It seems that lately it has become an obsession on the board to talk about pornstar rates; the 300 club, how some girls rates are too high, how the agencies are out of touch, how "these girls don't realize what the economy is like these days", etc., etc.

Of course, talking about rates is and has always been an important part of what this forum is all about, but lately it seems to me that it's taken a bit of a nasty turn.  A day or so ago Bridgette Adair posted about her return to escorting, and someone gave her shit about her $2000 rate.

Let's remember one thing.  I'm sure that very few women, pornstars included, said to themselves when they were 16 years old, "Someday I want to fuck strangers for money".  So when they decide to become an escort, they need to also decide what it's worth TO THEM to do so.  It's her mind and body, she has to live with her decision for the rest of her life, so she's entitled to charge WHATEVER she feels she needs to in order to be comfortable with it.  As a straight male, you might be willing to suck a cock for $50,000, $100,000, or $1,000,000 but whatever your price is, you wouldn't do it for less... it's the same thing with an escort.

Five or six years ago when the porn industry was hitting on all cylinders, I'm sure many pornstars saw escorting as a lucrative way of supplementing their incomes.  They didn't need the money, so they kept their rates high and would see an occasional fan now and then.  But things have changed and now for many PSEs, their primary income is derived from escorting.  So you're seeing a lot more pornstars doint it, and in some cases you're seeing substantially lower rates.  But is that always necessarily a good thing?  

Compare it to a guy who gets downsized from his job... he was making $30/hr., but now he's forced to take a job at $12/hr.  Do you think he's happy about it?  And do you really think he's going to put as much into it as he did his old job?

I'm sure there are some womem who really enjoy escorting, but let's be honest, you can probably count them without taking your shoes off... the rest enjoy it to varying degrees and some don't enjoy it at all.

So if a woman chooses to charge $2000 or $2500 or whatever in order to justify to herself flying into a strange city, risking arrest and her personal safety to have sex with strangers, STOP FUCKING WHINNING ABOUT IT! If you can't afford her rate, don't see her and choose from one of the many PSEs that are in your price range.

of what folks think or how they misbehave in this heated debate, i'd like to go off on a semi-tangent here and nominate KevinRoby for a Public Service Award!

even though i'm not a big user of his list , it's obvious he's doing many of the guys on this board a solid


we didn't have guys like him around for great many years. you might even say he would've been heavily discouraged from doing what he's doing. but hey, times change

It's hard to say it because people don't like to hear it but I'm glad you did Eddie. If you can't pay, don't play. A lot of people feel they are entitled to things, and if a girl charges out of their range, they feel it's wrong. But why?  

I don't see Porsche or Ferrari dropping the prices of their cars. I also don't see people who before could afford them complaining about how these companies charge what they do.

Bridgette has been charging her rate for a long time, she has more 10's than any provider I have seen reviews for. Can I afford $2,000/hr right now? No! Do I have a problem with her charging what she does? No! So I don't understand why others do.

Are there providers for less? Yes. So go ahead and see them and stop hassling people who choose to charge what they do. How many of us want a Ferrari but drive a Honda? Do the people that drive the Honda go out of their way to hassle Ferrari? I don't think so.  I don't see people enraged at how Rolex charge what they do for their watches when you can buy another watch that also keeps time the same way.

Enough is enough, leave the ladies and agencies be. You don't want to pay, fine, but giving them shit for charging their rates does nothing. As long as people are willing to pay, let them. It's not your money that is being spent, so why do you care?

I agree with everything you say except for the heavily discouraged part. I just think no one did it before simply because no one wanted to take the time and Kevin obviously did.

The only problem I'm aware of that he gets is people who don't understand what being in the "300 Club" is. (the +-200 and it's applicability to half hour rates).

Girls don't want to be there who get guys thinking they charge $300/hr when they in fact have $500/ half hr or something like that.

But Yes, Kevin does deserve mad props for the work he has done on the list.

Sorry Eddie but you can't compare a STRAIGHT males "money amount" to suck another mans cock, with a STRAIGHT female porn stars fucking a male stranger for her mortgage payment.  Not even close to the same thing.

She's not charging that much because it helps her sleep at night.  She's hoping there's some sort of market out here for her services.  Meanwhile hotter women are charging half that, and making good money.

With that said, who cares if a girl charges $2000/hr?  DON'T PAY IT!  I might agree that's a crazy amount for 99% of the porn stars out there, but she has every right to charge what she wants. I can GUARANTEE there are better looking, more famous woman that will do it for less.  Much less.

You just need to shop!

actually i respectfully disagree about the part of my post you disagree with!

there was a time (more than 5 years ago) when it was very stylish here to brag about how much you splurged on PSEs. this fed a lot of misguided egos and lined the pockets of the agencies!

many (myself a PSE rookie at the time) were made to feel that if you weren't a big-time spender you didn't belong here

i'm neither cheap nor a big spender (max i ever paid is $1k). but i'm glad to see those days are more-or-less gone.

nowadays it seems guys are commended for their good common sense and practical economics


sorta mirrors the transformation our country has gone through, no?  LOL

I guess I do agree, I just didn't think people would have been up in arms about his list back then... But who knows. It was bad back then when people boasted about spending top $$$, but now, which I think is as bad, people are boasting about spending almost nothing and chastising girls for charging out of their price range.

