I am sorry fellas. This does not apply to all, however. Once again a few f***-ups ruined it for all but wow oh wow was Tuesday night the pits. Out of respect for the community I will not "out" anyone, but I will say I not only did I suffer an INCREDIBLE financial loss but I have never been so disrespected throughout my entire career. The personal pain I felt made the $$ irelevant. I have also had a very hard time with men staying commited to there appt. here on the eastcoast for various reasons many of which I can understand but this does not make up for the 80% of cancellations being no shows or last minuete and I mean LAST MINUETE!! I know I know. I should have taken deposits to begin with but than you get those who fuss about it and I have come to the conclusion that I just can't please everyone!!
So here are the new rules:
If you are a known "poster"
If you are well known by a reputable "poster"
If you are a "friend" of a gal I personally know
If you are a current friend of mine
If you are booking in seattle
. . . . YOU ARE EXEMPT FROM DEPOSITS!!!
example: Fasteddie, Bigpoppa, tamifan etc. . . .

If you are anyone else 95% chance a deposit will be required.

I am very sorry but I am fed up. I am very tired of those who feel that women like me are expendable and take it upon themselves to disrespect us by no-showing or insulting us or cancelling last minuete.I am incredibly hurt by what has been going on recently. I am a strong woman but I beleive that there is a level of respect that is not being met and I am  sure it goes both ways. I am not one to decieve, mislead, misrepresent, rip-off, disrespect anyone and, damn it, I expect the same. This is directed at certain people, many of which, thank the lord, I have not and will never meet. . . . you know who the f*** you are!!

-- Modified on 12/10/2002 6:05:27 PM

-- Modified on 12/10/2002 6:11:58 PM

I am sorry that you have had such bad experiences.  Unfortunately there are always a few idiots who have no consideration for anyone but themselves.  Be well.

Candy,

We have not met. I was looking forward to seeing you when you make your way to Chicago. Disappointed in the deposit rule, but totally understand it. This is a business, and if people feel they can arbitrarily waste your time and ruin it for others, well this will certainly seperate those who are serious from seeing you from those that are not...

The only thing I would caution you on. There might be instances when something truly comes up that requires a last minute cancellation. I would ask you to consider making the deposit good for another visit so that the individual gets a second chance to book with you without totally losing his money. I have heard of other providers doing this with success...

Hey sweet Candy:  I am sorry that someone else was inconsiderate to you and caused another inconvenience and your feeling of pain and disrespect.  Too many people are selfish to their own needs, well maybe not as many as it seems, but this small minority has such a large impact.  I guess that I can consider myself fortunate, no privileged, that you did not require nor did you ask for a deposit from me, but then again without asking I understood and did offer to pay a deposit.  Needless to say I did not pay a deposit and I did show up for my appointment.  At least you post regularly and have very good reviews on these boards so requiring a deposit should not have an negative impact on you.  There are some posters that would recommend never paying a deposit and that can be justifiable as there are some providers that have been known to be dishonest and rip people off of their deposits.  I have been fortunate in that the ladies that I met (Kathy Willets, Kiki Daire, Tami Monroe, Miko Lee, Raquel Devine and Candy Cotton) were not only kind but I completely trusted them and you were one of them.  This is one of the reasons that some providers deal only through agencies instead of being independents.  Some agencies do a more thorough screening process and likely require a deposit until the client is established.  Obviously the use of agencies also increases the price.  Who wins?  It is sad that a few can spoil something so sweet.  Although it is easier said then done, keep the faith...

You said:"...I have come to the conclusion that I just can't please everyone!!"  How true.

I remember a quote from Bill Cosby when asked what was the key to his success he stated something along the lines of: "I don't know what the key to success is, but I do know the key to failure is to try and please everyone."  Do what works best for you.

This is a two way street, one time I booked a well known PSE in the LA area, made the booking two weeks in advanced reconfirmed the day befor and then drove 87 miles oneway and I was no showed, so it happens to all of us.

if you do some Searching on this board, the General
board, and the LA board, you will find that most men
are dead set against deposits, even with women they've
been with  many times. By making this rule, you're automatically
excluding a lot of potential customers.

My advice would be to take a week to simmer down and
think things over then make you're decision.

Actually quite a number of escorts require deposits. If you read what Candy said earlier, for those repeat customers and folks that have references she is not requiring a deposit. While it may drop some of her bookings and inquiries it will surely weed out those that are not committed. For those that are, they won't have to worry about deposits. I propose a compromise, where the deposit can be used in the future in the event of a legitimate last minute cancellation so the client does not feel he has completely lost his deposit.

unfortunately there will always be those people (men and women) who just don't gave a damn about other people or their feelings, or standing by their commitments.  I know of several individuals from these boards, who like myself may have had to cancel or re-schedule a meeting for whatever reason but stood by their commitment.  When it happened to me once, I still provided the gift as promised and was surprised to learn that the provider was willing to reschedule with consideration being given to my specific situation.  We each earned a much greater level of each others trust and respect.

"I am very tired of those who feel that women like me are expendable and take it upon themselves to disrespect us by no-showing or insulting us or cancelling last minuete.  I am incredibly hurt by what has been going on recently. I am a strong woman but I beleive that there is a level of respect that is not being met and I am  sure it goes both ways. I am not one to decieve, mislead, misrepresent, rip-off, disrespect anyone and, damn it, I expect the same."

You were mistreated by an individual or several individuals, and they are the ones with the problem.  Primarily maturity.  This is probably why you will now have a major problem with "trust" for awhile.  I am seeing this right now with a provider I have a MAJOR attraction and attachment to that I am currently seeing.  Earlier I'd make plans for a meeting that is something she has never done before, outside activities, day at the spa together, hotel/resort excursions, etc..., that she didn't believe I would make happen or she wasn't sure she'd be comfortable with.  It really surprised her when we had our first (of now many) day/evenings together.  After a brief period of time after this situation and you have a few meetings with known or trusted clients, I am sure you will once again feel a certain level of trust begin to return

In any event, although the boards and the surveys show that most hobbyist do not like deposits, they should never be a problem for someone who is serious about a meeting.  If something happens that creates a situation where you (a client or provider) cannot show up for your appointed meeting, all it takes is the simple courtesy of a "PHONE CALL", which you would normally do with anyone in any situation, work, personal, hobby, etc...  Regardless of who or what you are in life, real or fantasy, you are still a person who wants to be treated the same way you would treat others.  It's that old "Golden Rule" thing or myth our parents and grandparents used to tell us about (aka: Karma.

I've never met or traded private e-mails with you, and don't know if we ever will have the opportunity, but I personally appreciate your participation on the boards.  If more women / providers participated on the boards, who knows where we could all go from here.

Take care and best wishes,

Troy

aka:  SoCalTroy
        [email protected]

candy, did you call your clients to confirm the appt.  usually if you call a day ahead of the appt.   or day of the appt to confirm the appt...you will either whether the client is serious or not.

First off, who cares what most of the men on the General and LA board are dead set against!

This may sound somewhat un-natural coming from me, but I could care less, if someone takes an affront to this post.

