Hello Gentlemen-
 Chicago Exxotica is fast approaching and many porn stars will be traveling to the windy city and offering their services during their stay. For many years I've thought about taking the plunge, but this year I'm ready to stop thinking about it and actually fulfill a life long fantasy. In doing so, I was hoping to get a few words of advice from those who have seen porn stars in the past. Hopefully some of you can point me in the right direction.  Is it better to book through an agency or approach the women at the show? If so, how do you bring up the subject without getting slapped in the face? I usually book a 90/120 minute appointment with a provider. Is it worth the extra time with PS? As far as pictures, do most or all allow it? Is there anything else I should be aware of or expect ahead of time. Of course I've done research on who I would like to see but do any of you offer a recommendation? I feel like amateur going this route and maybe asking basic questions.........any help is appreciated. Thank you

Also, I am no expert like Fast Eddie but I did go to Exxxotica Miami last year.  I pre-booked with Eden Adams and she was terrific.  When there, I tried to book a second encounter but only Lexi Swallows and a major UTR were available.  I was'nt familiar with Lexi at the time and the UTR was $2,500 which is a little high for me.  I got the advice that year to pre-book from two or three other well educated Hobbyists.

You're bound to get a lot of different opinions with a question like this, but here is some advice from a legendary hallowed (may he Rest In Peace) TER member and moderator, Fast Eddie:

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When I first started out hobbying with pornstars, like most newbies not schooled in the art of finding PSEs, I used agencies... the big ones were Adult Star Fantasies and Exotica-2000.  Body Miracle was around but specialized in mega-boobed PSEs like Minka and Kayla Kleevage.  The big UTR agencies were Nici's Girls and Centerfolds International, who dealt primarily in long-format dates from evenings to weekends... they had little or no interest in booking hourly dates and they were more invested in Playmates and Centerfolds than pornstars.

Now, there are those here that say they never use agencies.  There's certainly nothing wrong with that philosophy, but I feel that agencies DO serve a purpose in this hobby.

Without agencies, there are a lot of cities that would never see a pornstar.  Philadelphia, Chicago, Minneapolis, Atlanta and many others would be PSE barren... no offense to some of the PSEs out there, but many of them just don't have the business sense or are capable of scheduling advertising, booking flights and hotels and setting up appointments on their own.

Also, there are some PSEs who ONLY work through an agency for various reasons; verification, advertising, etc., not to mention UTRs who for obvious reasons primarily book through an agency. And for the services they provide to the girls these agencies are entitled to make a profit.

There is a reason why agencies and independent PSEs can and do co-exist.  Granted, booking directly usually means a dollar savings, but booking through an agency gives you access to girls you otherwise wouldn't be able to see.

It boils down to a matter of priorities.  If keeping the price down is the most important one to you, than booking directly is the way to go... but if you want to see an ATF like Briana Banks or Any Reid or such, then that's your priority and money becomes, at least to an extent, secondary.

TER members make up a relatively small segment of the hobbying community.  Our discussions about contact info and direct bookings don't really affect the agencies as much as one might think, especially the UTR agencies.  Believe it or not, many of the PSEs I know who DO book directly tell me that a large percentage of their clients have never heard of TER.  And keep in mind that many hobbyists, particularly the high-rollers who use the UTR agencies, aren't necessarily looking for a specific girl; they're looking for a specific TYPE of girl.  They're well-off businessmen traveling to a city and they call the agecny and tell them "I'd like to see a tall blond with big boobs".  They don't have time to research and track down a certain escort, and many don't like the idea of 20 different girls having their personal info, so it's just more convenient for them to use an agency.

Where the agencies ARE suffering in this resession isn't in the price they charge per hour, it's the guys who used to book evenings and overnights who are now booking one or two hours instead... if they're going to discount their rates, it's going to be for the long dates, not the short ones.

So don't assume it's just a matter of time before the agencies go out of business or "see the light" and reduce their hourly rates.  I'm not saying that it won't eventually happen, but it's not going to be as soon as many think.

