to all the wonderful, stunning, beautiful and gracious woman of the "hobby"....
thank you for all...you will always hold me in awe-i am blessed by each and every star and client i had the opportunity to sedulously serve.
until we meet again....
zack

Is this the end of BodyMiracle?????

Their website is still up.

Sly



-- Modified on 3/20/2006 7:37:13 AM

I spoke with a PSE friend who books through BM and she told me Zack is/was one of the phone people.  My guess is he's leaving BM, not that they're closing...

Seems like a excellent job-opening for you edward.

Zack is an ex employee of the company who resigned last week and felt an impulse to say goodbye to the TER members.

Bodymiracle will continue to be the #1 XXX agency and we wish Zack the best in his future endeavors.

Bodymiracle and the other agencies serve a great service in helping to organize those ladies who just can't hack being independent. Glad to hear you'll still be around!

Sly

with out kissing up to them as well, just give them your money if you must, but don't act like these people are doing any of us a favor.

as always

Happy Hunting

I don't think most people go into business based on the proposition of "doing favors" for people, they try to make a profit. It might not occur to you that many guys appreciate having just one number to call, using credit cards, and not hunting as you seem to be fixated on.

Do you expect this company to lose money in business just because you can't afford them? They've been around a long time and their rates are the same as the other agencies and they have  a bigger selection of girls.

Looks like they're doing just fine without you, Mr. Dick.

Well Mr Productions you don't know my personal worth and and its very foolish of you to assume that I can't afford the services of an agency. Why should I use an agency when 90% of the ladies are available direct and the other 10% who don't advertise direct are available under the radar with the proper connections, agencys are nothing but parasites that prey on both the hobbyist and the provider, so go ahead Mr Productions and piss away your money any way you want, because as we all know, "a fool and his money are soon parted."

as always

Happy Hunting

I have my opinion about the agencies and you have yours, which I totally respect. I'm not sure, but I believe you live out in LA? With LA being the PSE capital of the world, it's a bit easier to do your hunting and getting great direct rates. For us guys who live in other areas of the country, we appreciate the agencies touring the ladies to our cities so that we can partake as you happily do in LA. If I lived in LA, I'd probably feel the same as you do and would never use an agency, exept for a must-see gal who only books through an agency.

As a disclosure, I have never even used Bodymiracle. The few times I've tried, I've found their follow up to be not so great. But I do use other agencies occasionally, and of course prefer to book direct

Sly

Sly,

Sorry to hear you haven't had positive results with our agency. So to help end your delema on who should be your 100th, we will arrange a meeting for you with any girl on our website with our compliments. No charge of any kind for a one hour booking.

PM us and we'll work on details for you.

-- Modified on 3/22/2006 3:52:45 PM

Nobody WANTS to pay an agency middleman.  But keep in mind that many of these girls wouldn't be available anywhere other than LA without the agencies sponsoring them.

It's just like buying a refrigerator.  If you can buy it directly from the manufacturer, buy it... if not, try to find a discount store.  But if you can't find that and you really want it, you gotta pay retail.  You don't hear guys complaining about the high mark-up at Sears for the Craftsman Tools.

It's the same with PSEs... if you can book directly, of course do that... if not try to find a discount house (Sophie's or XXXVixons for example, who's mark-up is less).  But if she isn't available there, you gotta go to BM, Bella MOdels or Girl of Your Dream.

And if a girl comes to your city on tour and you DO manage to book her direct, THANK the agency... they got her there for you.  If you can't book her direct, go through the agency or choose not to see her, but stop whinning about the agency's piece of the action.  They invested time and money to get her to your city and they deseerve to make a profit.  (And they do make a profit... only after their expenses, it's not as big as most of us think)

As per my PM to you, I truly appreciate the offer, but I don't feel comfortable taking you up on it. That was not my intention in my posting, and I can pay my own way.

I do look forward to using your services some time in the future, but you'll have to earn my business with good old fashioned service

BTW, I believe I have made arrangement for #100, and it should be a great one!!!

Best,

Sly

eddie you have admitted to me and other members of this board that you have taken freebies from the agency's in the past, so Iam not surprised that you take their side in this matter.

as always

Happy Hunting

I thought Eddie's post was even sided. He flat out said that if you can book directly, do it! I feel exactly the same way.

If there's someone a hobbyist wants to see badly, and he can only book through the agency, it's up to him to make the decision if the girl is worth the cost. Obviously, the agencies serve a purpose because they seem to continue to be in business and employ people to work for them.

What exactly is your argument? I just don't get it, but wish you'd really explain it to all of us?

Also, who wouldn't take a freebie from an agency if offered - that is other than an idiot like me

Sly


-- Modified on 3/23/2006 2:52:20 PM

To begin with I commend you for not taking the freebie, because once you start taking gifts from them, it clouds your reviews, we would never know whether you gave a provider a good review because you really liked her or because the agency had a new girl that they wanted to promote and they let you see her for free the first time out, with the promise that you would give her a favorable review. Now if you read eddies post and didn't know any better, he would have us believe that the agencys are just scraping by and that they work on such a narrow profit margin, that they really don't make that much money and nothing could be further from the truth, we all remember the demise of Exotica, and when the news broke about how much they made it was millions, they had so much money they were running out of places to launder it, and he says I should quit whining about the agencys piece of the action, because they really don't make that much, well all I can says is if there isn't money in it, how come their are so many of them out there competing for your hobby dollar.

as always

Happy Hunting

As always Jim, you take things out of context to make the point YOU want to make.  The plain FACT is that I SPECIFICALLY said to book direct whenever possible... and in fact I said it more than once.