I don't know Candy, but she seems to be, very sweet, and unfortunately gullible enough to belive that these "gentleman" were sincere, with their promises of keeping their appt's.

The web, and these boards are a place for "faceless" and "nameless" jerks to get their rocks off! What type of sick perverted pleasure can someone get from this practice??

These types, are wanna-be hobbyists, who can hide behind their keyboard, without the fear of having to worry about being outed.  Yet it is OK for them to mislead a provider into thinking that she has x-amount of appt's., which will cover her expenses for air travel, hotel and food, plus of course, provide her with a profit.  Since it is quite apparent that a provider is there to make money, not to go into the hole.

 Everyone wants the girls to be independant, or be able to book a PS without the added cost of the agency.  Everyone complains about the high prices, I've got news for all of you.  The high prices prevent this type of thing from happening. When a PS gets sponsored by an agency, the agency pays for the airfare and the hotel, which in itself, means the girl is way ahead of the ballgame, plus she doesn't have to worry if "num-nuts" is actually coming thru.

Now if you are a sincere gentleman, and the girl has excellent reviews, there is no reason NOT to provide a deposit.  The only time a deposit should not be required is as follows.

1.When a girl has already had an appt. with this particular gentlman.

2.When the girl has the reputation of flaking/stealing money, etc.,,,, ie. J.R. Carrington.  I'm not starting a rumor about her, it has been well documented here and on the other major board.

Even well known hobbyists should pay a deposit on a first appt., as he can always have a real, last minute emergency.


Otherwise; a deposit should ALWAYS be required.

If for some reason you do get burned by a provider, I'm sure you will "sing it loud and clear" that you got ripped off.  And ultimately, damage her reputation.

Remember the old saying; "Be careful what you wish for".

You want to work around the agencies, then step up to the plate, and be a gentleman!  Otherwise, bookthru the agencies.  

Kathy Willets

How would this deposit be made?, via credit card over the phone, many do not care to leave a paper trail.

The easiest and safest way to secure your time with your favorite girl, is to buy a money order.  They can be purchased at any Post Office, Wal-Mart, K-Mart, grocery store, etc.

I myself only accept money orders, for the following reasons,

1.It assures me that there is no problem with the "check" bouncing, or a stop payment.  Not everyone is a "stand up guy", unfortunately, there are alot of people out there that will try anything to screw someone.

2.A money order does not leave a paper trail, only on my end does it leave a trail.

3.When someone purchases a m/o, there are 2 places for names; the buyer, and the receipient.  The buyer can leave it blank, or put in anyone's name, ie., Bill Clinton, George Bush.  Therefore there is no paper trail back to you.

It is, very simple

-- Modified on 12/11/2002 10:35:53 AM

Kathy, responsible escorts are the exception rather than the rule.  The majority are indeed flakes and they have made it difficult for the responsible providers.  I for one will continue to advocate a hobbyist should NEVER give a deposit.

I also want to comment on your "sing it loud and clear" comment which I definately agree with.  However, many of those ripped off will not do so for fear of being outed.  There have been many hobbyists who have had providers call their wife or employer.  Threats to that effect have become commonplace, even over negative reviews.


-- Modified on 12/11/2002 9:37:47 AM

For once , I agree with you on something.  There are alot of girls who are flakes.  I dare to say though , that there are more jerks out there,than there are flaky girls. Some guys will try any scheme possible, to try and screw a girl over, reference her rate.  Be it stopping payment, trying to fill an envelope with "one's" instead of the correct denonmination, etc.

Unfortunately, some of the girls in this business are too trusting.

While I have only been on these boards for about 18 months, I have yet to see anything posted about a girl calling someones wife.  If so, she should be blasted!

There is no reason for ANYONE to get ripped off regarding a deposit.  These boards are set up for someone to get any and all information regarding the "history" of a provider.  Not to mention all of the private e-mails.

If someone is foolish enough to go with a provider who does not have a stellar reputation,,,,, then shame on them. " A fool and his money, are soon departed".

Until ANY hobbyist has a track record with that particular PS, a deposit should ALWAYS be done.  Trust is earned, not given carte blanche.

While there are some flakey girls I'd venture to guess that on the whole the girls experience a far, far greater number of no shows from hobbyists than the reverse.  And we hear the guys whine about the one no show they had forever.  I can't blame the girls for being frustrated.

-- Modified on 12/11/2002 10:35:42 AM

The hobbyist and the escort have the same goal; not to loose money and/or time.  The escort wants to protect herself with the requirement of a deposit while the legitimate hobbyist tries to protect himself by not paying a deposit.  

I understand the jerks stopping payment and the light envelope.  Likewise, the hobbyist has to deal with the provider collecting a deposit with no intention on showing, the cash and dash etc.  There are jerks on both sides of this business.  There are also guys who are too trusting.

Kathy, there have indeed been providers who have called wives and employers.  Most of the time, just the threat will achieve the goal of having the guy pull the review or to keep silent.  These unscrupulous providers realize the hobbyist would rather loose several hundred dollars than their family and livelyhood.

Although both parties have the same goal we do indeed have opposing methods to achieve said goal.  Unfortunately, there is no easy solution.  This topic has been debated ad nauseam and I am sure it will be in the future.

I do agree trust is earned and not given carte blanche.  For this reason I will continue to advocate never sending a deposit just as you will continue to advocate the requirement of a deposit.

I agree,,,, we will always disagree.

However, there is an easy solution:  use the boards correctly, do an in depth investigation on the PS that you are interested in.

If the girl has nothing but a stellar reputation, then meeting her requirement of a deposit, on the initial meeting, should not be a problem.

However if she does not have a stellar reputation, move on to someone else.

With all of the information that is contained in reviews, and from other hobbyists,,,, there is NO reason for anyone to get burned, with sending in a deposit.

-- Modified on 12/11/2002 11:02:45 AM

Ok so I will cover that which I missed in my earlier post as there are some fabulous points above!!

1. I have ALWAYS been one to call and confirm. In fact I may call a little to much I call day before and when I am on my way.
2. I would never call anyone's wife. Did anyone catch the last episode of the Soprano's???
3. If a gentleman was kind enough to make a deposit and cancelled for a legit reason OF COURSE he could use it towards a future meeting; it would never "expire".
4. If you read my stipulations on deposits you will see it excludes the majority of folks, namely everyone on this thread seeing as you all are such fabulous "posters".
5. Taking a deposit could be done through paypal. . . no paper trail!!

Finally, I know that the majority of people are good or at least have good intentions and I have not lost complete faith. I just have to watch my back a little more carefully and if that means requiring deposits from a dishonest guy from overseas or just from the "unknown" than oh well!!

****IMPORTANT****
I have changed my contact number!! Please email me and I will be more than happy to give ya the goods!!

LaLamann? Lemme know if you ever come to Phoenix!

I most definately disagree; there are no easy solutions.  

