Some people on this board have expressed reservations about Perfection Models. One poster described them as using questionable practices...anyone else have any feedback about them (both good and bad, just looking for honest input)

Seems like HelpuBook and TLC are held in high regard by almost all TER peeps...

I tried booking a model with them it didn't work because of time issues, but nothing bad or flags raised.

I once contacted Perfection Models to inquire about rates for someone visiting New York.  They were prompt in their replies, but due to my schedule, I couldn't set up a meeting.  For about 2 months aftewards, I would receive text messages from them alerting me when one of their providers was visiting New York.  Since I wasn't interested, I just ignored the text messages, and they eventually stopped.  

I've seen some other posts on the board that indicate Perfection Models was more aggressive in some instances.  I think there was a pretty substantial thread on them a while back, so I'm sureit would come up in a search.

They have some very attractive and unique models that I haven't seen featured elsewhere.  However, sometimes a model who shows publicly on one agency's roster might show up in the "UTR" section of another agency's roster.  

Good luck!

JWK9

Both first class in my experience. I am hoping to book with HBook soon, but they are phenomenal in how responsive they are. TLC is first rate in getting you options that meet your needs. Not quite so sure about Perfection Models to be honest....like some other here, I also have reservations about using them based on some of the correspondence I have had with them, I will leave it at that.

For the last few years I've been dealing exclusively with TLC because I like the way Adonia handles things for me.  

I have not dealt with HelpUBook or Kelly but I have talked with both agencies and don't have anything bad to say about them.  I just haven't booked through them.

I don't deal with Pam because she requires deposits and there have been problems with advance deposits in the past so I won't do them, so I don't book with Pam.

I won't work with Lita Chase because of the way she does business and her disrespect for privacy.  I've posted about that in the past so I won't rehash.

As for Perfection Models, I won't deal with them because of the way they do business, and because of the posts and email correspondence I've had with them.  They've left an extremely bad taste in my mouth, especially when they make wild accusations and personal attacks hiding behind an alias.

Had great luck with them booking Sophia Rossi. I see she's no longer with them, anyone know how she can be contacted ?

As you can see, all the reply comes from hobbysts who had NO stable relationship with Perfection.
Even when they mention to have booked with them no reviews has been posted, so what they say count very little. Those who complain about their business practice are cheerlders of other agencies, and more importantly have NEVER BOOKED with Perfection, so their so called 'opinion' count as much as ZERO.

Asking about Perfection Models here is like asking about who is a guest at the Royal Court of the Princess of Montecarlo. Very few TER members are guests at Perfection Model Court, and they are not going to talk about them publicly, since as you know the rest of the hobbyst who populated this Board are delusional and cheerleaders.

So the reply you are getting are about these delusional and cheerleaders hobbysts who have never been invited to the Royal Court of Perfection Models.

They do not need deal with delusional and cheerleaders, and based on these replies you should understand why.

Perfection Models has a roster composed of the top Brazzers performers, and some of the most top notch porn talent you can find in today porn scenes. That alone is more than enough to qualify Perfection Models as the point of reference for those hobbysts who are looking for the best porn talent of these days.

So ignore those delusional and cheerleaders hobbysts and make you way to the Perfection Model Royal Court. You will be surely rewarded.

WB

You sound sooooo bitter.

You like to put down others but the truth of the matter is that hobbyists DO have opinions and they DO count.  If you're going to put down us hobbyists why should we use your agency?  And don't deny it - it's very clear from your post that you're connected with them, perhaps even the owner.

Perhaps there's a reason why some of us are cheerleaders for other agencies: it's your attitude that drives us away.  And this is one of the "questionable practices" that have been mentioned - pretending to be a hobbyist when you're really the owner of the agency or at least work for them.

It's very clear from your message that you don't like TER or TER hobbyists so why are you here?  

Sounds like you represent perfection models to me too. In response to my thread Some people have said nice things about haetera, tlc , and even your agency. Seems to me there was some cheering for all sides and there is nothing wrong with that, Yet you go out and attack us hobbyists who dare to say anything that doesn't suit you. Thanks your response shows me all I need to know about your agency. Talk about questionable and reprehensible behavior Benjamin or should I say perfection models.

Look Mr French, I have my reasons to use an Alias, and even the stone here knows that I am not connected with the agency in question, neither for that matter with any agency. But you are too short on understanding to figure that out...

