I coulda swore that Nikki Sexxx's email & her availability was listed here, but now I can't find it. Just emailed her & she responded like I was crazy, but it WAS her email.

Thoughts?

Zartan

Well, I'm not saying if she is or isn't available but many times porn stars will say they are not available even though they are if they don't know who you are, and you are not going through an agency.

Her information *might* have been posted here - I don't know I didn't see it.  And it might have been removed if she's a UTR, or had guys contacting her directly and she asked TER to remove it or an agent asked TER to remove it.

On the other hand, search is also useful...

I don't know what assumptions you made, but clearly the 'wall hit you' and now once you got the door slammed on your face, then you are wondering...

This is a perfect example, why without 'high profile hobbyists' the "wall" is the only rationale
response you get, and honestly I can totally understand Nikki. Its not a case that this place has become a wasteland: No surprise at all, hobbyists find a piece of info, and make assumptions; usually the wrong ones. Indeed the new trend among porn stars is to change emails, and other contact info, as soon someone making wrong assumptions shoot emails and...

That what you get as response.

My thoughts for you (and other who think they are 'smart hunters') is this:
Hope you learned the lesson, and never assume too much.

Sincerely,
BM

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First of all, I didn't make an "assumption", she did post here some time back, that's how I got her email. If she had TER remove her post, then that's not my fault because she posted her info here in the past. & there's no need for the smartass remarks either. There's no such thing as a "smart hobbyist" because if someone goes UTR or just stops providing at the moment, NO ONE has control of that info other than the provider herself. We don't need another Seth aka The Doctor....

Z

What an arrogant ass

first of all guys lets remember we're dealing with here porn stars, not exactly the most mainstream stable people in the population. These girls availability can be determined on a weekly basis depending on do I have the rent this month is the car payment due did my sugar daddy come up with this donation this month or shocking as this might be in my short on cocaine or pot or yes even heroin.

My experience with the girls that I've known over the years as friends is that they live to the exact definition of hand to mouth. No money in the bank no savings bonds nothing put aside for the future living from day-to-day and that's why so many girls jump in and out of the porn business and of course in and out of the hobby. So this may sound cynical but I've come to the realization that the odds are more than likely if the girls not available today just wait a while because when they need money they suddenly become available. Just my two cents

Have a great day

You assumed 'wrongly' that having direct contact was a sufficient condition: well, it was not.

Its not about being fault, its about making 'wrong' assumptions based on a piece of info being posted here. Now considering that 90% of the posts are about "Has anyone direct contact of X", you shouldn't be surprise that the 'doors have been locked in.'

Availability of info or previous posting are not a sufficient condition for getting what you are looking for.
That my point.

Porn stars want control of info, and when someone make wrong moves, get its face slammed by the door. So that the other point.

Finally: Its about the fact that TER and this Board in particular, has never being so lower in terms of reputation among porn stars and especially agencies. Which explain why certain info get removed.

So your case is a perfect example of why it is so.

Of course, instead of looking critically at the course of your thinking and action, the only stuff you can come up is a set of justifications, and the usual array of low-profile remarks.

I pointed out the 'wrong assumptions' you did, and I stand by my argument.

Or you want to talk about smartass or Seth aka The Doctor?

Sincerely,
BM

I am not out line, because my point is precisely that the availability of info on this board is not a sufficient condition for what you think you can get out of.

Secondly, the fact that she is available through Pam, does not enter into the equation, or at least only indirectly. There is a reason why so many porn stars do not like their contact info circulating around for the grabbing hands. The response he got make this very clear, and I simply pointed out that he made the wrong assumption.

I agree that she did the right thing. She indeed, played according to the book. I add that 'smart hunters' that are seeking for certain type of info on this board, that what they produce: having the door being smashed on your face when you knock on it.

I use this as a perfect example of why the board is a wasteland, and why there is a lesson to be learned from this case.

Which is: Do not assume that a piece of info is a sufficient condition, because it is not.

As such I wasn't too harsh or out of line. In this board way too many visitors make wrong assumptions, and it seems that the wave is now filtering among the posters.

Just something to think about, don't you think so?

Sincerely,
BM

Arrogant ass are those on this board who make 'wrong assumptions' and then instead of critically thinking about the issue at stake, the only stuff they can came up is labeling someone as 'elitist' or 'arrogant'.

Its just commonse sense logic, a logic that this board has totally lost.

Sincerely,
BM

the response by Beautiful Mind was a bit harsh, albeit also hard follow in both a line of reasoning and grammar & syntax sense.

It's hard almost impossible to tell if a post by a PS is in fact her or done by a screener/agency.  I recall one porn star posted her cell phone number here.  When I called, she asked how I got the number, I replied "you posted it on TER"  She then asked that I email her instead.