First, even with the internet there is only a small percentage of providers that have been reviewed.  Second, as I said it is not uncommon for provider to use threats to keep their record "clean" or "stellar".  Another tactic escorts use is to just change names if their record does become tarnished.  Obviously, a name change isn't going to work for a porn star escort.  Third, it is common for reviews on this and other boards to be faked; both positive and negative reviews.  We all know about fake positive reviews but escorts and their supporters have been known to post fictitous negative reviews to hurt the competition.  The fictitous STD is always a favorite.  Even with regards to deposits, it is not unheard of for escorts and/or their supporters to actively book a touring escorts time with no intention of keeping the appointments so she will suffer a loss.  She will then be very leary of returning to said city.  If she institutes a deposit policy she would be at a competitive disadvantage to the "home girl(s)" who do not require the deposit.  Forth, if a provider does rip off a deposit the hobbyist doesn't have any practical recourse.  Sure, he can and should post the rippoff, but rest assured if the threats don't work, there will be an effort from the provider and her supporters to call the hobbyist a liar etc. or to get the thread deleted.  The commercial boards have gotten to the point where you can't say anything negative.

So no I don't thing there is an easy solution.  However, I do know a sure way not to loose a deposit and that is to NEVER give one.

Once again, you are comparing Apples to Oranges.  I responded to Candy Cotton's (PS) problem.  This IS the Porn Star board, I was not responding to "Suzie Smith" from  Alabama, that nobody has heard of.

As you said, it would be difficult for a PS to change her name, but once again, we are on the PS board, not the General Board, or local boards.

Your scenario of what can happen to a local girl is all well and good.  But we are discussing PS's, on the PS Board.  That is why in my first post I stated, "I could careless what is said on the LA board or the General board. To further carry on your scenario, ANY provider will never suffer a loss if she requires a deposit.  If a man is not willing to provide a deposit, then he is not sincere.  And if she does not get enough deposits, she just doesn't travel,,,,, no travel, no loss.

I have said this numerous times already, if someone takes the time to thoroughly investigate a particular PS, via reviews, e-mailing well known hobbyists, back channeling etc., there should be no surprises.

All PS's should ALWAYS require a deposit, for a first time encounter,,, no exceptions!!

Take the time to completely investigate, everything, not just whether she provides BBBJTC, or if her chest is real or fake or what size shoe she wears or if she offers PB&J. Let the big head think for once.

Lighten up. I was merely pointing out a fact - many senior members of this board have given advice to newbies - no deposits.

And if you look at the Vegas board right now you'll read about a guy who got stood up by two different providers. It works both ways.

Just like the stock market, prior performance is no guarantee of future performance. People change all the time. Too much of a risk giving a deposit in an unregulated market.

This deposit issue applies to ALL escorts.  In my opinion porn star escorts have a higher "flake" rate than non porn star escorts.  They are also not above taking deposits.  The boards are full of the stories and there are many more which never make it to the boards.

Sure a provider can require deposits; it is their business and she can run any way she so desires.  It is also your choice to assume a hobbyist is not sincere because he is not willing to pay a deposit.  However, rest assured there are plenty of providers, porn stars included, who can be seen without a deposit.

The fact is there ARE surprises when seeing porn star escorts.  The fact is there are no guarantees or assurances you will not loose a deposit.  However, you will never loose a deposit if you don't pay one.  

I have said it numorous times; NEVER give a porn star, an escort or an agency a deposit!

This discussion is about Porn Stars, and in particular, the problem that Candy Cotton had.

This is not about regular providers.  I will say it again, do your homework on the Porn Star of your choice.  I'm sure that if you only contact the WELL KNOWN hobbyist,,,, he will not lead you astray.

I am talking about porn stars; the issue is the same.  I agree one should contact WELL KNOWN hobbyists; virtually all of whom have come out and stated not to give a porn star a deposit.

I am sorry to hear about your problem with these guys.  Guys, Candy is a wonderfull, strong and caring person and would never rip anyone off.  I wish you the best, Candy.

Take Care,

dj

I'm generally opposed to deposits but will do so under certain circumstances.  

But, I wanted to make a few points that I haven't seen here yet;

  1. Even people who are normally reliable, can flake.  I've had that experience before.  And, the same for agencies.

  2.  Some people horde money together in order to have that one experience, or might otherwise have financial problems that would preclude an advance deposit.  

  3.  If the guy is traveling, and is 3,000 miles from home, it may be difficult to arrange a deposit.  I've had problems with that where I was traveling, didn't have a car, and the girl wanted a deposit in advance for a date 2 nights into my trip (and she didn't say anything before I left home!).  Sometimes, it's simply not practical.

  4. Once the girl has the money, if something happens, where you have to cancel, or she flakes, or something Really Unforeseen happens, she has your money, you don't.  You can't spend it on someone else if she has a last-minute disaster.  (I've had situations where I made arrangements in advance, traveled to the location, got to the hotel, called the lady, and then was told she had to cancel because the wrong time of the month came earlier than expected that month.)

Just a few comments.  It's not always about who is trustworthy, or whether or not deposits are appropriate, etc.  

(P.S. I've seen Kathy Willets and she is not one of the women who flaked on me.  I've yet to meet Candy but I'm really, really, really, hoping to some day...)

I'm tempted to just from the controversy of the post.  

There is no way I would pay a deposit to a provider to someone not well reviewed but, as Kathy stated repeatedly, this board is different from the rest.  Candy is known here, changing her name would cost her more business than generate it and I don't think she would jeapordize her position here by pulling a deposit/dash scene, one review of that and business would be immediately effected.

Everyone is pointing to the board as proof.  My case in point is the recent posts by Bianca Trump on different boards; they have been completely ignored because everyone realizes she is a lost cause.  She can't change her identity because she is too recognizable and she would loose business from those who don't do any research.

Stick to your decision Candy.  I, for one, support it and would gladly provide a deposit if we ever meet.

DrX

The market is full of providers who do not require a deposit, I've seen many well known PSEs and none of them required a deposit and I see no reason to pay a deposit in the future, I hope this puts Candy"s mind at ease as I will be one less person that she has to deal with.

Now I'm confused.  You have posted a total of 5 times, the overwhelming majority of your comments in each of your posts were about "escorts and providers",,,,,,, not Porn Stars.

Especially your post at 12:34PM, where you come up with escorts plotting to hurt "touring" providers, in "their" hometown; by having friends, boyfriends, Aunts and Uncles book fake appt's.

I really have not seen anywhere , where you have addressed the issue of deposits, in regard to the original post by Candy.

I, on the other hand have continually posted about Porn Stars, and have tried to explain the difference between a Porn Star, and Suzie from Alabama.

I don't want to sound crass, but Suzie is a  nobody, she can as you say, change her name, who would know, much less care; if she was one of the girls who ripped off people.

On the other hand, a Porn Star is a well known person, usually with her face very well known.  If a Porn Star was to rip off people, it wouldn't take long for the word to get out. Then what is she going to do; change her name,,,, I don't think so.  There are enough guys to make sure that , that would not work.

Now which is it??  Are you talking about Porn Stars, or just your everday normal escort??

Once again, if a person is sincere, and it's a first time meeting, a deposit is always important,, it seperates the MEN from the BOYS.