My point is very simple: You and many here have NO IDEA whatsoever about service of other agencies. The reason why YOU and other are happy with TLC is because the other agencies do not offer "deals', best prices, extra-time for dinner, and so forth, all of which you preach about from years.

If your philosophy of hobbying is this, good for you. There is nothing wrong to be a hobbyst who is looking for 'deals', best prices, extra-times, etc.

But stick your opinion to the things that you know, and continue to do the cheerleader for that agency that does all the above for you.

Not everyone built their business on these prerequisites, and since you have NO IDEA about their service and their talents that certain represent, because as you said they are OUT OF YOUR BUDGET, offer OPINIONS on what your budget allow to do.

Each time you offer OPINIONS about what you have NO IDEA WHATSOEVER, you are playing the delusional game. As such no matter what you say, your opinion count as much as ZERO.

Since you are so good on playing the chearleading game, stick with that Mr French.

As Eddie said, there are hobbysts and hobbysts: this board is ending up being a bunch of hitchhikers, delusional dudes and is not a case that many have taken the cheerleaders road. But when a hobbyst became a cheerleader his contribution cannot be but NOTHING.

WB

I offered a critical evaluation of opinions, which are ALL based on not having any substantial foundation of what their statements related to. And I gave you a substantiated reason why you are not going to get any real opinion about Perfection Models here.

At the same time, I indicated that the roster of Perfection Models, which is formed by the top Brazzers and most regarded talent in porn today, is more than enough, to approach them.

I do not need to add anything else, since Perfection Models has made clear how their system work, and how they operate. Read carefully what they wrote, and make your own mind.

http://www.theeroticreview.com/discussion_boards/viewmsg.asp?MessageID=168355&boardID=23&page=#168355

I am not a cheerleader, neither a delusional dude, even less hitchhiker.
So sorry to delude you.

"Instead of giving his own opinion, a critic enables others to form their opinion on the basis of his critical analysis" (Walter Benjamin, 1931)

Sincerely,
WB

Oh yes TLC offers Deals. Proud of it too. Some of you guys know well that if I feel a gentleman is sincere and forth coming about a little set back YES he might get a deal, many does. Delighted someone figured it out.  THANK YOU Mr handle ...BenjaminWalters and the other handles he  sometimes uses in his other shady acts. He was Hollywoodguyx a while back. My goodness

I rarely post these days and quite sure those deals he speaks of paid off to a point where I notice Good deeds at times has a karma aspect to it Today. Indeed some gents knows well I have taken you guys out with my friends for dinner and actually pay for it with great Pleasure, It is from my heart and not a quid pro quo.

This ignoramous  posting this lack luster rants is doing me a favor and I certainly appreciate it. He constantly e mails and calls  with foul language with a blocked phone number. He didnt know how easy it is to get a blocked number text with the phone carrier and subscriber name with the phone number in plain view Text right back with the Ip address when he uses a google number. lol

Thanks to all you guys for your kind support over the years,

Adonia
xoxo
Happy Holidays and a Great New Years

Much love to all other agencies who works hard
Luv yah

No one who is unrelated would go to that length to put people down with that kind of language while proclaiming how wonderful Perfection Models is.

Perhaps BW you are aware of an aphorism - the coward is the hottest defend his courage, the liar his veracity. The fact that Mr. Walter goes to such length to proclaim he is not a cheerleader - and yet goes out of his way in longwinded posts to justify himself and Perfection Models while denigrating and discrediting others - you, Mr. BW sound like a shill to me.

Go check the history of my posts.  In none of my posts have I ever put down another agency including PM, heck this is the first time I even ventured to ask about agencies. My post history will back me up.

You, on the other hand, have posted about Perfection Models time and time again. Even in this one exchange you have posted numerous times, all in the same vein and self-serving tone - thank you, as you have shown your true colors.

No one else has gone out of his way to bash other people or their opinions - frankly, that is why these boards exist. The fact that you try to pass yourself off as "objective" is actually quite humorous, as it is obvious you have an axe to grind. Read your own posts vs. those of other people. No one is attacking another poster EXCEPT YOU.

good try Benjamin, or should I say Perfection Models...

Actually if you read the entire thread  - NOT just Perfection Models reply - but the ENTIRE thread, that presents a pretty good idea of the range of experiences people have had dealing with this agency.
There is good, bad and ugly...and make of it what you will.

And don't let the Benjamin Walter shills of the board bully you either...this guy has been in a pissing match with people on this board for a year...what a total d-bag.

