I have not found any recent post on this topic and I would like to discuss this with people at TER.

Yesterday I was contacted by a provider who wanted to meet up and say hi because we happen to be neighbors. It was interesting to find out from her that there is quite a few providers very close to me.

She told me that a provider she knows practice unprotected sex. I could not believe what I heard. She told me that she also was very popular.

I could not stop thinking about this. It is very upsetting to me.

I feel sorry for this woman not caring about her life more than that. Does she already have something that is not curable or when will she? It is just a matter of time.

Who are the people who wants to have unprotected sex with her and WHY??

It blows my mind!

I do get calls myself with people asking for unprotected sex and I do say no of course every time. I get surprised and upset and want to educate them.

Is there any one out there who could explain this madness to me? Why does unprotected sex exist with escorts???

Life is too precious and having safe sex is necessary.

I respect you as a client and myself to perform safely.

xoxo Jessica

there are not many posts because this topic is usually not allowed...as an hobbysts I feel that other hobbysts doing this kind of activity should have their head examined and girl who appeased them should be blacklisted.

I've allowed discussions on this in the past.  We know it happens.  We know the risks involved.  Just be careful and stay covered up.  I don't want a weekly discussion on this.  Post on this thread, discuss to your heart's content, and move on.

I will take down any post if they contain specific names that "offer" or "accepted" bbfs and remove the offender's posting ability (for however long I see fit).

-poet

unfortunately more ppl than we think engage in risky behaviors putting at risk even the ones who take precautions. I see more and more providers moving to CBJ partly due to this and as an hobbyst I feel I should now put the hat on for all session activities.

not able to work in the adult industry because they test before making movies to be safe. If she is infected and spreading it to everyone on purpose to get even and make extra cash that is murder.  Its up to established providers like JessicaSweden and other providers who brought this up to follow through all the way and save many life by getting her blacklisted from all boards. Its criminal 100% bad

The same gents are the same clients of all providers here who play safe so collectively everyone should work together nicely and blacklist these girls who's activities cross that line before the CDC is involved or too many get infected.

I surprises me that the topic is not discussed more than it is. That this topic is not allowed surprises me even more. It is important for both parties so we can continue beeing safe and have fun. It is about respect and caring about your self and others.

Thanks for input.

xoxox Jessica

I apprechiate your input and allowing us to bring the issue up. I understand that the business will be considered less accepted if we continue discussing this. xoxo Jessica

Hi,

I do not know who the provider is but I could probably find out. I would look into this. She might not even be tested and is in denial. I will try to contact her. That would be the best.

Thanks for helping me get courage to do this.

xoxox Jessica

Hi,

I use to do CBJ only. I have spoken to doctors about it and experienced providers. The risk of getting something not curable seems minimal. Am I wrong?

xoxox Jessica

It takes away from the false fantasy and delivers a very real world amount of reality that most everyone here men and women want to avoid thinking about or talking about.

Respect and caring about yourself have obviously clouded this girl's judgement from the spoils of her profit.  Think how many 50+ year old country club type lonely old asian men would happily drain their 401k life savings to enjoy time with a provider giving them bare back sex being half there age.  Its something men as dogs always want but never get so when they get it they keep coming back for more and more and more. The ultimate case of the all mighty dollar completely ruining a woman's life and the domino effect is the STD's spread from each person she is with back to all the other providers who play safe and respect themselves and others as they should.

Really who do we expect to police this kind of criminal activity? not TER, not the Police, not clients, not providers.  That leaves nobody so its a time bomb waited to explode in everyone's face, first with the more normal STDs like herpes and Chlamydia and syphilis and hepatitis and Trich. The worst one of them all aids will not test positive in the men for some time into the future. Plenty of time for her to drain them financially before they find out.  And what would they do at that point other than cry and die?

Its a dangerous job to do in a city that is allowing this girl to do what she is doing. I am no longer seeing providers at all because of this and everyone else will learn the hard way who has not already figured it out or tested themselves.