I don't agree that the onus of calling the client for confirmation should be on the provider. What are we little boys that need reminders? Do you really want the provider calling you and perhaps an inopportune time to remind you of your commitment?

If this is a first time client with no track record, the client needs to earn the trust, and take more responsibility.
This is just my opionion..

Hey guys,
  Candy and I have talked about this many times and I feel the same way she does. Some inconsiderate people have ruined things for you good guys. I am sure that Candy would always let you guys keep your deposit toward a reschedule. Quite a few girls (myself included) do this. A lot of you have been ripped off by providers and for this I am sorry. In the event that you guys can't reschedule it would stand to reason that you would probably be given your deposit back.

I have to state upfront that like you San Te I am new to this. I am assuming you are new to this because you make some ridiculous generalizations about majority of porn stars being flakes? Last time I checked you had four reviews posted, and only two of them with porn stars neither of which had long consistently good track records..

I have only seen two porn-stars who both have had consistently steller reviews. It is very easy to determine who the top quality PORN STAR providers are if you have done your homework..
Again I have only seen two, but the following ones seem to have consistent steller reputations...

In no particular order

1. Kathy Willets
2. Ryan Conner
3. Raquel Devine
4. Candy Cotton
5. Anna Malle
6. Keisha
7. Miko Lee
8. Nikita Denise

I know there others I have left off, but Take alook at some of the old reviews posted by FastEddie, or even Doc, and you will see the same names come up pretty consistently.

The short of it is, until you have established credibility with a lady you need to put down a deposit. I am a hobbyist and I agree with it. I have plans to see a local provider in LA that requires a pretty heffty deposit. Her reputation has made her so popular that she books almost a month in advance.  She can't afford no shows. Her policy... Cancel me once, the deposit is good for a next visit, cancel me twice and you forfeit your deposit.

Don't like the rules, see somebody else..
Seems to me San Te you have reached a cross road in regards to the whole porn star experience... Pay to Play or my favorite, shit or get off the potty.....

JlDick50,

Did not see any links attached to reviews you had done on pornstars. Could you provide us with them. I would be very interested in learning from your experience which PSE's you had seen that did not require deposits and how those appointments went.

The deposit issue applies to ALL escorts and providers.  This includes both porn star escorts and non porn star escorts.  I use the more general terms of escorts and providers to encompass both groups.

As I clearly pointed out in my post a porn star isn't going to be able to just change their name.  However, the word does not always get out on these porn stars that do rip off.  How many guys were ripped off by JR Carrington over the years before that came to light?  When the first guy posted about her rip offs and those of others he came under abuse.  Now he no longer even posts on the boards.   As I have said, there are plenty of guys who have been ripped off that just remain silent.  Also, as I pointed there are many girls without any reviews or information.  The number of porn stars with reviews is small relative to those that are providing.

As to Candy or any provider, she can run her business in any manner she so desires.  As she pointed out, many can still see her without a deposit.  There are also plenty of porn star providers who can be seen without a deposit.  

I don't agree with assessment that paying a deposit seperates the men from the boys.  In fact I think it is unwise for a hobbyist to put his money at risk by paying a deposit.  Hell, with the no show rate of porn star providers the hobbyist should be the one requesting deposits.  So I repeat, NEVER give an escort, porn star or an agency a deposit!

95% of the people who just posted in this thread would not even be required to make a deposit. I want everyone to go and read the first post I made on the thread, think to yourself, "Does this include me" and you will most likely find you are exempt!!! Ok I was threatened by the guy who started this. He told me if I posted what happened he would make things more horrible than I could possibly imagine. He had no handle on the boards, he claimed he had used E2k but when I suggested "let's call" there in his room he got angry and began to get hostile. He was from overseas and could prove that. . . BUT SO WHAT!!! It is guys like these who can not provide SOLID references that will now be making deposits!!!! He, like many others, found me on TER and that is why I posted on TER. So when Joe Blow from Witchita calls or Philipe from france calls and they are kinda wishy washy but not threatening I can still feel comfy booking with them. I mean come on people. this is the only point I am trying to make. I think San Te hit it on the nose when he pointed out that not very many will even be in this category, including himself. Anyways, I am done with this thread. I will be posting my new contact number in a few hours. I have never stood anyone up and never will. AND FOR THE LAST TIME!!!! please read very carefully. . . . . deposits are required for specific instances. Those of you on this board that have disagreed with me, well. . . . many of you also have nothing to worry about if you booked. . . you post, have solid references. So have a nice hot cup of buttered rum or whatever fancies you, enjoy the holidays and please see my post for what it is and don't blow it up and out. . . .thats my job. . . .the blowin that is

Candy, after reading this last post by you, I went back an re-read your original post again, (twice).  No where in your first post, did you ever mention a specific person , or a specific problem.

I'm sure everyone read your first post just as I did.  That you had NUMEROUS cancellations, from insincere jerks, and because of this, you were disrespected, and suffered a financial loss.

After reading your first post, I felt very bad for you, since it seemed as though you were too trusting.  I thought that I would come to your defense, and to encourage you to REQUIRE deposits.  Deposits are the ONLY way to cover your ass, reference your time and your expenses.

If a TRUE gentleman wants to spend time with you, he should have no problem meeting your requirements.  As harsh as it seems,,,, this is a business, and both parties should conduct themselves accordingly.

You are fairly new to this whole scene, take some advice,, thoroughly verify who you are dealing with,, in advance of your meeting.   Your safety should come first!  Once you are there, your fair game.  The world is full of nameless assholes, some of who, can be very dangerous.

It goes without saying that there are a FEW hobbyists that don't fall into the above description, so a deposit and verification would not apply.

Your first post was very mis-leading, you said that the MEN on the East Coast were to blame for your new policy, not just ONE guy.  Had your original post included the facts, I would have worded my posts a little differently.  Unfortunately, I feel protective about the ladies in our business, and I come to their defense, sometimes, when maybe I should not.

I do not agree with you on San TE, he is not a well known hobbyist; based on his limited participation, based on his number of reviews; his name is on the boards, but it is all fluff.  But it's your business, and you can conduct it in any manner you want, this is just my words of advice.  Be safe.



-- Modified on 12/12/2002 11:11:14 AM

I CAN'T READ THIS SHIT ANYMORE,,,,without telling the other side of the story,I met w/this overseas guy twice for many hours and he was the biggest sweetheart ive met,easy going w/no drama polite and with the upmost class at the Four Seasons in NY city....also ive sent Amber Lynn in to spend the night and she thinks very highly of him!!!!
im so very sorry you had A terriable time for the few minates you were there w/this guy ,he told me about it right away and was very upset...............he said you walked in and you was not what he excepted ,you had gotten very hostile w/ him demanding all the money after he was willing to tip you just for showing up,that was not good enough for you (see these things do happen-ive had one bad experiance as well,you just have to move on,and not fly off the handle as you did)
he is now calling Amber and myself,ready to take action,you know what he's really stating ,you called him yesterday demanding now 1,700 for late charges and taking him to court for services that has'nt even taking place,,,and your continuing to this persute and changed your #
im not trying to dissrespect you, just tell the whole story

Thanks for the complete story, that type of behavior is "completely" unacceptable.