I suggest only one hour appointments with adult film stars unless your loaded and really want to get to know one in particular.  Book in advance and do not try to set appt at the show.  The majority of girls want to keep the show and providing completely seperate.  Also, they have busy schedules when they are there and that's why you should book in advance.  Good luck.

I've been hobbying for over 30 years, and have seen many porn stars.

Yes, you can make dates with porn stars at shows like Exxxotica.  I've done it.  But, unless you are a well-known hobbyist, and have recommendations from other porn stars or agencies, it's NOT likely to happen for you.  The thing is, this is ILLEGAL.  No porn star really wants to talk about escorting in a public forum like Exxxotica with a guy that she knows NOTHING about, and has NO REFERENCES.  As far as she knows, you could be a cop.  You could be a psycho who will rape her and/or kill her.  Or she could be worried that someone will overhear the conversation and it could ruin her career.   Another example is that a famous porn star provider was in a custody battle with her ex and she didn't want any public conversations of an illegal activity getting back to her ex to be used against her in court.

Unless you have a lot of skill, or have a very, very, discrete way of talking with her about it at the show, it really, really, really, isn't a good idea to do so.  Truthfully, even I've blown it one or two times.  Some of these ladies are very, very careful and if they provide UTR, it's even harder to talk to them about it in a public place.  

For your first porn star experience, you should go through an agency and I highly recommend TheLuxuryCompanion.com.  If you search on this board you'll see many people beside myself saying how easy it is to work with Adonia.  Adonia knows A LOT of porn stars - I've seen her walk through one of these conventions saying hello to many of them.  She has a lot of connections.  If there is a porn star you have an interest in, I'm nearly certain that Adonia can tell you if she provides, and can probably book her and at reasonable rates.

As for pictures, not all of them allow it during a session and some ask for extra.  You'll have to work that out with the star of your choice.  

For length of time, I recommend sticking with an hour unless there is some reason you need more time.  If you are going to take pictures or film, you might want the extra time for set up of shots, angles, lighting, etc.  But, remember, you're paying for her time and what you're *really* there for is not to take pictures.

As far as recommendations go for your first star to share this experience with: that's harder since you didn't say anything in your post about the type of woman you like.  However, I can say the following about the stars listed on the web site as scheduled to appear:

Tay Stevens, Joanna Angel, Lexi Belle, Teagan Presley and Stoya DEFINITELY DO NOT provide.  Don't even bother asking.  Joanna though is very friendly to her fans and if she's dancing at a club nearby go see her - she does an awesome performance - the best I've seen.   Teagan used to but stopped.  Stoya will probably get angry with you if you ask.  I heard her shout once at a guy asking if she provided: "I'm not a whore!"

Sara Jay provides but WILL NOT discuss it in public.  She'll deny that she provides.

Tanya Tate provides but not in the U.S.  She only does it outside the U.S. where it's legal.  I wouldn't suggest approaching her about it although if you're discrete enough she'll probably tell you this herself.

Taylor Wane is a good choice if you like the older woman experience and she's a great kisser.

I didn't see her listed on the site but Amy Brooke usually attends these things and she would be my #1 suggestion.  She's a lot of fun.  She's listed on TLC's site as being in Chicago for the convention so I'm pretty sure you can book her if you contact Adonia.

My second choice would be Victoria White.  She's a gorgeous woman and very down to earth.  She was an absolute sweetheart when I saw her.  You can read my review if you search this site.

My third choice would be Eden Adams.  Another gorgeous woman.  Not as fun as the other two but definitely worth seeing.  She's a former Penthouse Centerfold.  I have a review of her here too.

All three are available through TLC.  

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Book one hour and use an agency for a few reasons.

1. Spend less (for one hour as opposed to two), have fun right away and if you two hit it off plan for a second possibly longer date in the future.

1HR appointments tend to go like this, she checks donation, you get to know each other (5 min or so maybe 15 min), she goes to the bathroom to get ready, the fun begins.