Also as usual, you just make shit up.  I NEVER said OR implied the agencies were "just scraping by" or that they "didn't make that much money".  What I ACTUALLY said was they didn't make as much as most people thought.  Of course you used E2K, possibly THE most successful agency there was, as your example, but tht fact is that NY-Elites, their non-PSE agency (and the one that acutally got busted) was where the majority of Elana's money came from and those millions you speak of were accumulated over several years.

And I didn't say YOU should quit whining... you must have a guilty conscience.  You never give deposits and always book direct; you have no reason to whine.

As for accepting "gifts" in exchange for shilling; Jim, do you REALLY want to go there?  Body Miracle offered Sly a free session because he posted that he had a bad experience trying to book through them.  Of course, seeing the attention Sly's upcoming 100th review is getting, it would have been a pretty good publicity stunt for BM to have one of their PSEs be Sly's centenial meeting.  But I missed the part where they asked him to give the girl a good review in exchange for the free session.

Come on Jim, you're not stupid.  Your agendas are as subtle as a pair of brass knuckles, but you're not stupid.  Deep down you know that no senior hobbyist would risk his reptuation by trading a good review for free sex.  And the agencies aren't stupid either... they know that they don't have to solicit good reviews; they're smart enough to research the hobbyist, understand the type of girl and performance he likes and to know which PSE to offer him that should garner a good review without any colusion on any one's part.  I'm sure if Sly had accepted BM's offer and chose a girl that they knew was a stiff they'd have found some excuse for why she was unavailable and ask him to choose someone else.

The validity of a review isn't dependent on what someone paid to see the girl.  That would mean that reviews from the guys who go through an agency should carry more weight than those from the guys who booked her directly for less money.   Ultimately a reviews's validation comes from other reviews from other hobbyists and how they compare.  If someone were to post a fake review or "upgrade" the girl's performance in exchange for a discount, it wouldn't take long for people to figure it out and excoriate they guy here on the board.

So if suggesting twice to book directly and heaven-forbid suggesting that agencies can in fact be useful and deserve to make a profit is "taking their side", I suppose you're right.

-- Modified on 3/24/2006 7:38:30 PM

eddie I don't know why I waste my time, but I will try and make this simple so you can understand. Now anyone who is in the trades and buys their own tools, knows that you never buy Craftsman Tools until they go on sale and you can purchase them at a considerable discount and Sears has these sales several times a year, I've never heard of an agency having a sale. My big gripe with the agencies is that their piece of the action keeps the PSE market artificially high,many PSE's that book direct for 400 are lured away by the agency and the agency books them at 1100 and even on a 40/60 split the girl makes more money than she did booking direct and then the girl goes indy and she says hey the agency was booking me for 1100, so I must be worth 1100 and she keeps it all,now you could say this is part of the market system of supply and demand, the problem is most of these guys think with their little head instead of their big head and thats ok because they may only see 1 or 2 PSEs and they see the girl they want and pull out the plastic with out thinking, but this makes it tough on the rest of us who see many PSEs in the course of a year, but maybe that doesnt bother you eddie because I hear youre just rolling in money these days. Now you say some girls wont book direct, and we both know thats not true, if she will book through an agency she will book direct, its just a matter of having the right connections and winning her confidence. You say that we should get down on are knees and thank the agency for bringing the ladies to our city, but many PSE's are dancers and already tour your city and do privates on the side and many of these PSE's tour the small towns that the agencies wont touch as an example here in California Fresno and Bakersfield, not much agency action there but independents dancers tour there. eddie I have to get back to putting my taxes together, as I go to the tax man on monday, you know I had a very profitable year in 2005 and I hope you had a good year as well.

as always

Happy Hunting

I had a bet with another member that you just couldn't let it go and would have to respond to my post, aha ha ha ha.

as always

Happy Hunting

Jim, I agree with you that the agencies have and do cause price inflation... you won't get any arguement from me there. And believe it or not, I also agree (to some degree) with most of your other points as well.

Yes, some PSEs are feature dancers and do travel to cities on their own.  But many do not... in fact a majority do not.

And yes, while I won't exactly agree that 100% of the PSEs will book directly, I'll conceed that the majority of them will with the right referrals.

But few hobbyists have the connections that Sly, myself or you have.  I haven't used an agency to book a PSE in over three years, have no plans to do so in the future and have no need to do so.  But that's a luxury that few hobbyists have, even on this board.  I also happen to live in one of the largest cities in the country as do you, and I'm also 90 minutes from NYC, the East Coast PSE capital.  So you and I have access that most fans do not.  Having connections and living where we do give us a big leg-up on the average guy.

You have such a black-and-white opinion because you can afford to... but for the regular PSE fan, like it or not, the agencies are their best source.  And I also know enought PSEs to know that a large percentage of their clients have no idea that TER exists, so for those guys the agencies are their ONLY source.

Personally it wouldn't make a difference in my access to PSEs if all of the agencies disappeared tomorrow, so I'm really not the agency "booster" you accuse me of being.  My ONLY point throughout this entire thread, and the one that you just won't seem to acknowledge, is that they provide a service for SOME hobbyists.  You may not like to hear that, but someone as intelligent as you are has to realize the truth of it.

Sorry, couldn't resist

Sly