I will now think twice before getting involved in someone else's problem.

no more board. I was trying to give an expample I still maintain what I said above. please contact me and at least here the truth. I have never lied about anything and have no reason to now

-- Modified on 12/12/2002 1:08:49 PM

contact me for the whole story or rather the reak story. I have attemtpted to contact you.

-- Modified on 12/12/2002 1:07:00 PM

you should do some research prior to running your mouth.

First, if you would have done some research you would know I have been around for years.  If you would have done some research you would be able to find my reviews all over the internet.  If you would have done some research you would know I was the one answering Fast Eddie's questions when he was a newbie.  Hell, I even remember when Doc's first posts on the boards.  I was the one helping him out with his questions about a particular porn star.  So no, I am a well seasoned veteran to this game, so stop running your mouth until you have a clue.

Second, the same names do always come up.  That is one of the problems.  Do you think they are the only quality porn star providers?  Do you also think that they all have perfect records?  Didn't you read about Doc's experience with Nikita Denise?  Did you see how others chimed in about Doc's negative experience and try to play it down?  Do you see Doc posting on the public boards anymore?

Third, the short of your post is you don't have a clue.  The short of it is you DON'T have to pay a deposit to see the vast majority of porn stars.  Furthermore, you should read what Fast Eddie and Doc have said about deposits.

So in closing, go ahead and pay the deposits if you so desire.  As Kathy stated, a fool and his money are soon parted.  However, I will continue to look out for my fellow hobbyists and continue to state NEVER GIVE AN ESCORT, PORN STAR OR AGENCY A DEPOSIT!



-- Modified on 12/12/2002 12:43:07 PM

I am truly sorry. What I said was true. Lalamann, I am sure he siad exactly that to you. I would hope that you would have a little faith in a fellow provider. I AM NOT MAKINIG ANYTHING UP!! Kathy, I am sorry that you lost faith in supporting me but I still maintain that what I said in my first post is exactly how I feel. I was told to expect something bad to happen to me if I spoke out, so if ruining my reputation is that than OK. Well, I deal with it. I have never said anythign mean about anyone on these boards especially women and I never even put a name to a post. You know I don;t even want to do this any mor. So I guess, its been fun!! As far as the flaking goes I can name ten or fifteen names of men in the last two months who have flaked. Everybody reaches there breaking point and I reached mind. I don't appreciate the remarks that were made seeing as they were not true. I simply just wanted to post that I would now be taking deposits for certain meetings. Thats all. sorry if I said something wrong. geez. maybe I shouldn't say anything at all

Kathy you really shouldn't speak or attack someone when you don't have a clue on what you are talking about.  I have many reviews on the boards; just do a search and you will find them.  Furthemore, I know Candy; we have met and I even saw her friend who she was rooming with in Vegas.  So you can continue to attack people who don't agree with your point of view.  This is the type of tactic I mentioned in one of my other posts.

The fact remains a hobbyist can see the vast majority of porn star providers WITHOUT a deposit.

I don't do reviews, but if you search my alias you will see some of my posts and get an idea of some but not all of the ladies I have seen. I have never given a deposit and I have never gone through an agency, I know enough PSEs that I can always get a referral to see just about anyone I want, even PSEs that don't advertise and only do a limited number of privates, most of the time I get a far better rate than you would going through an agency. Most of the ladies I see, I see on a repeat basis and I see them socially as well, I get invited to birthday parties Christmas parties and holiday dinners, and many of them I have met their famlies as well, mothers, brothers ect.I choose not to do reviews, mainly because if you knew what a good deal I get from many of these ladies it would just piss you off and even if I gave you my personal contact info, it wouldn't do you any good.This sunday I will be attending a Christmas party given by a well known PSE in the LA area and many of her PSE friends will be there and I will make many new contacts Iam sure and all with out the need for a deposit.

Your starting to sound like your paranoid.  I have not attacked you, I have not said anything derogatory about you, no name calling,,,,,,,NOTHING.

I have not attacked anyone in this thread, I've only expressed my thoughts, and given my views regarding deposits,and the types of jerks who are out there, that cause problems for girls in this business.

Now I stand by my post,,,,, based on your PUBLISHED REVIEWS,,,,, you have four (4) reviews.  And based on that EVIDENCE, you are not a senior hobbyist.  Your constantly posting info that you've read on Luke Ford, Gene Ross and AVN, to name a couple, as I said before,,,,fluff.

It's not my job to search the boards for your multitude of reviews, if you have ANY MORE than just 4, why are they not in the review data base??  I of course expect you to say, "the girls didn't want reviews done".

Between you and JLdick, I guess you two have seen everyone, only problem is; you only have 4, and he has no reviews in the data base.

San Te is not new to this game, but you are and the fact that you have to brag about your conquests (LOL) shows how new or immature you really are(ROTFLMAO)

Thats a very small list compared to the number of PSES that do privates, many of who never advertise and will never have a review on TER. You say you are new to this, so we will excuse your rude behavior and F   ing attitude, but you will never make friends here by picking a fight with San Te, a person who reall does know how this game is played.

Bullshit.  Your comments about me were derogatory in nature and were/are indeed an attack.  You constantly run your mouth off when you don't know what you are talking about.  You can stand by your uninformed and erroneous post all you want.  The reviews have appeared on the various porn star message boards, PUBLISHED for the world to see.  Furthermore, I comment when someone posts a question about an escort I have seen.  For instance, the question about Alexa on this page.  I have only withheld a few reviews, mainly because they are/were under contract with a video company.  So you and any supporters you can drum up can try and continue with your tactics but it isn't going to work.

There is nothing derogatory in any of my posts, I'm only commenting on my observations.  On this page alone, you have commented on Tera Patrick, April, and Barret Moore.

Now maybe I'm taking your statments too literally, when you say; " I only comment when someone posts a question about an escort I have seen".

Does that mean you have seen Tera Patrick, April and Barret Moore?  Or that you just felt the desire to give us more "fluff".

As for running my mouth off about things I don't know.  All of my posts were about the reasons a girl should require a deposit, which is not Rocket Science, and plain to see by all who have read my posts.

If your reviews have appeared on all of the various Porn Star Message Boards, I urge you to tell us which ones, plus who was the girl, and when was the review. As I know I don't have a crystal ball, and I'm sure no one else has one.

Until you can provide this information,,, I will stick to my post, as the ONLY proof of your escapades are the 4 reviews in the review data base.

I will be more than happy to concede that I made a statement that was incorrect, but as of right now, I can only comment on the information at hand.

Your post was very derogatory.  It is equivalent if I were to have tried to disparage your credibility by stating you can't be considered a porn star because you only have a few video credits in a particular adult film database and therefore your comments are just "fluff".  Your paragraph had no other purpose than to attack.

