here is the question What makes a person to be able to call them self a porn star?????


that term is used very losely Many providers call them self porn stars some who i never heard of

so when you do reasearch you find out they stared in 1 film
i would think a porn star would have to do a number of films and be in the business for at least a year or do a certin number of scenes and have some name recognigition


as i search there are providers calling them porn stars. And some  porn stars never heard of them. I asked a porn star if she heard of so and so and the porn star i asked said WHO?? never heard of her.

just because i can change the oil in my car does not make me a certified mechanic????

this should be interesting to see what people think.

thanks in advance

col hogan



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narrow the field to only contracted porn actresses.

I think most members just want to know whether the lady they met appeared in a porn video available in their local video stores.

Just my 2 cents.

very interesting most professions you must have crudentials before you can title your self

If you are referring to listings on TER, it says porn actress, not porn star and the lady would only need to make one video in order to qualify as a porn actress.
HAPPY HUNTING

an AVN nomination/award ... in any category

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-- Modified in lieu of apollo1's noted difficulties in applying this criterion to "average" pornstars/starlets/PSEs/etc

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There arent that many girls under contract.Not really enough AVN nominations the awards are in Jan what if she starts in Feb do you have to wait 11 months ? I would like to think you need at least 5 scenes or credits by major companies to be considered but who would monitor this ?

Guys, you gotta remember that this "hobby" isn't a real business... There are no regulating bodies that set down definitions, so any girl can call herself what she wants, and the word "pornstar" allows her to tack on a couple hundred extra to her fee.

So if a girl does a webshoot on "cumfiesta.com", she calls herself a pornstar.  If she does an amateur vid, she calls herself a pornstar.

A very highly regarded touring provider named Rebecca Luv used to be available for $350/hr.  She's done a few minor scenes in a couple of videos, now she's Rebecca Love, Pornstar touring at $1500/hr.

Add to that the definition of pornstar is different among hobbyists... I don't consider a girl who's done a bunch of gonzo videos to be a real pornstar, even if she's done a half dozen of them or more.  In my eyes, a porn STAR has a persona about her that elevates her almost to celebrity status... A Terri Weigel or Taylor Wayne are pornStars, Kathy Willets, even though her body of work isn't the largest, has achieved a celebrity status because of her story and national exposure, which makes her a pornStar...

Now, that's my definition... I'm sure some will disagree, but everyone has his own ideas, and it's who WE perceive as pornstars that matter, not what a girl calls herself.

Any woman who has knowingly had sex taped for resale
can call herself a Porn Star. E.g. she 'starred' in a
porn movie. There are women who do one or two. They
certainly aren't Christy Canyon or Jenna Jameson, but
they can call themselves PS.

there's a saying about hot young rising starlets on their way up the porn ladder of fame who blossom into mega-star porn "celebrities" (who eventually end up costing us "poor" hobbyists our goddamn mortgages!

which must've been coined by amateur porn-King directors/actors ... "we get them on their way UP and also on their way DOWN" !

meaning (perhaps) that in the bizarre parallel porn-universe of Hollywood, somewhere an aging "faded" porno-Queen can be heard uttering these words:

"I'm ready for my anal gangbang, Mr. Powers"

(that's only funny if you've seen "Sunset Boulevard"

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now ... if only i could get rid of these pop-ups on cumfiesta.com !  LOL

and guys ... don't tell me that you DIDN'T check out that site (was first time for me)... but hey!  i spotted a hot little Brit import on there that i wouldn't mind "forking", Ashley Long ... better get her now while she's cheap. this girl may be going places!  LOL

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therefore despite the validity of Eddie's (and others) comments, the case could be made that "WE THE PEOPLE" who defined the PSE database here on TER should (theoretically) be able to come up with a sensible criterion to weed out the nonsensical "PSEs" and do it  irrespective of the "norms" in the adult industry (the pun on "norm" in the porn industry was intended btw!

and once again, the "if-ya-can-grab-her-vid-off-the-shelf" criterion that i proposed earlier strikes me as a fair one. there are PLENTY of adult-DVD inventory websites and online databases that one can used to cross-check the "facts" ... also this criterion would rightly rule out webhost-only "porn actresses"

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Marketing is right, I checked Rebecca's web site, and found this rather lengthy review of her web site. I didn't post a link, because I believe the new posting rules prohibit that. Rebecca does look great, super little spinner body, but your point is well taken FE, a year or so in the "porn biz" and the rates get jacked up to high heaven.........

it seems like there are only two kinds of ladies who really make it in porn, and then can command the high dollars, really attractive ladies, like Jenna J who are super stars, and then attractive ladies, who light up not only the screen, but their reviews as well. All the rest just fall somewhere in the forgettable middle.

