons may be widened and new vistas provided.

I scheduled a session with a mistress a few years back just to see what it was about. My belief is you have to obtain a certain amount of knowledge on a topic to discuss it. Book learning only takes you so far. It was ok, not really my cup of tea. A little harder attempting to explain all of the welts on your body to someone than a stray hair or scent. Then several years later I scheduled a FS type session and guess who my host was, yes the mistress, fake photo in ad. She was still a mistress as all the equipment was visible, but it was a standard FS session. Was she mixing sessions at that time, I did not ask as I was not interested. I also have not seen her advertising for a few years either, so no need to ask who it was.

I think to find both you will just have to do a little more research or set a few appointments to gain trust, but you should be able to find someone.  Many in the S&M community want to limit the services they provide to reduce interest from LE. Remember these are very strong willed people with rules they want you to obey and may offer things as reward, but only if you are very very good. Some just play but others live it full time.

This is a great hobby in that there is usually someone for just about everyone. Sometimes you just have to get lucky, but a TER search might be able to limit the number of attempts needed.

baby joi does both well

In the same session im not sure

Im sure special requests are available her site looks very interesting

take a look at dangerouspussy.com or slutisms.com

think you will find what you seek

talking about any light bdsm activities or roleplaying you might want, most of which is legal.

Desires like anal play, piercing, medical play and strapon are not because they involve penetration, which is illegal. Usually there is a form to fill out to indicate these interests, similar to the one on my site.

The sex part might be harder, there is really no good way to broach that delicately without sounding like a cop or a freak. I'd say use TER members and resources here to find what you seek. Baby Joi isn't the only one, I know there are others out there who are into providing both bdsm and escort, you just have to find them.

MM