As to my comment regarding my reviews, you should reference the entire comment.  I stated "The reviews have appeared on the various porn star message boards, PUBLISHED for the world to see.  Furthermore, I comment when someone posts a question about an escort I have seen."  Meaning, I will repeat some comments when someone requests review information like I did in the request regarding Alexa.  I made no mention of reviews or any of the other porn stars you mentioned.  These were relevant topics and very appropriate.  This is after all a discussion board.  I guess we should all just talk about your reviews on this board.

As to your comments regarding why girls should require deposits, my comments all related to why a hobbyist should not pay a deposit.  I also stated the vast majority of girls do not require a deposit.  This is as you state not "Rocket Science" and plain to see.

The reviews are around and as you have stated in one of your posts, do your research.  But to put an end to your nonsense, here is a list of porn stars I have seen:

Sunset Thomas

Nici Sterlyng

Dominique Simone

Courtney Taylor

Holly Body

Gauge

Samantha Strong

Mickey Lynn

Kortknee

Bunny Bleu

Alexa Rae

Carmen Diego

Lynn Lemay

Nikita

Phyllisha Anne

Samantha Sterlyng

A few others who are under contract with video companies.  One of which is the friend of Candy's that I mentioned in a prior post.  I am sure Candy will vouch that I have seen that particular lady and that it would be inappropriate for me to mention her name now.

A couple on the list were not reviewed.  However, the majority were reviewed.  Most of these reviews have appeared on either TBD, the now defunct SWAFS and some on here.

Oh, by the way, only one of the porn star escorts have ever asked for a deposit, and that was Alexa Rae.  And to answer your next question, NO I didn't provide a deposit.  Oh, another by the way, Alexa did end up flaking on a guy and stiffing him for the deposit as posted on TBD.  So I repeat, NEVER GIVE AN ESCORT, PORN STAR OR AGENCY A DEPOSIT!

I've never met Candy, although I've planned to for some time, the main reason being that she gets consistantly great reviews on all boards, fulfills everything that to me makes for a PSE, and in fact has earned a reputation for being very accomodating and staying a lot longer than the scheduled time.  So based on those facts, my inclination here is to give her the benefit of the doubt and figure that there is another side to the story.

I also feel that she took the high road in her original post and made a rather simple and general statement about requiring deposits... She didn't originally bring up a problem about a specific guy... whether out of fear, (which would lend credence her story), or just wanting to make things short and simple without slamming a hobbyist, she simply stated a change in policy... whether you agree or disagree with that policy is what this huge thread was originally about, until it got sidetracked into something more.

I've heard a lot of horror stories from most of the ladies I've gotten to know, and while we all agree that many pornstars are flakey, there are also a lot of asshole hobbyists out there as well... usually we only hear the stories about the ladies, because unless a guy is a danger to other adult stars, it's just not good business for pornstars to air their complaints on a board dominated by former, current and prospective clients... and this thread is a perfect example of that.

With no disrespect to LA, whom I've met and like very much, I think it might have been better if she had emailed Candy privately to discuss the details of what occured between themselves before jumping into the fray...

Anyway, that's just my humble opinion...

-- Modified on 12/12/2002 8:13:19 PM

So I am clueless and should do my homework. Okay here is alittle homework. First off we are on TER boards. I don't know what other boards your steller reputation is built on but based on this one lets share some facts with the public:

First off you have 4 published reviews.  The last one being in December of 2001. So your credibility and experience are stretched pretty thin.  Now lets get to your actual reviews.

Last porn star you saw was Alexa Rae---  You gave her a 2!
Before that you reviewed a girl Paris that you posted a 4!
Hannah you posted a WHOPPING 6.
YOur other porn star Nici Sterling an 8.

So with all your bosting of experience and knowing   tons of porn stars,  your experiences have been less that satisfactory by anyone's standards. Something I find odd from such an experienced hoggyist as yourself!!!
Little clueless me on the otherhand has only 3 reviews but they were spread out over 3 months not two years... TamiFan who is a hobbyist that has only been around for 3 months has had 6 pornstar experiences!!! Interestingly enough, all his appointments have been 9's and 10's with the exception of one 8.

I am stating facts here.. Why is it that we at least from the reviews have had better experiences then you have with all your experience? Who is truly the fool here? The one that is so inflexible and uncompromising or the one that isn't? You might have saved yourself a deposit, and instead wasted the payment on a bad experience because you were too cheap to pay a deposit to one of these steller ladies. Guess you won't be seeing Mike Lee, or Ryan Conner or Keisha..
As far as FastEddie and Doc rallying against paying deposits, while I respect both of them, they are not the final arbitrators on this matter. The other thing to keep in mind is that they have a significant amount of verifiable published reviews. FastEddie has 15!! That shows longevity, but more importantly, it shows someone who is willing to back up his chatter with cash paid.The Girls recognize this as well as hobbyists. I think TamiFan is moving into that category, because he can demonstrate that he is a serious hobbyist.  If Eddie and Doc didn't have to pay deposits maybe a large part of it has to do with the fact that they earned it..

Now some analogies... Tell me what you think happens when you book a reservation into an upscale hotel?? They often require a credit card number if you want them to hold the room and they have a cancelation policy. Guess what, you don't conform to their policy, you lose your deposit, and they don't care what the reason is. Buy tickets over the internet. You know once you agree to the terms they are non-refundable..  So there is nothing so strange here..

These girls are not being unreasonable asking for a deposit for first time clients they have never met. I will go one step further. From one clueless big mouth to one arrogant big mouth..
Even if the girl did not require a deposit, if I had to cancel at the last minute I would send something even if was not requested. I would in Fact insist on it, or make a donation to a charity of theirs?? Why do such a foolish thing? Because I also have a reputation to protect... If the girl is unable to make up the lost income as a result of her expectation of an appointment with me, to me it is the right thing to do. Now that is just me. Call it foolish, clueless, un-necessary, but it has to do with the values that are a part of me.

Finally one piece advise from this clueless hobbyist.. Before you
put forth your views as something beyond your personal views, and I mean projecting yourself as an advocate of the hobbyist, put your money where your mouth is. Go spend the money on the Porn Stars,  Post the FUCKIN Reviews here on TER not some other board and then maybe I and others will give a shit as to what you have to say.. Until then you are just blowin smoke up everybody's ass..


Actually that is not totally true.. Right now your posts and advise are very useful. I know if I do the exact opposite as you suggest I will probably have a very rewarding experience...

Now you sound like Don Ho, you remember him, from the defunct SWAFS.  He liked to spout off about how many videos of mine were in some data base.  Like I told him, I could care less how many of the 20 videos of mine are listed.  If there's 6 in one, or 11 in another one, makes no difference to me.  I don't need to advise these sites of all of my titles.

As I've said before many times, I don't need to pat myself on the back.  I am able to pick and choose when and if I want to make a video, and still be highly regarding in the Industry.  

I'm sure YOU remember how many times JP has related the above, and how I only pick quality projects to do.  I don't need to make 5 videos a week to have a name.  Anyone can do that.

As I said, maybe I took you too literally, as you now have pointed out. As for your reviews at SWAFS, those are long gone.  As for Sunset, I won't go into where you saw her, and under what circumstances. As for the other ladies, it's common knowledge that they work at Silverlake.