So I don't blame the initial poster for contacting her.  If he's persistent enough, he could probably book her through Pam.  I myself tried but was told by Pam she hasn't been returning messages.  So she may be "unavailable" for the moment.  Another super hot porn star who was listed on numerous agency sites told me last year at AVN that she no longer did private appointments, but that she was facilitating appts for others.  But then I saw she's "available thru Pam Peaks. So you never know.

I do agree that any contact info be handled thru back channels and not in the open.  I would not divulge direct contact information without first contacting the PS.  I actually am reluctant to do so, as they entrusted me with this information because they know me and deemed me trustworthy enough not to abuse it.  If that seems selfish, maybe so, but I put in the effort to foster the relationship and don't want to screw it up.  You guys could do the same.  Get to know them, treat them well and see what happens.

However, BM's post was a bit harsh and Zartan did nothing wrong.  All he has to do now is to see her thru an agency first (again if she becomes available again) and then see if he can book directly in the future.

Actually, IMO, the reason this board is a wasteland is because people who come here asking for information, particularly the newbies, are called names, made fun of, and basically chased away rather than being politely educated and welcomed.

A lot of people revere FastEddie... he and I didn't get along BUT the one thing that he did that made this board what it was when he was still around was that he educated people and helped people rather than telling them that they are wasting their time, making false assumptions, or that the information posted here is useless.

So, disagree all you want but your response wasn't helpful, and that's why you were out of line.  

I have been on this forum for 13 years versus Randy 2054 and now as CANUCKGIMP. I have found 95% of the members of this board are totally reasonable sensible individuals who are here for hobby and some enjoyable discussion amongst a group of friends that have the same interest. Unfortunately there is a small fringe group here that have a Hitler complex and they think it is their place to tell everyone else how they should act what they should think and how they should type fast Eddie was a wonderful counterbalance the This board on the straight and narrow and The little megalomaniacs under control. I have to say if they have the problems they see me that what's going on this board then they must have pretty disinterested personal lives. But I believe that the ones that make the most noise and complain about things the most probably have such a miserable personal lives that this is the only way they can assume some degree of control in a pitiful existence.

As most of us know what goes on in this board is neither life nor death to any of us it's just a fun way to express opinions and have contact with beautiful women and for those who fancy themselves as the sheriff in town all I can say is for those of you who remember the Andy Griffith show where is your bullet Barney

Where did he make an assumption? Did you read the email he talked about? Did you read the email the provider sent? How do you know what assumptions he made? If the board is such a wasteland than why is such a GOD like you lowering yourself to even respond to one that is so clearly beneath your GREATNESS? He was only asking a question! A harmless one at that. I believe you are one of those Demi-Gods that just love to hear themself talk, or in this case post. Step back and put your giant ego aside and maybe you will see that's smat-ass elitist like you that make this board a less than friendly place. Your tone and your response was totaly uncalled for. Unfortunately megalomaniacs like you can never see yourself as you truly are. You look in the mirror and all you see is the all mighty God! Truly pathetic!

EXACTLY! Well said...

Z

THANK you! If that was the case, then I can understand her reaction, which wasn't a "door slam" but more like "who are you? & "I don't know you."

Z

Some people on this board are a legend - in their own mind.

The are many ways to educate people, one of which is to criticize their course of thinking and action.
Of course, criticism is not well received by those who spent their time asking and never contributing.

In this sense I think my response was very useful and pretty much down the line of why 'certain type of information' that many are seeking does not produce the outcome that they think it is.

So my answer will be the same as Eddie:

"Please realize that I say the following with no malice and it's not intended as a flame... I don't care if people lurk here, and I don't care if they decide to post or not to post reviews, but you have to understand that people who do contribute reviews, contact info, and general information also don't care what lurkers have to say, and certainly do not give their opinions the same weight as that of someone who contributes... Lurkers who  post complaints about the direction this board is going are like a hitch hiker who complains about what radio station the driver has on or how high he has the heat turned up... if they don't like it, they can get out and walk."

If many here do not like 'criticism' perhaps 'they can get out and walk'.

Sincerely,
BM

"This board is free to all who wish to use it... you can read it for free, and you can post for free, you don't have to pay a dime.  If everyone came here with the same attitude as yours, we'd all be looking at a blank page.  When you go to a weekly poker game at a buddy's house, and at the end of the evening each week the same three guys drop a twenty on the table to cover the cost of food and beer, and the other three guys never kick in a dime,  you eventually start to get a little pissed... you might not say anything to them about it, but it's in the back of your mind each week.  Now imagine one of those three start complaining about the kind of food or the brand of beer that's being served... Believe me, someone is going to tell the guy to go fuck himself."