Rebecca is cute and sexxy looking enough, and I haven't seen any of her "work", but my guess is, she'll either start doing the really nasty stuff, and maybe end up on the dance circuit, or as one of EX 2000's or BM's over priced-over, over hyped starlets who don't get many requests for escort services. Tough to command 1500 per when you have seen so many clients at much cheaper rates, regardless of how good the reviews were..........here's the review of her web site:


Fanatics of Rebecca Luv’s XXX video performances should be advised at the outset that I’m not a longtime fan, and although I come to this site having seen a few of Rebecca’s vids, I don’t have her filmography, measurements or favorite sexual positions at the tip of my tongue.   This is a good thing, I suppose, as single porn star websites seem to glory in that kind of detail, giving the member a chance to learn something about the off-screen persona of his favorite fuck goddesses while delving into the archives for unseen footage and stills.


With this criteria in mind—that the site reveal something about the featured star while offering up sizable film and video galleries devoted, in this case, to Rebecca Luv—I take a cruise around the site.  The design work is simple and lacks whistles and bells, but the navigation is easy, and I don’t waste time with dead links or confusing graphic details trying to get a feel for what’s here.  Several popups complicate the initial visit and enrollment—one with some really choice general MIDI web music, hehe—but after ponying up the $20 for a 30 day membership, I’m quickly logged in and given the all-access pass.



Poking around here, one of the most obvious early observations is that the content at rebeccaluv.com is predominantly pics.  A XXX webcam in Rebecca’s computer room offers 24 hr. coverage, but I seemed not to be able to catch the site’s star (or her roommates) online.  Archived webcam sessions feature Rebecca with body paint, shaving, and playing with a large dildo while wearing a white wig, but both the low- and high-res streaming .wmv files in the “webcam archives” streamed at 95Kb/s, looking decent in miniature buut considerably worse as I approached a comfortable screen size.   The performances in these exclusive vids are decent and give an up-close-and-personal feel, though without sound or the option to download, and streaming at a relatively low bandwidth, they’re neither highly collectible nor state-of-the-art.

As I say, however, the real heart of Rebecca Luv’s site lies in the photo galleries.  Here you’ll find nearly 40 shoots of Rebecca hard at work.  The shoots are culled from her video work for Vivid and other big name XXX production companies, as well as from her appearances at porn industry parties and conventions.  There’s a lot here—the galleries ranging in size from 15 to more than 100 photos—and the pics are of decent quality, ranging from about 25K to 80K per image.  While the site also features a “girl of the month” gallery featuring exclusive (though fairly short) pictorials of such stars as Savanna and Olivia del Rio, many of the lesser known “girls of the month” seem actually to benefit from the occasionally poor picture quality--25K for a color .jpg photo always seems bit on the pixelized side of things for my tastes.



To repeat, though, it’s not about the “other girls” here anymore than it’s about the goofy radio pranks and flash movies featured in the “best of archives” (seemingly licensed from HumorCentral.net).  What this site is about, plain and simple, is celebrating the talent and character of Rebecca Luv, a task aided nicely by the inclusion of both a “diary” and “get personal” page.  Here, Rebecca reports on her latest industry schmooz-fests and sexual trysts, presenting a very modest portrait of herself along the way.  I don’t mean that there’s anything modest about her appearance—she refers to herself as “short, petite and small” at 5’3”, 115 lbs and comments that she’s often told that she’s “built like a brick shit house”—but simply that she seems to be fairly humble sincere about herself and her career.  For me anyway, this is a refreshing change from the usual bragging and blather that fills the average porn site’s “about me” page.



In the end. . .