Would you tell another provider the truth that you have HIV and are giving it to as many men as possible for as much money as possible on purpose?  no I don't think so.

Contacting her will only be a "catty" conversation of bullshit.

A reply of "Thats not true and those are rumors I'm tested and clean" would be a expected response from her if you contact her.  

Providers who are trusted with this info from gents they see who tell them the truth need to group together and take this very seriously as their own life is on the line. Together they should protest the truth privately to the moderators of the online boards to have that provider kicked and banned. REALLY!

You need to take this very seriously and talk with your provider friend who divulged this to you and together you two must put a end to this before everyone is killed.

Many men would also come forward and verify this if they were given a way to do so anonymously.

I couldn't agree more.  I have the very same thoughts whenever someone asks me if bareback is an option.  Do they have no regard for their health or the health and safety of others?  There is no price on my life, I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one with a brain!

Lily

Denial is the most common response.  I wouldn't bother searching for this provider.  There are enough rumors, back-channeling, and hearsay that the truth will never really come out.

Don't start a witchhunt on this board.  I have allowed a simple discussion, but I won't stand idle when people are crying for some twisted sense of justice.  Just know barebacking happens more than you think.  It doesn't matter who is doing it.  Why concern yourself over this mysterious provider?  What about the hobbyist(s)?  It's a circular argument that is pointless.

My advice to this board: keep the discussion limited to this thread.  I will not entertain any attempts of outing a provider or hobbyist publicly or privately.  It won't happen, because there will never be any proof.  We are not bound or responsible for the actions of others.

Be smart, wear a rubber when you fuck.  We all knew the risks when we got into the hobby, or at least we know of the risks now.  I cannot say this is any safer than casual dating.

Is all the providers who have unprotected sex with their, so called boyfriends who are really their pimps who are having unprotected sex with all their Girlies who are working!

Blows my mind.

Lets add them to the list that doesn't exist to help everyone.

I wanted to thank you for posting this.. It is a VERY important topic. No matter how much a provider or hobbyist try's to turn the other cheek on certain issues..Safety is number one.. "My body is my temple" and from what I see in Las Vegas and southern california many ladies feel the same way..
After pondering 'Should I share my opinion ?" I decided I shall

I apologize Im not a true grammar/spell check type of provider BUT my feelings hopefully will convey a warm hearted and solid head on my shoulders..

I wanted to add that possibly this one  "unsafeprovider" that is a neighbor of yours  may just be gossiping(San diego) north county in general is so small its incestuous at times(my opinion being raised there..)  that is why I moved.. 6 degrees of seperation.
This provider in question  may have wanted to go for the "Shock and Awe" affect on you.. Maybe she is merely trying to place a bad reputation / or discourage your opinion on an otherwise nice popular provider..OR
maybe she is correct..

I want to back up and Say again and reiteratee loudly that is innappropriate behavior/  lack in good judgement. if she is doing that..
I never condone unsafe sex.. Have I had it in my past? yes,  I am a MOM..: )..

With any business comes risk.. many would not condone our providing period(even with all precautions) . they would say it is all morally incorrect..

Partially why I am more UTR when visiting San diego because it is so small of an area and there are so many beautiful woman that i like to not rock the boat.. Im merely a visitor to my home town and not a top provider here in San Diego

i have known many providers out in san Diego who I did business with in the Civvie world.... work for me at my salon etc.. or even realtors that helped me buy properties prior to me being a provider.