Once again, I have made my statement based on what is available to read.  I will say this however, all 4 of your reviews here at TER, are negative reviews, ,,, I wonder why?  If you have this world of knowledge available to you, why is it you find yourself in these situations?

-- Modified on 12/12/2002 9:40:47 PM

I have better things to do with my time then to debate these issues with you San Te.

I responded to Candy's initial post, because I am a fellow PS provider and I am very aware of what some ladies go thru trying to be independant. I pointed out what I thought was a more professional way for a PS to cover herself while on tour, have your gentlemen friends give a deposit, no more, no less.

But like always, San Te showed up and as usual things tend to take a turn for the worse.


You and I have had these discussions before and we will never agree. So I don't feel the need to continue with this discussion any further.

But I will end with this, it's all about CHOICE, Porn Stars have requirements just like the hobbyists have requirements, if your not comfortable with her requirements, book someone else, it's very simple.

Kathy, my, my how you are now getting very touchy.  I am just drawing a parallel to what you posted about me.  It is okay for you to question my credibility and my status as a senior hobbyist because my reviews don't appear in a database.  But when I draw a parallel about your credibility and status as a true porn star because your videos don't appear in a database you get all defensive.  It seems a bit hypocritical to me.


As to Sunset Thomas, I have seen her twice; once as incall at the Moonlight Bunnyranch and a second time as outcall in Vegas. As to the other ladies, only a few have worked at Silverlake.  I have seen Kortknee twice; once at Silverlake and once as outcall in LA.  The only others I have seen at Silverlake are Holly Body, Dominique Simone and Lynn Lemay.  Once again you are making a disparaging comment.  I guess in your mind seeing them at Silverlake somehow compromises my credibility.  Once again, you make a comment that serves nothing other than to attack.

As to the four reviews you mention, three are indeed negative.  Nici Sterlyng's review was positive.  I believe it was one of the first reviews I posted toward getting membership.  The other reviews are negative and were posted to the database so other hobbyists won't experience the same fate.  I have absolutely no plans to ever post a review in said database unless it is negative.  So to answer your final disparaging question; with this world of knowledge, I have only had three negative experiences.  The vast majority of my experiences have been extremely positive!

I am not at all touchy on the subject.  I simply stated the facts as to my videos.

You on the other hand pointed out that YOUR reviews were PUBLISHED for the World to read.  Well I took your advice, and I did a search on each and everyone of the Porn Stars you claimed to have seen.

I did this search on TBD, and guess what,,,, there are NO REVIEWS by you on ANY of these girls.  So maybe you need to tell us all, just where we can find them.

As I said, I'm willing to correct my statement.

Kathy, the thread took a turn for the worse when you posted your long rant.  I didn't say a word until I saw your rant.  But once again in your final post you make a disparaging comment about me.

You are right on one thing we are not going to agree.  I do like to see you are now basically saying what I have said earlier, the escort can run her business any way she sees fit.  However, just as you are going to continue to advocate collecting deposits I am going to continue to advocate never paying a deposit.

-- Modified on 12/12/2002 11:12:35 PM

LOL.  I guess you don't search too well.

Here is a link to my comments about Sunset Thomas on TBD.

http://public1.boards.bigdoggie.net/messageboards/national-pornstar/msgs/posts/58.html

I am not about to go through several years worth of posts looking for reviews on your behalf.  Is there any one in particular you would like me to find?  Also bear in mind some reviews may have appeared on local TBD boards when they didn't have the porn star board.

-- Modified on 12/12/2002 11:29:26 PM

You call that a review??  I did not search each and every page at TBD.  I searched the review data base, and there are NO reviews by you, on ANY of the girls you mentioned.

I understand your position on posting negative reviews, so as to inform others of your experiences, and what to expect.

What I don't understand, is why you won't post a good review, so as to inform others what that particular girl is like, and what to expect.

Could it be that you are a male chauvinist, and don't really want a girl to prosper from a positive review???

-- Modified on 12/12/2002 11:37:03 PM

...read sarcasm. This has gotten way off topic and frankly you both are starting to sound childish...maybe you two should take this somewhere else.

LOL, now you disagree with how I posted about my experience.  First off there wasn't even a review database when that was posted.  Hell, there wasn't even TER.  TBD didn't get a review database until they went to a pay site.  The details of these reviews are not available to the general readers of the board.  You would have to be a member to read the reviews.  I have not, and will not post a review when others have to pay to view said review.  So I guess that makes me a male chauvinist. LOL

Here is another one for you.  This is a nice long winded review with nice details which should be more to your liking.  In fact, so good it even ended up on Luke Ford's site.  Hmn, did you ever think I may have limited the amount of details on reviews so they wouldn't end up on site's such as Luke Ford's.  I guess that also makes me a male chauvinist.

Here is the link, the review is at the bottom of the page:

http://www.lukeford.com/stars/female/phyllisha_anne.htm

Well, I am off to sleep, but please feel free to continue to rant.  I will not have internet access until early tomorrow evening but I can't wait to see your posts.

There is an old saying,,, "give a man enough rope, and he'll hang himself"

As I stated earlier, I have only been on the boards for about 18 months.  So anything posted before that time, I have no knowledge of.

Based on YOUR 4 PUBLISHED  reviews, I don't consider you a senior hobbyist.  I said I would be happy to acknowledge that I was wrong,,,, that is if ANYONE could find your reviews in a data base.  Trying to be fair, and wanting to rectify my statement  (if I was incorrect), I did a search, unfortunately, I could not find anything to support your claim.

Now you say that; " I have not, and will not post a review when others have to pay to view said review".

Well if that statement is correct, how did your reviews get into the data base???  By osmosis ?

What makes you look like a chauvinist is this:

You only post reviews that are bad;  very good information for the hoobyist, BAD for the girl.

If you were a TRUE HOBBYIST, you would also post a review that was good, ie., very good information for the hobbyist, AND good for the girl.

Why is it that you only want to give out information that is BAD for a girl??

Now to once again quote you; " The other reviews are negative, and were posted to the database, so other hobbyists won't experience the same fate.  I have absolutely no plans to ever put a review in said database, unless it's negative".

That is chauvinistic, to me.

I swear, you do the 2-step better than Gene Kelly ever did!

I will end this with this:  I've searched review databases, there is nothing there, you HAVE posted reviews in databases, even though you stated that you don't.

I do not have a crystal ball, and don't have the time to search "The National Archives".

-- Modified on 12/13/2002 11:27:49 AM

Kathy, you just keep attacking.  You claim you have searched and could not even find one review on TBD.  Kathy, I just provided you 2 links to reviews that were on TBD; but here is another; this one is of Lynn Lemay:

http://public1.boards.bigdoggie.net/messageboards/national-pornstar/msgs/posts/14760.html

Then in your post above, once again you only post part my whole quote "Now you say that; " I have not, and will not post a review when others have to pay to view said review"."

Here is the whole quote which was in reference to your asking why there are no reviews in the database at TBD:

"First off there wasn't even a review database when that was posted.  Hell, there wasn't even TER.  TBD didn't get a review database until they went to a pay site.  The details of these reviews are not available to the general readers of the board.  You would have to be a member to read the reviews.  I have not, and will not post a review when others have to pay to view said review."