           Rebeccaluv.com is a respectably constructed and served site devoted to the XXX escapades of its eponymous star.  While the 40 or so photo galleries of Luv constitute the bulk of the what the site’s got to offer, the diary, Q&A, web-cam, and multicity-hosted chat features guarantee that you’ll feel closer to Rebecca after dropping $20 for a month’s membership than you did before.  As I’ve already mentioned, however, there’s not a lot of “bonus” material here to fill out the site, and, personally, I’m left feeling no more a Rebecca Luv groupie than I was before signing on.  Leaving aside the relative lack of good (downloadable) videos and the occasionally substandard photo resolution, I’m happy to recommend this site on, though primarily to those who are already acquainted with Luv’s work and have little reservation about identifying themselves as fans.  



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The problem is that it is a "WE THE PEOPLE", and if someone chooses to select "yes" when asked PORN ACTRESS? nothing much can be done about it... I don't think it's feasible to expect TER to cross check every girl's credentials on a database to verify.

Again, IMHO this is really much ado about nothing... The true Porn Hobbyists KNOW who is and who isn't a bona fide pornstar, so when you see a name that isn't, just ignore it.

What I find more annoying on the PS database is that for whatever reason, a pornstar can have two or three seperate listings  scattered randomly with reviews from different guys, so you have to page through the entire database to make sure you've seen ALL of the reviews... I'd much rather see TER make the effort to consolidate all the reveiws so that a girl is listed only once with a complete collection of the reviews.  

And while we're on the subject, another thing I'd like to see is an occasionally update the details section... a girl can have twenty reviews, and 19 of them say she provides BBBJ,  but her detail section is based strictly by the remarks of the first guy who posted a review, so if he got a CBJ that's how she's rated.

IMHO, these things are more important than whether a girl is a true pornstar or not in determining her level of service.

but still, those 2 have been (alas still are) points of major contention (and much frustration)

frankly, i've heard so many complaints ... hell, even i ("the newbie") have reported a few multiple-listings (Wanda Curtis & LA LaMann) in the short time i've been here:

http://theeroticreview.com/msgBoard/ViewMsgBody.asp?BoardID=23&SortBy=DateCreated%20desc&Search=mann&SearchType=1&Author=singleton&DayFrom=30&DayTo=0&Submit=Submit&Messageid=13573

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TER Staff is to be commended, since evidentally Wanda's was fixed. but LA's wasn't. she now has three, count them 3 profiles on TER (probably cuz her screen name is so hard to spell consistently ... sorry LA/La/etc, but it's true!

No box cover here but that does not qualify you as a porn star maybe a porn actress

What gives a ladie the right to label herself as a porn star
most deserve it but there are some i never heard of that only did 1 movie ????????????????????????

Ciera from Washington state is a good example. Her profile says NO on the porn actress question(perhaps it needs to be updated). But she has done cum fiesta, and gang bang boat, or whatever the hell that site is, vids.

And I have never seen her advertise with any reference to her porn work, although I have read that she does discuss it with her clients sometimes.

Last, virtually every women in porno today does anal(I am curious how many of them would prefer not to), but many of these same ladies(at least according to their profiles and reviews) don't with their clients. AIDS test or not, there must be a hell of a contractual push for ladies to do greek on vid, if they're willing to take uncovered cock in the ass on film, but won't do covered greek with clients. MfSD.

In a lot of cases it has nothing to do with health concerns or contractual considerations.  Anal scenes are in such great demand these days, a lot of the ladies do them on video in order to get work - if they won't do anal, they don't get hired for that video, so it limits their opportunities for jobs. (Plus, they get paid a higher rate, but not that much higher).

At the same time, it's obviously not every girl's cup of tea, so when they escort those who don't enjoy it either don't do it, or charge enough extra for it  to compensate them for their discomfort.   I've been told by  more than one adult star that they do it in their videos, but just do not enjoy it at all.

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just tonight on Kilborn there was a little funny sketch (an exchange between Craig and Gibby) over the distinction between porn STAR and porn ACTRESS ... what are the odds?  LOL

according to Gibby: "they're ALL stars to me!"