Everyone has their reasons for doing what they do.. The San diego ladies are very respectful in my opinion..
I dont want to name names because there are a lot of ladies I admire and they probably dont even realize I think the world of them..
yet, please realize   maybe help  should be extended to this lady or maybe a meeting with her as provider/provider luncheon.. Help her dont mock her..She may have an underlying problem and just because we are "pros' doesnt mean we are not people.... Maybe take her to a good gynecologist ..I know of one that delievered my daughter and is very respected.. he is still one that i go to aside from my Las vegas gyno..
or maybe a clinic.. there is one on oceanside blvd downtown carlsbad(i think) or in encinitas near scripps.. mission valley..
Whenever we go to an appt..(booking ).. i dont know the hobbyists physical stats.. i assume all precautions..
thank You San Diego you have been good to me and I hope to see some more of the San Diego ladies come to Las Vegas

I hope I have not offended anyone..I truly did not think anyone was wrong on this thread.. Just wanted to get it off my chest and add to the topic
sincerely lorena

help her dont shun her..
Also, just continue to do the great job you are doing and remember the only person we have to answer to is ourselves..
Or any other higher power..
I have loved the saying .."nO MATTER WHERE YOU GO ..there YOU are"" There is no hiding from yourself..
San Diego board is one of the friendliest /most caring board Ive seen.  Im not really in the "Know" but I do have eyes and I can read all the great support you all give to oneanother..

There are no ways to monitor each and every scenario a provider /hobbyist encounter.. I believe more in the individual than the reputation..
thank you for letting me share and I love the San Diego ladies even if they dont know it.. Our profession is hard and can be so lonely .. lets try to stick together..feel free to call me or email me..
I extend my hand to any lady that is concerned or needs advice or just wants a shoulder to lean on..
xoxoLorena

don't be naive the tests in porn purposely do not cover Herpes which over 90% of performers have it

wow..so you are saying that getting something curable is fine??

Maybe it is minimal but it is still a possibility..I guess if you value $$ over health that's ok.

Im so surprised that there have been so many responses and that the thread had lasted this long. Every time I've tried to bring this up before I get a warning and the thread gets deleted. From my own personal experience I know there are quite a few ladies that have unprotected sex. Either because they are in hurry, lazy or for what ever reason. I know for a fact that there is a very popular provider that is HIV+ doing BBFS. Not out of malice, you know trying to infect everyone, just doesn't care. I know this post will probably get deleted and ill told not to post this type of info even though this is exactly why this site exists.

For whatever reason your post was not allowed before (to my knowledge, I don't think I was the one to block it), the thread is here to stay as a testament to the needs of society.  We need to remind ourselves of the risk(s) involved in this industry.  Safe sex isn't perfect, but education can embolden us.

As long as you don't name who this person is, your post is fine.  I've also heard rumors too, but unsubstantiated.

Don't be hard on yourself.  You have your own person, with opinions, feelings, etc.  Don't feel threatened by this certain topic (to many, it's like a coming of age that I've allowed it).  My concern is for everyone's well-being.  The last thing I want to hear is tragedy.  Be safe and thanks for your (and to everyone else's) contribution to this thread and board.

-poet

"Either because they are in hurry, lazy or for what ever reason"

its not just the ladies. guys like the way it "feels" better.
i have read black list reports where the guy is urging the female to go ahead without protection.

its up to YOU to keep YOURSELF safe.
if something happens where someone tried BBFS report that shit. blacklists aren't just for ladies.
i canceled a trip to utah when a review on a utah board came up where the lady just "hopped on" bareback, no questions, no nothing. she was part of a pimp's group where he urged his ladies for BBFS but never "required it". yeah, sure.

anyway there was an uproar when the review went up and all i could think was ok, she saw ONE guy, who CONFIRMED bareback activity, so how many MORE has she done this with who DIDN'T mind or say anything. and then i think about how if each of those guys see a girl, then each of the guys she sees will be at risk. one of those guys may see me and i just can't risk that.

additionally: condoms do NOT protect you from all concerns. they can break ans well as the concern of flesh-to-flesh where the testes, pelvis and base of the shaft are uncovered. just that minimal contact can transfer several infections or diseases.

again.
its up to YOU to keep YOURSELF safe.
if i know of a lady doing BBFS i will NOT see someone using her as a ref or see someone who has reviewed her.