It sound you are one of those guys who like "to complain about the the kind of post that are being served" here...

He 'made the wrong assumption' about a piece of info he tought will get him booking directly.
And the door was slammed on his face.
Then he come to the Board and ask for thoughts...

I made a reference to 'smart hunters' and he reply that I was a smartass, etc.

So he got offendend because I pointed out he was a 'smart hunter'...uh?

What he wanted to hear? That he did an innocent move, not knowing about this and that, that she is totally crazy for not accepting his proposal of booking because he is Zartan? And that he did everyting right seeking for a direct contact, and grabbed the first email was posted on the board which he could use to booking? And jumped on the train doing a great deal of homework?

Is this that he want to hear?

But the fact is that the 'door got slammed on his face.' But that is exactly what he does not like to hear.

So is this a baby-sitting board, or what?

I lived in a country where fascism dominated civil society for over 30 years, and if you think that making reference to Hitler's complex to judge others lives make you feel good, well, let me tell you:

You reference is just pure ignorance and petty idiotic. Perhaps before judging other lives you should look at your bookshelf and came up with something a little more sophisticated that Hitler and Andy Griffith...

Perhaps that is solid reference to your existence, so keep that for you and do not confuse yours with that of the others.

Sincerely,
BM

It seem to me that you are trying to back peddle

and it should be free of smartass comments like yours

I think he pretty much nailed it. You just don't like hearing the truth. Don't like to be called out for what you are

You are being called out for your own sarcasm. You don't have what it takes to defend your actions so you bring out Fast Eddie, I doubt very much if he would agree with the way you treat others on the board

IMO, no matter how much you dislike someone, there's probably 99.9999% chance that he or she does NOT deserved to be compared to Adolf Hitler..

Adolf Hilter was one of the most evil men in world history...He invaded countries and was responsible for the systematic murder of over 11 million people...A World War was fought over what the Nazis did...One of the horrific experiments (and there were many) they did in their facilities was to try to change children's eye colors..

A museum worth a visit in LA is the LA Museum of the Holocaust, or LAMOTH as its known, a very powerful and moving place..

I was in no way trying to compare him to Hitler in the sense of the Holocaust or anything like that anyone who thought I was obviously did not read mice) clearly I was comparing him in the sense that Hitler felt he was superior to everyone around him including the Jewish population when in actual fact he was just trying to make up for a totally inferior individual that he was early in his life Hitler was truly one of the great evil people of all time. If anyone took that statement in the way I didn't intend it to be I sincerely apologize. Now that I'm using Dragon software I'm able to send these posts within a couple of minutes where post this long would've taken me almost a half-hour to type with the bad hands that I have.

I just hate to see the community that fast Eddie built over the years become a battleground over Tiki tacky little things that are of no real importance to our everyday lives as each one of us in our own way fight to survive in this less than wonderful world were living in.

What is even sadder is that he keeps a scrapebook of FE's e-mails.  The Maoization of FE.  

Next time use Napoleon as your comparison.

So that apply also to you...

Mr Boongle, who is the smartest hunter in HXLAND?

So let me restate for you, since as newbie the subtleties of 'senjor hobbyists' posting, get lost:

I had to explain piece by piece why I posted in the way I did, since in a board that is dominate by 'who she is? Is she available? Anyone has direct info? and so forth...

the level of understanding is getting so lower that one is forced to repeat the content of his post at least 3 or 4 times. When you spent your time reading this 'dull posts' that's the outcome: when there is an interesting post that call for an important debate, as it was in this case, regarding the use of 'direct info' about certain pornstar, and when a 'senjor hobbyists' use it to make a general comment, then the board has a hard time figure out what in 'normal times' it will take 5 minutes to capture the meaning of certain post.

No, actually the opposite occur: take the example here. I made a specific criticism in the way Zartan used that piece of info about this pornstar. And I pointed out the consequences of doing this, since this the trend on this board. At the same time, he came to the board to ask for thoughts and I offered my critical perspective on what he did, and why he got the door slammed on his face.

Instead of reading carefully the meaning of my post, what I get in reply: I was harsh, I was out of the line, I was Hitler and megalomaniac, and I Maozied Eddie...

I mean all this because I say "Hey Zartan you are a smart hunters, but that's not enough."

Now can you see the big picture here?

The post was about the use of direct information regarding porn stars and what hobbyists are seeing in my posts?

Well, when you spent your time on the board getting inundated by 'dull post' you get 'dull reply.'

