Maybe I am missing a point here regarding a lady only wanting money from a client and nothing else.  It may not be a popular view here, but I have to think it is pretty common.  It also seems to me that a man can search for a lady for a fast bang-and-go or quickie and he isn't ridiculed.  On the other hand, a lady states she is ONLY interested in the money from a client and she is immediately put down. WHY?
Here is a reality check: Some men are only interested in a brief encounter with NO emotional connection.  We don't judge them...

Anyway, it seems like a double standard, but I could be wrong

You seem to forget the prior thread went the way it did when the one user posted that all the other "non money" responses were BS. The annoyance was not the fact that she is all about the money (money money) but that someone would discount the fact that maybe money isn't the only thing we can appreciate from a booking.

As my posts below stated: yes, money is the driving factor for ladies and bookings. However does the fact we are payed for our time negate the fact that we might genuinely enjoy our time with someone? Or even consider them a friend? If you want to believe we each are all just about the money I feel bad that those people are so jaded.

That guy was me.  And I see nothing wrong with providers being only after money.  After all most guys are after only one thing as well.  And that's just fine. But it does sound disingenuous when providers go on talking about "friendships"  with clients.  I just don't buy it. For example,  I have spent countless hours with my friends without ever paying them a cent for it. How much time do working girls spend with their clients without compensation...

Sadly you're posting with an alias so none of us will know who these ladies are.

There is clearly no convincing you that there are some ladies in this industry who are able to have a bond with their dates. Not to bring my style into the equation but people I see often are usually still spending time with me after the set booking has ended - and I am not expecting or wanting compensation for that time. Because they are a friend and I'm not in a rush to do anything after so why not have a chat in my kitchen while we sip on the last of the wine?  

Perhaps it's the ladies you are choosing? I truly hope you can someday have an experience where you felt more cared about than as an ATM machine.

Really,  I think there's truth in both arguments.  I suspect some ladies may be polite and cordial with a client, but have little desire to develop any kind of friendship. On the other hand, I can certainly attest to the fact that some ladies do care and are open to a certain level of friendship.  Either way,  for me, it's all good fun between two adults!

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but maybe i said what i'm about to repeat again to another commentor who expressed the similar if antiquated view that hookers only want cash and tricks only want to get their nut off.

but i have had plenty of otc time with providers.  one lady, after our allotted time together, said "hey my room key gets me to the concierge level, do you want to go have drinks and appetizers with me?" and we did, along with a nice chat for more than an hour.

another lady who is one of my atfs constantly lets me stay after our time to chit chat about our respective lives.  i never take advantage of her generosity to try to cop a feel or grab some ass or do some more nasty stuff, but we just talk about things, as we are both in the same career outside of the hobby.

another touring lady i saw a couple of months ago, after our time was up, told me there was no rush to hurry out, i could just stay and lay on the bed and chat, since i was her only appointment of the day and it was in the evening, adn she had a great view of the harbor from her bed.  so i lay and we talked, and this time i did grab a tit here and there, but didn't press it to go farther.

but my favorite anecdote, which i've told on these boards many times before, is that after my recent surgery, not only did i get many texts and emails from providers inquiring about my health, but i had a home visit from not one but two providers i  had seen.  both ladies brought me groceries since i couldn't get out by myself, and one lady brought her daughter to introduce to me.  and teh amazing thing is, the other lady was someone i hadn't seen professionally for over 2 years.

guys, like everything else in life, you get back what you put out.  you treat providers like human beings with feelings who are just doing a specific job, and they will treat you like a human being who is hiring them for the job.

treat them like a hole to be filled and left when you're done, none of them will ever look at you like a person.

I think that I am being misunderstood. I am not at all complaining.  Providers have their own lives,  families and friends and also many clients.  There is simply no time or reason to be friends with those clients. I do appreciate an occasional text from my favorites and don't expect anything else.

OTC was ten days recently in December, so it is possible if the connection is strong enough.  Other times, it might be a few hours in session, and then a quiet dinner together afterward OTC.  Without the connection, there is usually not OTC time.

You could PM me mate I can point you in the right direction for girls that can help you get there (to to worry - they will fuck your brains out too Amigo).

In the old days I thought I was just in it just for the sex and it was beautiful! I was cold and self-interested and I objectified the hell out of these women (that were so hot they wouldn't even talk to a mere mortal like me if I wasn't paying them - so it fit in well with my cycle of Insecurity and the false Narcissism). I also shagged them blue and would walk away feeling like James Bond. To be honest, it always blew me away that you could get that done for a grand or two.

Little did I know that while I became more and more proficient at making money, people in my life that loved me were becoming harder and harder to find (and the ones I could find were being changed by my Insecure-Narcissistic behaviour). I told myself this was a good thing, because these people required the one commodity I did not have - time. This thickened up my bark even more! I had great sex with my girl at home anytime I wanted it - but we were advisories not lovers. I left this hobby years before all this but 6 months ago I returned here - I didn't know why at first but once my bark was penetrated - It became obvious that I was looking to be loved.

Yeah sure, sometimes it's real and sometimes it's acting - but at least I'm looking for the right thing. I am pretty sure that is what GFE is supposed to mean - because IT DOES feel like my old girlfriends before I ruined them with that same selfish, aggressive behaviour that made me successful in business.  