As an RN i was concerned when I started working as an escort and was not GFE.  Due to the high demand for GFE, I decided to consult with a doctor to find out just what the risks are.  I'm happy to say that after 2 years in the business I have never contracted any STD.  
I have met clients who have no fear of catching anything and would have unprotected sex if they could, and clients who are scared of everything.  The best thing for us to do is to educate ourselves and know what our risks are.  Then we can protect ourselves without being afraid.
The two most common infections are gonorrhea and chlamydia.  Both are easily treated with antibiotics.  The scary thing about chlamydia is that there can be very few symptoms in women and it can go on to cause infertility.
If we are practicing safe sex, but are GFE, the biggest risks to us are herpes-which you can look for- and it is possible to get gonorrhea in the throat.  1 out of every 8 men have herpes and 1 out of every 4 ladies.  The theory there is that women are more likely to not have sex when they are having an outbreak.  Chances are we have all been with someone who has herpes.  There is some speculation that you can still contract one of the two when it is not present and I don't remember which one.  I think it's the genital herpes.  But the most important thing is to LOOK in decent light before you put your mouth somewhere.   Now, it seems like if you can get gonorrhea in the throat you should be able to transmit it by kissing or by giving oral sex with an infected throat-but all of the evidence is to  the contrary.  You can get it in your throat but will not transmit it by kissing.
The two big scary, life-threatening illnesses, of course, are hepitis C and HIV.  These are not easy to get and we should not be at risk with basic GFE sessions.
If I were a married hobbyist, though, I would probably not do GFE sessions.  No kissing, no uncovered oral.  But the risks of contracting any STD are pretty low if we practice basic safe sex which includes LOOKING before we put our mouths on something!
Be cautious, not fearful.
Have fun!

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Always put a cover on when coupling!!  
I have a question though ....
Why is there BBBJ on most menus?
So many providers offer it - myself included(I hate the taste of covers).
To me that is a gentleman's way of having unprotected sex.
In the end it is your choice to be or not to be safe.
As Lorena said - 'your body is your temple' - treat it with the respect it deserves!!
Keep going strong Jessica you are amazing!!
XOXO
Chloe

Hi, I apprechiate your input. I was gone with my kids all weekend. I have been thinking about this woman offering sex with no condom. It is very depressing. I am a happy person and this makes me feel sad for her and for everyone in this business.

I have been asked from clients several times to offer sex without condom and I was surprised every time of the question and I told them NO! and asked them how they could even consider that. Of course no answere that makes sense.

I will contact the provider who knows this person who offers sex w no condom. I will do that today.

Hi,

I agree. Both providers and clients are equally responsible of beeing unsafe. I apprechiate the opportunity to have this discussion. It is upsetting for a lot of people to find out there is people doing this act but we can probably only control our own acts.

Jessica

I do very much care about beeing careful and to me the risk is small due to using condoms and plenty of lube to minimize the risk even more. I never had any STD and hopefully I never will. I am not in fear of anything else but HIV but do not wish to catch anything at all.

I would not stop beeing an escort due to this and I would not wish anyone else to quit either. Just be very careful.

Hi,

Maybee you need to read my post again...

I hope nobody else missunderstand what I am trying to say...

xoox Jessica

Thanks Lily, for beeing safe and using your brain. Hopefully more people will think of using condoms.

xoxoox Jessica

Jessica, et al-

First off, I too find this to a very disturbing topic.  Unsafe practices are a danger to all.

However, I need to ask this questions (as I have been in this "hobby" long enough to know that not all things said by all individuals in this community are honest, truthful and sincere). How do you know what this other provider/friend shared with you is true?

Did this friend of yours share the name of the person in question?  Did she have specifics to know that this other provided did and does provide unprotected sex?  What is the truth/reality?

Here is what I have seen in this community:

I have seen providers start rumors and spread lies in order to defame and stain the reputation of another provider for their own personal gain.  They think that by bad mouthing another provider, or in this case end their ability to provide, that some how they will benefit.  This happens especially when the other person is viewed by the community as a "top provider".  