2HR appointments are generally not wall to wall "fun time" if you get my drift. They can be, but usually this happens when the lady knows you and is comfortable around you. Best not to roll the dice first time out on whether your porn star crush will immediately want nothing but sheet time with such an Adonis as you...play it safe.

2. If (it may happen) the porn star has to cancel the agency will be more than willing to make it up to you with another model that day. If you go independent you might have to prod the lady about making it up to you (if she at all cares to) or go to a plan B if you have one in place.

What I would do if you are hell bent on two hours, book through an agency for two different girls at one hour each. Then have fun.

Many of the porn stars I've seen have asked not to be reviewed because they are UTR.  Take THAT into account.  Oh, and at least 5 of my porn star reviews were removed when the ladies retired or were delisted.  I'd list them but Admin would probably remove the post.

For what it's worth, I've seen more than 30 porn stars.... and over 500 escorts in general.  I've been doing this far longer than TER has existed... I used to post reviews on other sites like HeavenOrHell that are no longer around, and used to review for a NYC area paper called New York Action before the Internet existed.  You can take THAT into account too.

I appreciate the feedback!! I emailed TLC this morning to get a list of their UTR's coming to Chicago. Considering they are under the radar it's more or less "a take one for the team" scenario. Meaning there is no real way to see if they are worth the time. Am I wrong? Which do you guys prefer....a UTR or someone with a proven reputation? Anyone to stay away from?  PM's are welcome if you don't feel comfortable making a statement on the board.....actually preferred. I don't want this thread to be filled with drama. Also, TLC seems to be the consensus as being professional and easy to deal with, any other agencies recommended?  Thanks again for all your help......

1. "Many of the porn stars I've seen have asked not to be reviewed because they are UTR."
By definition UTR do not exist on TER, they are like UFO: When can talk about UFO, but there is no way to prove anything about them, so taking into account that is equivalent to ZERO. UFO UTR Porn Stars are back channeling talking, for a very ristrict elite of hobbyst.

2. "At least 5 of my porn star reviews were removed when the ladies retired or were delisted."

Retired or delisted porn stars are like UFO too: By TER policy they do not exist, so talking about is no different than ZERO again.

3. "I've seen more than 30 porn stars...."

So you have reviewed 5 porn stars out of 30 eligible, and if want to be generous, we can reasonable argue that in 30 years of hobbying you may have produced 1 review per year; but you got only 5, so your public records is equivalent to say 0.16 review per porn star, which is nothing but saying almost ZERO.

4. "Over 500 escorts in general." The question is about porn stars, and this is the porn stars board so 'escorts' in general' are no different that saying again that of 500 escort you have seen less than 1% of porn stars...

All of this in 30 years of hobbying...

By this simple math everything you have to say about porn stars is equivalent to a HUGE ZERO. But you keep posting as if you know everything, when you know less than NOTHING. Well actually you know everything: unfortunately what you know is like saying that you know that UFO exist and you can even prove their existence.

Now let me be absolutely clear: there is nothing personal here...I am just picking the creme de la creme of the hobby ICEBERG on this board, that is to say:

Hobbysts like you talk talk talk talk talk talk talk talk...never write reviews. If someone see only UTR, which is absolutely legit but it pretend to talk about porn stars then one should be talking about the ONLY porn star who there is record about. So in this case you have reviewed 5 porn stars and that all you should mention about, the other 25 exist in you world, which is private and not PUBLIC. So by definition your private world is accessible only to you and those who you allow to access it. In terms of public discussion here each time some one say "I've seen porn star X" but that porn star X exist in his private world his contribution to the board is ZERO. Because the board is a public avenue of information, and what is going on backchanneling is a private affair among hobbyst. But in terms of public contribution, all talk about the Xs is of ZERO value for the board.

How in the world you think we should take seriously the verbose display of BLA BLA BLA that you and other rigurgitate in this board for years?

I would argue, that based on a generous assessment everything you say is like talking about UFO: Since we there is no way to prove their existence, all talking is just, well of ZERO value for this board...