I pay for who I want to see and enjoy my time with them. if someone wants to spend $2000/hr to be with someone, good for them.

I agree 100% that people should spend within their means. But if a lady is out of their means so be it. Not everyone is going through though times, and if they are the only ones that can afford higher rate providers, who are we to complain or judge?

i personally have not been hassled by anyone yet, but i do feel bad that some girls are. I do understand where both parties are coming from. I wish more girls wouldn't put all their eggs in one basket. Let's face it, porn is up and down! right now it's really down. I'm lucky i haven't felt much of a big hit from it though because of my wonderful financial adviser helping me with investments and teaching me the proper way to handle my money and taxes. I also do numerous things unrelated to porn to make money as well. It makes it easier living in Dallas too, cost of living is cheaper, and i don't feel "stuck" in the porn industry as well. I don't knock anyone for doing what they need to do to survive and be able to have some "fun" time too. But guys do understand what our "WORTH" means to us. It doesn't mean we are being snobby or anything of that nature. I want to feel good about what i'm doing! It's awesome to have the opportunity to make money and meet people from all over and travel... I'm thankful to meet all of you, and have an erotic, wild, and fun time doing it!!!

kisses and wet pussies to everyone,
Rachel Starr

I've always said the PS have the right to charge whatever they want and I have the right NOT to pay it.  Most PS are out of my price range so I don't even bother to consider to whether or not to see them.  I love to read about it on Fast Eddie's Blog but I fully realize this is probably the closest I'll ever get to them and I can live with that.  Personally, I don't get Kevin Roby's 300 Club.  I've only glanced at his posts a couple of times.  But I've seen so many names of just regular providers on his list that I don't understand how it can be be said that it's a list of PS who ask for +- around $300.  Just my opinion.

Rachel, you have mail.

(sigh)

I have to respectfully disagree... it's very close to the same thing.  In both cases, one has to consider the emotional ramifications and self-esteem issues that arise out of both endeavors.  Both acts are considered immoral by much of society, and once you've done either, it's something you carry with you for the rest of your life.  There's always the possibility that a friend or family member will find out about it years later; maybe after you've become a mother/father wife/husband.  The main difference I see between a straight female vs. a straight male is the price... most guys wouldn't consider sucking a cock for $1000 or $2000; I know it would take a LOT more than that for me to do it, but I'll also admit I probably do have my price. - lol.

But let's put it in another context... you're a young stud, washboard abs, the captain and quarterback of the college football team who can have just about any woman you want... you decide to be a male escort... you don't need the money to live on, but it'll let you afford nice clothes, a nice car, a better apartment, etc.  You know you're going to have t get it up for women in the 60's and older; most have sagging breasts and are out of shape.  Now tell me that you aren't going to set a price comensurate with what you feel is worth it to you...

I type fast and I make typos, and yes, my spelling is not perfect... but I do have decent grammer and compsition. However, JUST for you, in the future I'll compose my posts in Word before cutting and pasting them here so you won't have to waste your time spell checking my posts.

You know, I would think that the actual content of the message should be more important to comment on than the spelling errors; in fact, some might consider it small minded and petty, but to each his own.  You're like Hermiony Granger in the Harry Potter movies, taking glee in pointing out Ron's and Harry's mistakes.

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I don't remember it that way.  There were certainly guys who bragged about nailing the high-end girls, but it was more about who she was than what they paid.  Granted, when someone said "I saw Briana Banks", everyone knew he dropped $4K, and there were also those who touted the agencies like Bella Models, but again it wasn't, at least not to my recollection, about how much they paid.

Ed...watcb out...shes gonna get you on the spelling of Hermione

I actually threw that one in the on purpose!

No not the same.  That is if we are talking about PSE escorts, the primary subject of this board.  A PS has already made the choice to have sex with men for money.  Doing it with the common population, as opposed to the more rarefied group of male porn actors, is not the same as a straight male agreeing to have sex with men for money.  The same thinking applies to a typical male performing sex for money with women he is not attracted to.  The point is a female PS has already made the sex for money choice.  Expanding to sex for money with males outside of the porn industry is not as big a step.

First off it is obvious that any escort should be able to charge whatever suites her.  Some are not exactly brilliant business women, but they all can understand that if no one is calling it might be their rates.  It is up to them to set their price points at what satisfies all aspects of the business for them; amount of business, self-esteem,  . . .

I never have agreed with the Ferrari versus Honda analogy when it comes to discussion of escort rates though.  It is just not that simple.  Will $2000/hr surely get you a better looking and better performing escort than $300/hr.  Not at all necessarily so.  The most wonderful lady I have ever seen charged $250/hr and I would stack her looks, attitude, and performance up against any other escort I ever seen at any price.  It was only her retirement that led me to start seeing other escorts again.