I have also seen women not provide a "good" reference check in order to keep a hobbyist all to themselves.  The ends that some will go to in order to make money is limitless... especially in this hobby.

So, how well do you know the other provider that you spoke to?  Do you really trust her?  I guess that is a question to everyone who has responded to this thread.  And, from the looks of it, it seems that some people know more than others about this situation.  None of us are who we say we are. We have handles, the internet, and none of us put our real selves out there.  So, why doesn't someone come forward anonymously or not, and share some real information.  I guess the hobbyist who has taken advantage of the BBFS (dumbass that they are) could shed some light on the subject.

Just my thoughts...  

I know from my own personal experiences and from a person I trust explicitly who has in fact has had unprotected sex with few ladies. From my own experience safe providers will go from BBBJ to a cover before sex. From my own personal experience I've had to stop a few ladies and say hey do you have a cover for me please? I've actually gone out to my car or to 7-11 to get one because they had no protection on them. Now its to the point that if i see a new provider I bring protection with me. These are well established, well reviewed providers that for what ever reason have decided it's not important to them at the moment or just don't use protection. Like I mentioned before I tried a few times to post and got flamed. I've joined TER back in 2000 and had 20+ reviews under my belt and was a well respected hobbyist.  When I tried to post about this I got flamed and had to leave the site for over a year. I came back in 2004 and have not talked about it since. As far as the lady that is HIV+ and having unprotected sex, it's not up to me to out her or to flame her. IF you have unsafe sex it's a risk you take.
OH and at last count there are at least 7 ladies from MY OWN personal experience that have done this, from here and other sites.

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-- Modified on 7/11/2011 3:38:25 PM

Hi Lorena,

Thank for such thoughtful reply. It seems to be a hot topic on TER right now.

You are probably right i the fact that I should take this woman to the doctor. I doubt that she will agree to that. I could try.

I saw your site. You are not only intelligent you are very beautiful. I wish I could have your amazing body!

I have been thinking about going to Vegas but I heard it might not be safe in many ways. Vice work harder and drunk and inpredictable people.

Thanks for you sharing your thoughts. I apprechiate it.

xoxox Jessica

Hi,

Thanks for input. I now learned to know that we are dealing with people doing BBFS on a frequent scale and that it is more than just a few involved in this practice. It is upsetting.

The woman that I heard are providing BBFS does not care either. To me it seems like she would be HIV positive. She is very popular it turns out.

I would hate for this to be a epidemic. Most men that I see are married. This will not end well.

For our business to last we need to protect ourselves and make the "hobbyworld" safe. I was hoping for this to once become legal. Like in most European countries.

If HIV will increase in our business we are going to be sure that we will not be accepted any time soon.

It is a pitty.

Jessica

Thanks Freya, you know how things works. i trust your judgement. I am greatful for knowing you and you giving me advice on things from time to time.

xoxox Jessica

Hi Chloe,

Thanks for your input. I started doing BBBJ my self just recently but after much hesitation. I asked doctors and Freya for advice. It seems much safer than I initially though.

I like your pics.

xoxo Jessica

Hi,

My impression of the escort I talked to is that she is telling the truth. She was not trying to spread rumours just venting it seemed like. She did not give me any names.

I know BBFS exist because I get questions from potential clients about that. I do not see these clients because I do not want to put myself at risk.

I get this question for that type of service about once a week and I always say NO. Since there is so many requests I know it is out there. And it is probably more common that we think.

It is a shame.

Well, first of all, I'm a Registered nurse.  Second, I conferred with two doctors on the subject before deciding to do BBBJs.  I have also read many different websites about potential risks.  If you don't believe me why don't you look it up or ask a doctor instead of calling people dumb-asses because you don't think so, but you don't really know.

Hi, I'm not sure who that comment was aimed at or which reply you are referring to but I'm not talking about BBBJ, the posts are about BBFS.

Haha!