You can search my post history and you will see I have never had any sort of agenda against anyone or any agency, just looking for info every now and then...

In their defense, Perfection Models is a good agency, and i have the belief that they are a good group of people behind the organization.  i hope they continue to provide the service that they offer.

Well, if this d-bag is not connected to this agency, then if I were Perfection Models i would tell Mr. D-bag Walter to STFU, because with each post my impression of them gets worse and worse because he comes off like such a shill who is promoting them.

You talk about those who are bad mouthing PModels with zero reviews...well right back at ya d-bag. How many reviews do YOU have? where is YOUR credibility? You hide behind an alias while attacking agencies and people and posters. A lot of the other posters who are in support of  an agency HAVE reviews and whitlelists by girls who are not even Porn Stars and unrelated to these agencies in question. These people seem pretty unbiased to me, especially compared to someone with ZERO reviews who comes out and bashes people while propping himself and his agency.

I might be using an alias but have never badmouthed anyone till now - that is how absolutely aggravating you are.

Show us your history of reviews where you have actually used PModels yourself as well as other highly reviewed non PModel girls which will prove your credibility- till then you are nothing but a shill with ZERO credibility.

The first reply is from someone who tried, but never booked = Zero weight.
The second "once" contacted to inquire, but never booked = Zero weight.
The third is a shill for TLC and Lita from = Zero weight.
The fourth is from someone who is 'not about sure about" = Zero weight.
The fifth is a shill for Kelly Wells agency = Zero weight.
The six as above = Zero weight
The seven is a post about someone who 'had a bad mouth from them" but since he never booked he has NO IDEA about the agency = Zero weight. But it took no problem in bashing the agencies and others who do not have the requirements he is looking for e.g. discount, low prices, extra-times, and free dinner time which is enjoy a lot from the agency he shill all the time.
The eight, is from someone who booked Sophia Rossi, but did not reviewed her so his opinion count as usual: No review = Zero weight.
The last one is by a famous hitchhiker who ask millions of time but never post any review = Zero weight.

The rest is my critical post and the other responces on it.
It sound you have no idea about what you are talking about...

I argued that this board is the wrong place to ask about that agency, and it look likes my argument is well based.

I also made a suggestion, and I will make another one:

If you want to know about their service, PM hobbysts who have reviewed Perfection Models talent at least 3 or 4 times. There is a guy, I cannot recall his handle who run a sort of Porn Review Series (check his reviews about porn stars and you will find them), or something like that, who knows a lot about the agency. I am sure it will be of great help, as it was for me.

As you can see I am trying to help you, rather that making statements that have Zero Weight. Which is exactly my point about this set of posts.

WB

If you use the Alias for asking a question, I have the same right to use the Alias to respond to your inquiry, which is what I have done, but critically since all the post HAVE NOTHING to do with your question. I have made my criticism, and that's all.

My credibility is based on the logic of my criticism, which is what Alias were created about.

If you still think I am related with Perfection Models, well I cannot help you.

Just for the records: Asking for my review history or showing that I have used PModels to prove credibility is coming from someone who is using an Alias. So asking other to do what you should be done in first instance, it tell just how naive and unexperienced hobbyst you are.

This board is inundated on a daily basis from posts coming from people who have never posted a review, never contributed to the board, but when they are critized by others the only argument that they can throw on the table is to ask about reviews and prove credibility, and so forth.

How revealing is that?

Well, remember: You cannot teach to others what you have still to learn.

WB

but still make statements as if the agency in question is the Evil...

It this that hard or difficult to understand?

Perfection Models, as other higher end agencies, do not need my support, since they have answered back to whom may have concern.

The issue here is simple: What hobbysts, keep talking about stuff they HAVE NO IDEA WHATSOVER?

I gave you an answer supported by a logical argument. You only question is still if I am related with Perfection Models, which I cannot really help you, since you cannot distinguish the 'obvious.'

But unfortunately this is what happened when people here post about stuff they have NO IDEA at all.

WB

The only one who is delusional here is you.

I have over 30 years of experience in this hobby and I have used many, many, many agencies.  Some of whom are no longer around, some of whom still exist.  I have also had talked with with some of the ladies represented by Perfection Models (even if they don't know they've talked with me), as well as the owners/operators of various agencies.  I know quite a lot about "the business".