Sincerely,
BM

geewhiz BM not sure if you meant that for me but it did all I can do is shrug my shoulders and assume we forgot our meds this morning I admitted my use of Hitler was improper I guess that's not enough. I can only do what I can do BM, I find the initials you chose to sign off with quite amusing and has a double connotation doesn't it.

And I do not take any meds, so please stop using references which are totally uncalled for.

If you use Hitler's reference to characterize someone, just for education purpose, I have to reply as I did: you shows pure ignorance and idiotism.

Now let's come back to porn stars and enjoy your day.
Respectfully,
BM

You should really think about the meds, you are the type that could really benift from them. So flame on my dear elitist

and let no one dare disagree!

is without you we mire humans would not know devolved we are! Without your supier intellect we would go long in life think we are doing ok. We truly need you higher functioning brain and your sarcasm to let us how little we have achieved. I mean without the elitist, how would we ever function as society? Thank you BM for showing us the way

In a society they are elite groups who have control over power structures (government, banking, etc.).

In a forum there is no elite, there are just individual hobbyists with different degree of experience:  newbies, have less experience than the rest, both in term of the hobby and in terms of their presence on the PS Board.

Then, there are many different type of hobbyists, who can be classified in many different ways, like numbers of reviews, time-frame of posting (days, weeks, months, years), type of posting (411, Is she available/Is she provides, Who is she?, etc.), number of Porn Stars/UTRs seen, size of their networks (with porn stars, agencies, etc.), area of expertise (porn history, dancing club, UTR market, knowledge about the porn industry, etc.), just to name a few.

Once you combine those features, you may get a reasonable profile of every single hobbyists who post in this forum, but wherever the combination you use, they can be defined for what they are not: they are not newbies.

Finally there are senjor hobbyst: following Eddie, senjor hobbyitst, may be defined as being those who (not to be smug) but really don't need a PS Board to find porn stars, UTRs or other type of models who may be available.

So instead of thinking in terms of a society, newbie first rule is to learn how this forum works, who compose it, and what type of posting belong to who and which reasons make different type of hobbyists posting about.

Elitists ignore others, and even though your main contribution to this set of post is just shooting any possible insult on me, perhaps instead of continuing doing that, you may finally have something to say about the issue at stake:

A simple piece of information about a porn stars being available on this board is not a sufficient condition to get direct booking.

Now: What your contribution about this issue is?

I am sure the PS Board will appreciate your intervention.

Sincerely,
BM

this time I agree with most of what you have to say.  The part about there is no elites. They way people post, the way they comunicate, the words they use, make them seem to be elitists. there are so many way to give info some many ways to say something. Elitist always post in a condescending way, the post is more to belittle than to inform. That is what I see in your post. I don't believe you post info to help, at least not all the time, you post to belittle.

Actually the door wasn't "slammed in my face." I surmise that because she didn't know me, she played coy. I had the email addy for awhile, but didn't use it because I wanted to wait until I had something to actually say & not bother her w/ frivolous talk. She's the only one to act that way, which was why I asked the board's opinion on this. In order to find out something, YOU MUST ASK. I doesn't matter if you're new at this or an "old hand" at it. It never hurts to ask a question, no matter what the response is. At least you know, & are able to act upon that knowledge. I'm a veteran of the Gentlemens Club industry (19+ years) & have dealt w/ pornstars long before I heard of Fast Eddie or this board. Back in the day, you could talk a pornstar into possibly getting with you (for FREE) just as you would any other lady. Long before I heard of TER I've dealt w/ the likes of Ona Zee, Ashlyn Gere, Tera Heart, Angel Kelly, Jeana Fine, Nina Hartley, Samantha Strong, The Late Anna Malle (blew a GREAT chance to get w/ her FOR FREE!) & a few others you probably haven't heard of because these are now considered "old school" ladies of the "Golden Era" of Porn. That should tell ya how long I've been dealing with pornstars.

You came off wrong over a simple question, something that Seth aka The Doctor war NOTORIOUS for. If a provider posts her direct contact info on here, then has it removed later, then that's her choice. But no one should be made to feel that he/she did the wrong thing by asking a simple question. You live & learn. And I'm sure that if I had a reference from a friend of hers, the story would be different.

Just to avoid further misunderstanding:

The 'expression slamming the door on your face' it was a direct way to say: Look, when a piece of info get posted here, the use of that info may not lead to what you assume it should.

In this board, people ask all the time for direct info about hundreds of porn stars, like if having that info is a necessary and sufficient condition to get a booking.

If you would have done some extra-legwork you will have avoided to get the 'door slammed in your face' and proceed accordingly in regard to WHO you are dealing with. I was greatly surprised to see someone of your experience making such a 'strange' move.

That's all.
BM

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