A simple review make more contribution to the Porn Star board than all those verbosity piling up like a castle: a castle build on sand. This board has become a huge Castle Sand...

But of course this is my opinion. So nothing personal Mr French...:)

Sincerely,
Walter Benjamin

Definetly go with the proven track record.  Even a PS with a few solid reviews is better than taking a chance.  While a good amount of stars provide similar to the way they perform on camera, some are nothing like they seem when they are in action with you.  TLC is great and so is Pamelapeaks.com.  Finally, get your list down to 3 or 4 and we will give you the heads up.

P.S.  I usually agree with Mr. French's info and opinions too.

....I don't know what your deal is but whatever it is I don't appreciate you turning this into a pissing match. I simply asked a question and people responded with their input.....unlike you. Mr. French's assessment was dead on with other's advice both as a post in reply and through private mail. There was no reason to turn a simple and innocent post looking for advice into your own personal soap box. I'm still looking for your advice or response to my question.....but....last time I checked it wasn't there. So please save us all the time and post your own topic of discussion and rant away. If you have nothing to contribute on the topic or question at hand I suggest you keep quiet and try to learn a social skill or two.....

That is one way of looking at it.  But of course, one can play Devil's Advocate and argue that many, most, or even ALL of the "Reviews" written about Porn Star Experiences are pure and unadulterated BULLS**T.  And honestly, when I read some of those reviews, I get the impression that they are simply written by Law Enforcement to entice, draw a reaction, and to gather evidence in an impending Sting.  After all, the activity of "Sex for Money" is illegal in 49 of the 50 United States, and when you knock out Clark County (Las Vegas) and Washoe County (Reno), that eliminates more than half of the populated segment of Nevada.  So you could say that "Sex for Money" is illegal in 49.75 of the 50 United States.  When Exotica-2000 was busted several years back, it came as a sort of "bolt of lightning," similar to the Heidi Fleiss bust (pun intended), and I often wondered how much "trolling" Law Enforcement had done on the Internet to pick people's brains in order to gather incriminating evidence.

Therefore, everyone has to tread lightly when "promoting" or even "bragging" about naming names, and advertising specifics about how or when or where or with whom they have performed illegal acts.

That is why, personally, I prefer the legal brothels of Nevada.  Although some colleagues here like Moose (whose informative posts I truly enjoy) will disagree with me (because of the "Condom Only, No Exceptions" Rule) and Mr. French (whose posts I also greatly respect) will disagree with me (because of the admittedly low class/blue collar ambience of the brothels).

Although some members here are more interested in how much a particular Provider charges, or whether BBBJ or DFK is available, there are also some members, especially newbies, who appreciate some general tips and opinions about how to "go about" this whole thing.

Nearly every Post at this Forum is useful to "Some But Not All," and no Posters should be attacked for writing in "general terms," and above all, no Posters should be attacked for "Not Writing Reviews."

The rules of the Forum put some limits on what can be construed as "ads" in order to prevent the Forum from becoming a gigantic SPAM-atorium, but for the record, and because you have asked, I would also recommend My Platinum Provider and Pamela Peaks.  

Considering you being a newcomers on the PS game:

a) UTR should be your last options - even if you get feedback UTR are like UFO [so you see the link with my previous post as a premise for my contribution to your questions]:)
b) go with a high caliber PS WHO has a reasonable amount of oustanding reviews: The first one PS Experience has to be a memorable one and the more info you get from the review the better the planning and the outcome; be a KING For One Night is the way to start the game...
c) a high caliber PS who has reviews means usually a very reputable agency, and I can think of several PS who will be in Chicago who fit the bill...many will be available from several agencies, but as newcomers the way to minimize risk and to maximize the investment is to go with the agency that has your No. 1 ranking list...that said, your focus is on the PS, then on the agency who may have her: do not put the agency first and the PS second: you will be disappointed.
d) Finally, pre-booking with weeks in advance is a MUST because the closest you get to the show the less options you will get, both in terms of scheduling and availability...

Hope it helps. My previous post wasn't soap box, neither personal: it was educational, and worked as premises for this.