I also know that you're the owner of Perfection Models, as much as you want to deny it.  Your writing makes it very clear, even if someone you know hadn't told me that it's you.

Now, let's talk about some of your specific claims in your message.  Almost EVERY agency I've ever worked with (and that includes agencies like Nici's Girls, BodyMiracle, Exotica-2000, and Lexi Tyler's former agency) has offered deals to regular clients - that's part of doing business and any businessperson knows that.  And, many escorts have offered me "extra-time" on the date for things like dinners, lunches etc.  Anna Malle took me out to lunch at her expense because we had such a good time together on our date.  She even invited me to go out to Vegas to hang with her and her husband. That's just one example of many.  And not just porn stars/models btw, "regular" escorts have done it too.  It's COMMON in business to treat good customers, regular customers with courtesy, respect and yes, sometimes a little "something extra" for doing business with you.  Try working a white collar job somewhere - you'll find you'll lost business if you don't take out your better customers for drinks, or lunch or something.  Anyone who has worked a real job knows that.  Some businesses will even take a known established customer of another company/agency out to lunch, drinks, etc. in an attempt to get him/her to switch to their company.  It's how business is done.

I do know about the services, talents, etc. of Perfection Models models and who they represent.  And, I don't use your agency because they are out of my budget, but rather because of YOUR BEHAVIOR and the behavior of some of your employees.  The fact that prices are higher than anywhere else also is a factor.  But, that's no different than anything else in business:  If I see a pair of jeans at one store for $30 and the same exact pair of jeans at another store for $60 which one should I buy?  Wouldn't I be a fool to pay $60?  And, let's not dig too deeply into the over-inflated egos of some of your models.  

You are free to disregard my opinion, you are free to say it doesn't count, but I've been in this hobby longer than you have, and while you may not respect my opinion, others here do.  

As for quoting FastEddie, let me tell you something about him: he was many things to many people.  He was, however, first and foremost a PR man and knew how to spin things.  So most people don't know about his lying about who he spent time with, or his lying about the freebies he got just so someone would get mentioned here.  I declined to play the "whose dick is bigger game" with him, and I'n not going to do it now when he's gone.

Finally, as to your claims about cheerleading... there is absolutely NOTHING WRONG with expressing an opinion about an agency and recommending them.  There are reasons why a person cheerleads for an agency.  In my case it's because the agencies I cheerlead for are the best around.  In your case, it's because you want to drive business to your agency.  Who is the more honorable?  Whose opinion should be trusted more?  In any event, that's what TER is all about - the sharing of knowledge, of information and yes, listening to the cheerleaders who cheer for certain agencies or escorts because that's how others who don't have the years of experience or connections find good, fun women to have good, fun dates with.  What is a good review if nothing but cheerleading for a good escort?

As I said before, if you have such a low opinion of us on TER, and such a low opinion about the hobbyists here, then please take your drivel somewhere else.  We don't need you or Perfection Models.

the harder you try, the less believable you are. Bwaahahaha! Keep on trying PM/BW!

Contrary to Adonia and her lead “cheerleader” Mr French or any other alias’s  claims, no one from Perfection contacts her agency, no one over here harasses them or posts on the board as any alias including “Benjamin Walter”. We also do not implement minions to post and start issues or fight on our behalf. Feel free to show evidence of such wrongful claims about us including “IP addresses and phone #’s”.  Over 3 years ago, before there was any agency, one of our staff members was in fact a hobbyist, posted some reviews and used to post on the board on rare occasion (Hollywoodguyx) going back to 2004.

We pride ourselves in having great relationships with our client base, on any given tour in the dozens of markets that our talent visits, the large majority of meetings are happy existing clientele. We take great care of our clients, however Perfection doesn’t offer free dinners with talent nor do we pressure talent to do so in order to win favor, nor do we offer 30 minute discounted rates in exchange for shill reviews with select TER members. We also do not brag about being friends with staff at providing websites or claim to have inside connections with them. We will never write fake reviews for talent that need the help although most of our clientele do not write reviews.  Contrary to others, we also do not implement the unethical practice of having a website with members section containing names that we don’t actually represent, of which some of our talent have repeatedly requested and demanded to be removed (ie: Sophia Rossi, Shayla Sandz) and others that don’t even know who they are (ie: Madison Ivy, Christi Shake, Briana Banks). Unfortunately this is a desperate marketing strategy implemented by a couple of others in this industry.