The reviews are NOT in the database; as I have stated many times they are on the message boards, where everybody can read the review; not just the paid members.

As to your quote, I only post bad reviews that is just more total nonsense from your mouth.  I just provided you with some links and those reviews are all positive; as are the vast majority of reviews I have posted on the boards.  I have only had one really negative session with a porn star; all others have been positive.

As to me posting negative reviews in the database making me a chauvinist, well that is just plain ridiculous.  This is done to prevent hobbyists from experiencing the same fate.  This was the main purpose these boards even came into existance; to help the hobbyist stay are from the rip offs, cash and dash etc.

As to your last quote, "I will end this with this:  I've searched review databases, there is nothing there, you HAVE posted reviews in databases, even though you stated that you don't." You contradict yourself in your own sentence.  But to repeat and hopefully clear it up, my reviews appear on the message boards at TBD, not the database.

It seems as though the longer my posts are, the more you miss, so I'll keep it short, but do more posts.

I am NOT attacking you,,,,, only stating facts,, that you have offered to us.

"I have not, and will not post a review when others have to pay to view said review".   If that is a true statement,,, then how did your 4 reviews get into the TER review base????

I am quite aware this is TER pornstar board.  However, the first and original porn star board was on TBD.  There was also a club called SWAFS on yahoo.  At first, TBD was a great place but much of that changed when they became a pay site.  Most of the regular posters on TBD were also members of the yahoo group and preferred it because it didn't have all the censorship of TBD.  Many of the original posters on TBD stopped posting there and only posted on SWAFS.  After SWAFS was shut down (I will address that later) Doc was able to get TER to start up this board.  It has only been around for a few months while TBD pornstar board has been around for years.  I was one of the original contributors to both TBD and SWAFS.  Many of the posters on this board are/were contributors of TBD and SWAFS.  My reviews have appeared on the TBD and SWAFS message boards.  If you would have done some research you would have known.

Once again you show your ignorance, the vast majority of my porn star experiences have been positive.  The only real negative experience was the one with Alexa Rae (I will get back to this also).

Now to continue on with my history lesson and tie up some things regarding those 15 reviews Fast Eddie has posted.  SWAFS had become extremely popular with thousands of members.  As I said many posters had left TBD because if you said anything negative about a paying advertising agency or girl it would get deleted etc.  The board had become just a list of in search ofs and advertisements.  SWAFS was uncensored and Doc had posted that Body Miracle was the agency who had given his real name and information to Luke Ford's site where it was published for the world to see.  It was later edited out but damage had been done.  Also, I had posted that Body Miracle had offered Fast Eddie a free session with Alexa Rae to get her a positive review to negate my negative review.  Needless to say I was pissed at what they were attempting; especially after seeing the lies Alexa's friends were posting on TBD.  I also disclosed that Fast Eddie had an arrangement with Body Miracle not to pay full price.  Fast Eddie, did disclose the arrangement on SWAFS.   These things did not make Body Miracle look too good.  If I recall they started posting and somebody commented about the shilling.  Mysterically, one day yahoo was tipped off about the board and it was deleted.  The feeling of the group was that Body Miracle was the tipster.  This is how this board came about.

So to sum it up for you I have been around and have posted reviews on these other boards.  You can question attack my credibility but it isn't going to work.  I would also like to say it is attacking posts like yours which have driven many of the major contributors off the boards.

I agree with you, the main purpose for these boards is to help the hobbyist.  And you post ONLY negative reviews.  "This is done to prevent hobbyists from experiencing the same fate".

I agree, it should be done.

But why don't you post GOOD reviews?  I'm sure that the other hobbyist would like that information as well.

That's why I said your attitude is chauvinistic,,,you don't post anything that will help a girl,,,, only hurt her.

A TRUE HOBBYISTS, posts ALL of the information that he has, good and bad.

Why won't you post a good review in the database??????

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And finally, I did not contradict myself.   I was only pointing out that YOU have contradicted yourself.

You state that you don't post in review databases.

But you have, unless as I said before, the reviews got there via osmosis.

Your whole entire thread has been nothing but an attack but I will politely answer your question.

The quote above was in reference to your question regarding TBD.  I posted my reviews on the message boards, not in the database.  The main reason for not posting in the TBD database was only paid members had access.  As to TER, I have posted 4 reviews in their database.  Two were posted when TER first came into existence to get the membership.  One of those two original reviews was later updated so it will have a different date.  One review was a negative review on a local escort; she was a transplant from another city and was advertising on the boards.  I answered questions about her on TBD and then put the review in TER's database to hopefully help a hobbyist.  The forth review on Alexa was originally a fake review submitted by one of Alexa's supporters.  You should recall I was the first one to post a review on Alexa on TBD.  This was also her first public review and it hurt her business.  There were attempts to negate my review; one being that Body Miracle offered a free session to Fast Eddie.  Needless to say I was upset and Fast Eddie and I got into it a bit both on private and public boards.  Fast Eddie didn't take Body Miracle's offer.  When the fake review was brought to my attention, TER deleted the fake review and replaced it with my information and changed me to the reviewer.  Those are the reasons why I posted reviews in TER's database.

Now to address any future question about why I don't post positive reviews in TER's free database.  There are are actually a few. One reason is TER didn't have a porn star board.  I am pretty sure they weren't even around when TBD started their porn star board.  I did the vast majority of my posting on TBD, including my reviews.  When Doc was finally able to get TER to start a pornstar board, I had asked him to try and get TER to waive their 3 month time window for reviews so I and others might be able to post our reviews in the database.  This didn't occur.  Even if they had waived their time frame on reviews I probably still would not have posted because they want the reviews to be way too explicit.  If it doesn't read like a forumn letter it will get rejected.  In my opinion, the reviews are just way too explicit; especially given the legal climate on these boards.

So to repeat, I will continue to only post reviews on the message boards where everybody has full access.

Why do you keep insisting I don't post GOOD reviews?  I repeat, I have really only had one negative experience with a porn star provider.  The vast majority of my reviews have been positive and have been posted.  You have claimed I didn't post any of these reviews but I have provided you links to several of them.  I go out of my way to help fellow hobbyists.  You are totally off base.  As to adding good reviews to TER's database I anticipated your question and already covered it in my last post.  If you have difficulty finding it, let me know, I will provide you with a link.

Indeed you did contradict yourself.

Here is YOUR quote "I will end this with this:  I've searched review databases, there is nothing there, you HAVE posted reviews in databases, even though you stated that you don't."

On the one hand you have been claiming I am not a credible hobbyist because you could not even find one of my reviews.  Then on the other hand you state there are indeed reviews.  Make up your mind.

I have provided a list of the porn stars I have seen when you disparaged my credibility with comments that I haven't seen any porn stars.  I have provided you links to reviews when you have said I have not posted any reviews.  I have covered my reasons on why and where I post my reviews.  I have spelled out everything clearly.  However, you continue on your course of attack.  Kathy, it isn't working!



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