Last recommendation: Write a review and return to your buddies the same generosity they are showing in helping you. We appreciate knowing we did a good job in making your 'First PS" a memorable one...which is to say, that all of us as a community made a real contribution, at the beginning and at the end.

Sincerely,
BW

I'm not going to get into a pissing match with you here.  If you don't want to take my advice then don't.  If you don't like what I have to say, then you can hit the "ignore this user" button and be done.  I don't need your validation - I know who I've seen, I know what I've done, I know why I haven't posted reviews.  You don't.  There are many valid reasons for not posting reviews.

However, I will say this: you display the unfortunately very common mistake of arguing from nothing and assuming that just because you don't have the same results, or experiences, then others who have must be lying or not telling the truth.  That's pure BS.  In Philosophy class we used to call your type of argument "ad fallcio", meaning that you start with a fallacy and argue as if it were true.  You have many fallacies in your post which, of course, you assume to be true.

If you did a search here, you'd find other threads, and other comments, from porn stars and from others like Adonia that support my statements, and my position.  I'll give you a start: check the link below.  I've spent time with both ladies.  I couldn't write a review of Sindee because I saw her while I was a moderator on this site back when they had volunteer moderators.  Moderators were not allowed to post reviews.  

I did write a review of Jacky but it was removed when she asked to be delisted.  But her post is evidence that we've met.  You can ask them both if you want.  You can also ask Adonia.  If Kathy Willets was still around she'd probably vouch for me too - I saw her before TER came into existence so of course there won't be a review here.  My first porn star experience was with Micky Lynn back in the 80s before the Internet so you won't find a review of her here either.  Nor one of Ryan Conner, Melissa Hill, Alexis Dane, or Lois Ayres for the same reason.

Of course, you'll probably say that the post from Jacky is meaningless, and that the stars I saw before the Internet or before TER are meaningless, or that the women I saw while I was a Moderator and unable to post reviews is meaningless, or that the support from people like Adonia is meaningless, etc. because you like to play the big man and claim that everyone else except you is full of it.  I don't know what your problem is but I think you have a lot of growing up to do.

Jesse, some of the UTR are quite overpriced for a reason. That doesn't mean a bad thing but for your first time try someone with some reviews.

I will say, one lady I saw (not UTR) who just started seeing her fans (and has asked not to be reviewed) was an amazing experience. So later one when you have a few appointments under your belt with porn stars would be the right time to try a fantasy crush if you have the means to do so.

Since you are in Chicago, check out Bethany Benz (she is based in Chicago). A very cute and curvy girl. Her rates are reasonable and she provides a good time. tLC and My Platinum Provider work with her.

Hobbysts like you - which I took as an example of appalling verbosity - talk about everything, but seems to find all excuses not to find the 20 minutes time to write reviews.

All that everything is not meaningless, it just produce a personalization of information, which is to say that 'Mr French' contribution to this public forum is all about himself.

In the Philosophy class you took you must have stopped at Descartes and the philosophy of the self, where everything start with the Self and end up with the Self. And that the only certainty we have about your contribution...

But since you are enamorated of your own SELF, you missed the fact that I was using your example to make a critical analysis of how the information that people exchange here is totally self-centered...

A simple review makes a real contribution, that sea of self-centered verbosity will never make.

Well at least your question that incited this very interesting string of comments will add to your First Pornstar Experience lol. We also work with a number of TOP adult film stars that are based all all over including Chicago and would also be able to help.

And all of your verbosity comes from someone whom, as far as I can tell by searching the review section, has posted NO reviews.  Not one.  

And I just love the way you always seem to find some graphic to add to your post to illustrate your non-points.  It just seems so.... childish...

Hmm, maybe I should take my own advice and just click the "Ignore user" button and be done with you.  You certainly, by your own standards, have nothing to contribute to the discussion.