jumpin'in!! Why not. . homeworks done! I agree!! Now, I may not fall under fast eddies  EXACT deffinition but to tell you the truth people like Terry, and, well, I know he is a dude, but Ron Jeremy, and Nina Hartley,and not available but supa star Jenna jameson, they are just way outa any "porn star" category. I mean, they are CRAZY big. Now to say that every girl should be that GIANT in order to be considered a porn star, well thats kind of UNFAIR I have done about 10- 20 scattered features, can't even remmember how many gonzos and various appearances,various mags, web work, feature shows, mainstream TV appearances, and once ended up in a promo for some vivid flick in STUFF mag or something. I am not pumpimg my self up or trying to earn porn star status but I would broaden it JUST a smidgen. . .sorry eddie, I am not picking a fight But I do agree, one or two flicks does not make a girl a star or justify upsell. Shoot, I don't even think I am a star, but I am not a nobody and if I lived in LA I would probably STILL be making my mark. I also agree. . . . it is a marketing tool. But honestly, to tell ya the truth, I was aking the supposed PSE rates before I did flicks, why?? Becuase thats what I wanted. I had no idea there was a norm and PSE norm or even different categories. For me, it is far from marketing, but what I am comfy with. To sum it up, I believe that every man or woman for that matter will have his or her own "star". Maybe she did only appear in one flick, but he LOVED her and just HAD to take a ride no matter the cost of the ticket. I believe that the title "porn star" or even "porn actress" has to be earned. . . .shoot I bent over backwards for my small claim to fame. . .literally!! Those gals should do the same

You guys have way too much time to spend!!! Hehee!
So many gossip so many inaccurate statements (the one about anal was the cherry on the cake!)...
But keep going, it's really entertaining!!! LOL!
Love
Rebecca Lord


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Candy, you DO meet my definition of a pornstar... You have an established body of work, not all gonzo, you've done magazines, etc., and more importantly, you've got that smokin' hot pornstar persona!

What a girl charges is what a girl charges.... it's her right to determine what she feels her time and efforts are worth, and I don't think anyone would argue with that.  What I meant by marketing is that often a girl will use the term "pornstar" to justify what she charges, regardless of her credentials.

and for those reasons only, that of marketing, it is BAD BAD BAD!! Well, for the integrity of the category any how. Yeah, what is the saying??  "Pay your dues"??? Well, if the shoe fits. . .. .

ROFL, you really love that co-inky-dink thing huh baby?????  You're killing me here, everytime I see it I fucking bust out laughing into tears, my ex husband used to HATE it when I'd say it, so much so that I would purposely overuse it, just to get under his skin, I'm sooooo happy to pass the torch to you!!!!
SMOOOCHES...wet sloppy ones....
nick

I read the entire thread and I do, and don't qualify under differences of criteria: check out this TER anomaly, if you will.

1. I have 1/2 of my last boxcover with my name as the starring name
2. I have the back of 3 other boxcovers with my name appearing on the front of all 3 boxcovers.
3. I have 3 g/g scenes in each of the 3 back boxcover movies, yet there are b/g scenes in the movie too, making them all XXX.
4. In the movie where I have the 1/2 of the boxcover front, I am in my first B/G harcore scene including use of anal beads.
5. The film group I was working with exclusively for that time period is also a magazine group, who doesn't seem to promote any of their films but in their mags and on their website, so you're hard pressed to find them in a video store.
6. My last movie, not yet but soon to be released, stars me, and I'm sure I'll have the boxcover again, and it's a B/G scene with full anal, not just beads, my first anal scene, and last video to do to fulfil an agreement with them, so now I can work with other film groups...
HOWEVER: if you check IADB, my name is not listed
if you check Eboobstore.com or Scoreland.com you'll see my name allover the film listings, some I wasn't even aware I was in until this debate made me do extensive research one night.
I don't know the rules about posting pics, but I'll try this one as an example of proof, and then see what you have to say about your criteria because it seems that someone like me could slip thru the cracks of the "porn recognition scene" while others are revered for the one movie they made years ago, while they still provide the same PS Experience in private.
Expert panelists, where do I stand in your opinion, given testimony and evidence already submitted, and precidents already clearly defined in this thread?

Michael, I HOPE TO GOD this site has been reviewed by TER, if not, please tell me how to post this link, as it is relevant, as well as not an advertisement for anything, merely an example/proof of a point that is being debated.

why i'm starting to talk to people at work like Ned Flanders himself!

LOL

"Expert panelists, where do I stand in your opinion, given testimony and evidence already submitted, and precidents already clearly defined in this thread?" -- Nikki "Prime USDA Certified PSE Nookie" Diamond


you had me at "anal beds" .... that's right, anal beads! ... that right there should qualify you, PERIOD!  



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