On this journey of enlightenment I realised how hard this "hobby" is on providers. Despite their great looks, money, popularity et al - a lot of these lovely women are marginalised and live in an impermanent world of lies and secret identities - they are isolated. These days I find myself just as interested in what is between their ears and in their hearts as I am in what is between their legs. There is so much value there that is not recognised it just bums me out -  

So yeah I think they want/need much more than is in that envelope and you have more to give than what you're stuffing in there - Ha!

It really depends on the man and woman.  There are a lot of women out there that just want to get the money and get it over with.  Additionally, there are a lot of men out there that just want to have a quickie and be done with it.  Frankly there is nothing wrong with that, it is really what the foundation of this business.  But as BPJ pointed out, that is not always the case.  I have also gotten a lot of extra time from certain ladies and for certain ones that have been very fair with me I will do extras for them.  

Usually I can see through the women that just want the money and to get it over with rather quickly.  Not always, but usually.  Ones I usually repeat with are ones I feel are looking for more than money.  It shows in how they conduct themselves and how they interact with me.  One in particular has become an extremely close friend of mine.  There is the emotional factor that comes into play in these cases and that is where it can possibly get tricky.  There is the connection with a provider which is nice.  Then there is the really strong emotional connection which can get tricky if one does not keep things in perspective.  

So those women that just want the money and those guys that just want a quickie are not doing anything wrong w.r.t the hobby.  It is their selection of personal and emotional boundaries they have selected.

I am not hiding, I am just being discreet. And I also had a few experiences that went well above and beyond the usual. Though they were all with girls who were just starting out. So, that probably had a lot to do with it. I didn't really mean to single anyone out with my BS comment and was just talking generally. Sure,  truly independent girls and their regulars can and do sometimes get close to each other,  but they represent but a tiny fraction when compared to millions of women being pimped out daily by escort agencies, massage parlors and on street corners, brothels, red light districts and cheap motels etc.  Most of these girls never even see the same guy again.  There is not much bonding and friendship among them. I hope there is no argument about that.

with just the physics, and after awhile discovered there can be chemistry, too.  Your journey is a familiar one to many long-time hobbyists, where we come to appreciate our providers as friends as well as the business relationship upon which it began.  Like you say, some guys just want the physics, and that is fine, too.

Ok, I was wrong to say everyone. You certainly sound very sincere about it.  But there is alot, alot of BS in this business. I think it's important to remember that women like you are very much an exception than a rule when it comes to providing. Boyfriend experience? Hmmm, just take a quick look at profiles that every girl on TER has. Every timeframe is priced accordingly, so are different services. Some cost more while others cost less, some are offered, some are not. There a rules galore:etiquette, hygiene, envelope delivery lol etc. etc. etc. Hey with girlfriend like that, I think I will go see a provider. Oh wait....

You are very welcome, and you are obviously a very special lady and I wish you well. I must say that for me hobbying has been a great adventure and a source of never ending entertainment. I try not to take things too seriously and just go with the flow. There have been some big disappointments along the way (mostly from so called elite providers) but also some unforgetable experiences with new ones. As the saying goes: there can be no thrill of victory without agony of defeat. Just last week, purely by chance I met a really beautiful girl who posted her very first ad on BP. There was a connection between us and I ended up spending almost two days with her. I ended up giving her more than she asked for and she did for me alot more than I was expecting. Again, I am grateful that TER has made it possible for independent women and hobbyists,  to make a relatively safe living and have a good time. Though fake and  bs reviews continue to irritate me.

So far 3 days has been the max for me.  We have plans for 7 days next month.  Also, I just booked a trip for me and her later this year and that is also 7 days, more like 8 days if you count flying time.  We both are looking very forward to those

count flying time if you join the mile-high club.  Lol

Fine line between loving and fighting...

That's why you can work out so many things in the rack............... and never underestimate adversarial sex

What kind do you think we are going to have HH? I have a very strong feeling we will have sex.

You make the call on the vibe of it!!

 I have had a good  number of hours with Goldie and another young lady I had the pleasure to spend time with.  No negotiation was necessary, just two of us having a good time together.  I know for a fact from discussions with other guys through Im or replies to post that they have had the same.  Those extra hours were usually not strictly always what you might expect (dinners, just talking to get more acquainted, etc.), but if two people enjoy each other's company it can and does happen.  I'm really only interested in those type of experiences, but if a guy wants gfe from a lady, he should also treat her like she is his girlfriend.   jmho

I am not a regular hobbyist, more of an occasion-ist. When I look for a woman to see, I look for someone who really does enjoy what they do.  They are out there!  I prefer woman who are very selective.  
When I first saw you Heather I felt that friendship and relationship immediately.  I have felt that with most of the other woman  I have meet, but again I am very very selective on who I see.  
I think about the compassion and empathy some of the woman who do this for a living have.  I know it is not the first thing you would think of in this profession, but it should be.  The ability to truly have compassion for some of the guys they see, and not just close the door on them when seeing them walk up.  I can say that I don't have that kind of compassion.   I am a decent younger looking guy and still fairly fit, but I know that you must see all kinds, and I am in awe of your heart.  I know after talking to you that you truly love making others feel special and that makes you special to me.  
Matt