Disclaimer:
This is an educational and critical post directed to the PS Board, and I cannot care less how about Mr French the persona, neither how many women he has fucked. What this post is about has to do with the fact that this PS board has become, excluding some damm crazy minority who still write reviews, a depository of EGOS, who talk about everything but contribute nothing. Considering the typical hobbyst is this PS board has the exact approach to hobbying as Mr French, I think is perfectly legit apply the old rule of Eddie: Shooting ONE to educated 100.

I have said twice that this is nothing personal and I am using YOU as an example of hobbysts who talk about everything, but never write a review about all those porn stars that they talk about...and since you have 30 years of hobbying and by your admission you have 30 porn stars but reviewed only 5, that is the most clear example I can find in this board of the following:

If someone like you who has been around for decades, knows every single details of this and that and display such 'verbosity' about every single aspect of the hobby, but has a ratio of 5 out of 30 porn stars then that is the perfect example of what the REAL contribution on this board has become.

This board is all about "talking' rarely followed by a freaking dammed review which take 30 minutes of average brain to post...

NO, instead of posting review that will benefit ALL, this talking is all about the personalization of information, which benefit NOBODY, but the hobbyst in question.

Now dear Mr French if you have decided to get until this point, hit the IGNORE USER button and get your own SELF proud of displaying how much you know about everything and more. I am sure your SELF will get another monumental boost.

PS: I am using an Alias to avoid the personalization of the debate.

thank you bw..you know your shit..

Your post is nothing more than a treatise on your own ignorance and ego.

You continue to ignore the FACTS which have been repeated multiple times.  The biggest one of them is that I have NOT reviewed only 5 out of 30 porn stars I've seen.  I've actually reviewed **20** porn stars that I've seen.  You just can't read the reviews because they are on sites that don't exist, that you don't read, or have been removed from here at the request of the provider.  That is certainly not *my* fault yet you continue to penalize me for it.  It says a lot about your ignorance, your ego, and your character.

You continue to argue from a false position, making assumptions that are unfounded, unsupported and unsupportable.

Frankly, if you do not like what this board is about, LEAVE AND DON'T COME BACK.

We are here to discuss porn stars, and particularly porn star escorts.  This board does a fairly good job of that, and always has.  If you don't like it, that's no you and you should certainly go somewhere else where you will be happier and leave the rest of us alone to enjoy our discussion.

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams (1770)

Years of hobbying: 30
Posts on TER related with Porn stars (e.g. 411, request of info, etc.): 500+
Presence on TER: Since 2002 = 10years.
Porn stars seen: 30+
Actually reviewed: 20
Available on TER: 5

I leave to the PS Board to think about what your REAL contributiion has been. My argument is that you are the BEST example of what this board is about: talk talk talk. Again, nothing personal.

85/90% of the poster on this PS board follow your 'philosophy of hobbying.' I think this is an argument for debate and I am critizing it. My philosophy of hobbying, is the same I learned from Eddie: If you want to really contribute to this board you have to write reviews, which are the best 'objective' information which is value for ALL, in complete contrast with 'talking' with is of value for few.

In doing this I am just folllowing Eddie's step: Shoot ONE to educates 100.

PS: I'll provide more 'stubborn things' in few days...

"Facts are stubborn things..." Yes, and I've also heard tell that opinions are like assholes.  How ironic that the guy calling someone out for being verbose and full of himself would come off so, ahem, VERBOSE and FULL OF HIMSELF. You purport only to use MrFrench as an example, claiming it to be nothing personal. Well, to borrow from a certain bard from Avon, methinks thou protesteth too much.

BenjaminWalter:

# Reviews: 0
# Posts: 22
# Posts not attacking someone else for their posting: well, I didn't bother to read through all the posts but most of the posts I did see were attacks, mostly on me.

It doesn't matter.  You have no credibility here.  And you, yourself, have not contributed to this discussion board in any meaningful way.  That makes YOU part of the problem that you claim exists here.

Oh, and if you're hiding behind an alias... what are you afraid of?  Reveal yourself and let's see who you are and then people can judge how credible you are.

In the words of Glinda, the good witch: "You have no power here! Begone, before somebody drops a house on you, too! "