And addressing something mentioned elsewhere under this topic.  Some guys are willing to pay such high prices, in fact they seek such escorts out, because of the escort’s high price.  It gives them bragging rights and they convince themselves that they must be getting a better experience because they have paid so much.  

I've always hated "rate slamming".
Charge what you will, pay what you are comfortable with, and don't begrudge what other's limits are.

From what I remember she posted what city she should tour and I just gave my opionion on what cities can and probably cannot afford her rate..

What is bad is when ladies post this and guys say "Come to my city" and she does and nobody shows up..

What these ladies don't realize (which you stated) is that TER is only a small part of this hobby..

I still stand firm if you are charging 1k+ per hour that there are certain cities you can go too..And Vegas, Florida and CA is not one of them!

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I also suggested to her that she might not get many people to see her in Miami because of he current situation etc etc and I agree that you weren't complaining about the rates.

Agreed.

I didn't see any whining, it was just pointed out that certain cities would be slow given the economy.

I don't care what they charge. Of course I personally wish I could see some of these woman but I can't bear to pay more than $500 for an hour of sex with anyone. Affording it isn't an issue but just the logic of it doens't make sense.

So I'd rather not being able to see a star because her rates are too high than her not seeing me because of my race or ethnicity. Rejecting me because i'm a tightwad is fair at least...

She asked a question about where to tour and you brought up that her rate was $2000.  I didn't say it was you who was whining... But there was a reply with an angry emoticon that said "Why would anyone pay $2000 as the subject line.

That was 'Hobbyluver' and I just responded but did not change my subject line..

But my response to 'Hobbluver' was basically that a lot of ladies who were charging 1K-1,500 per hour could be had today for $600..For example I know this well known utr porn lady who was charging $1,500 in the early summer and laughed when I asked her if she would see me for $700..Yesterday she sent a group email offering a special for $800...I responded to her email and told her the highest I would go is $500 because of who I can see now..More power if a lady can get 1 to 2K per hour but there is also reality..

Again any guy who partakes in this hobby at $300/hr and has at least 5 reviews can afford 2K per hour..The challenge is do the guys want one and done or see 5 girls for same price..

Also I was giving my opinion on the type guys who would pay 1-2k per hour..

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MOST ladies who are in porn when I email them asking if I can videotape our session 9 times out 10 they ask me for my photo..And I know for a fact that a lot of girls get bookings for a boy/girl they do ask who is the other guy is..

Honestly you cannot compare a male escort to a female escort..Because women under 50 yrs old attractive do not have to pay for sex..As for men heck you go down the list of good looking rich men paying for sex (Charlie Sheen, Hugh Grant, etc).In fact I think Hugh paid what like $20? LOL


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But you make it sound like a contest to see who can pay the least.  It's not about that; if it was nobody would see a pornstar... as has been pointed out by many, there are TONS of non-PSEs who are as good looking as any A-list girl and whose performance is equal to or better than many PSEs for much less.  It's about the fantasy factor, and just as it is about what a girl thinks she's worth, it's also about what the guy thinks she's worth.  Personally I have a price which I'm WILLING to pay, and a price at which I don't think ANY girl is worth, including Pam Anderson or Scarlett Johannson; but there are a handful of girls that I would be more than willing to exceed my personal limit (but not my maximum) to see.  And my personal limit could change if my financial position changed for the better as well.

I'd just like to see less talk about how little someone saw a girl for and more talk about how good the girl looked or how good she performed.  It doesn't matter what she USED to charge; be happy it's less now and get on with it.

I agree with Beaver.  Once these women choose to have sex on screen with total strangers, escorting isn't a s big a stretch as you make it out to be.

They got into this business because they LOVE sex, or whatever other personla reason.  Let's face it, the girls making $1,000/hr are making more escorting for that hour than they are for a single scene.

I always thought the real money was feature dancing and escorting for these girls anyway!?

I have to disagree with that. If you believe it or not most people are not that judgmental about the porn industry anymore. as far as dating goes it is not impossible to meet somebody that is ok with the fact that he is going out with a porn actress but it really is different with escorting.

It does make a difference. so just because you are already a porn actress doesn't mean it's no big deal for your personal relationships. Even if your family, partner, friends know you are a porn star and are fine with it, doesn't necessarily mean they would be ok with it if they found out you are escorting. Yes on my end it's mostly the same thing as far as what I am doing but for everybody else it makes a difference and that effects me and my life.

I love what I do but it has some negative implications for my personal life and that I want to be compensated for. It is more that part of it that I feel the money is for.

Totally agree with you.  I thought your advice on planning potential tour dates was spot on.  Whats the point of scheduling certain cities if they cant support the "asking price".

Generally, I think your posts are to the point and factual.  I guess people just dont like having the facts put right in front of them.

Nerrrrrrd....

See, that's how to misspell with a purpose.