We also do not need to resort to bad mouthing our competition to our clients at any given opportunity, however that cannot be said about certain others. While we have issues with very few in this industry, we operate honestly and ethically and never harass any our competition, which unfortunately cannot be said about others which we’ve turned our cheek on for a while until now. Evidence to back our statements can be provided upon request including abusive correspondence threatening us physical harm and correspondence bashing various other competition among other things.

If you are privy to our exclusive touring roster (great business seems to breed loyalty), or familiar with the extensive amount of advertising we conduct (money needs to come from somewhere to pay for advertising) one might begin to understand we keep very busy without even so much as a website and why we are secure and have little time or interest in fights and bickering on boards.  There’s no “dog eat dog” mentality over here; we spend little time worrying about what others may or may not do. While isn’t an easy business and days can be long and taxing, by working hard for our talent, taking good care of our clients and remaining consistent, the fruits of our labor have been tasted. They say the cream always rises to the top.

That's all you have learned? To work with agencies who fit your requirements = cheap deals, etc.

It sound this is a perfect self-portrait more eloquent that anything else.

Nothing to add Mr French. Yes, after all in 30+ years of hobbying you have learned the 'obvious.' And you elevated the obvious to a philosophy of hobbying. I offer my congratulations to your stunning achievement.

Just one thing: Please do not mention names you are not entitled to do. You are not in a position to even pronounce that name.

WB

I don't know which name you're referring to but I'm entitled to mention any name I please...  I could mention a lot of names I haven't.  

As for your comments, you are just proving that you're totally clueless about a lot of things, including what I know, what experience I really have, how other people see you, and what your own girls are saying behind your back.  

As I said before, if you think so little of us here on TER, go somewhere else and peddle your tripe.  

Just so we are clear…. This is our alias and the last time we checked, members can only have one alias and it cannot be changed.  We just set up this alias for the first time today as we do not have any need for an alias. Feel free to contact the moderator staff to verify that those posts by “Benjamin Walter” are not us.  Our writing style is not even remotely similar, so where you came up with this cockamamie story is beyond us. We have nothing to do with that persons views and certainly don’t look down upon any hobbyists on this board other than the few that chose to defame us and shill for others with obvious agendas.  That’s not the game we play and never will be.  

But since we are on the topic, Mr French, perhaps we should discuss how disliked you are by most of the main players in the business and the plenty of other enemies you have made along the way.  Without getting into what we have “heard” from respected hobbyists, bookers and providers, our personal experiences with you have never been positive, stemming back to your casual requests for dinners and free “hang out” time with our talent should they not be busy ranging all the way to your offensive and outspoken beliefs about how high end under the radar providers with alter-ego names should not be kept private. It was us that decided not to do business with you, not the other way around, so let's not rewrite history here. Your arrogance and sense of self-entitlement as someone swimming in his past glories as a hobbyist living on the cheap is comical and I hope others see well through it.  You are one of the few enemies we have in this business, and are well-aware of your public and back-channel defamation of us and others that you are known for.

Yes, you said all of this in your private email to me months ago.

As I've said before, a lot of what you heard is BULLSHIT.

I *NEVER* asked for free hang out time or any of the other allegations you've made.  I know who the "respected" hobbyists are you talked to and I know why they have said what they said - these are the probably the same individuals that have issued death threats to providers who didn't give them free dates and dislike me because I'm open, honest, and don't take shit from them.  I've probably also given less-than-stellar reviews to several of their favorite girls and they don't like that either.  I could go on addressing all of your claims and issues but there's no point unless you want to start naming names...

I don't know who you consider to be "main players" in the business that I'm so disliked by - and frankly, I don't care.  If they don't want my money I can easily go elsewhere.  But, I'm sure the so-called "main players" you refer to are all just you and your friends.

You are extremely deluded, and have listened to a bunch of lies that have absolutely no truth in reality.  Last time we talked I demanded you provide proof of your claims and all you did was to repeat the same ridiculous general allegations without specifying any names or providing any proof.  You can't provide any proof for your claims because none of it ever happened.  I also tried to set you straight on the opinions that you misquoted and misunderstood but you wouldn't listen to that either.  But, even if we do differ on opinions on certain aspects of the hobby that's no reason for your animosity.  Most adult, sane people will just agree to disagree and move on.

I'm sure that most of your anger stems from my comment about your girlfriend (or is she your ex now, as I've heard), when you quoted me her price and I said that she wasn't worth it.  Just because you're willing to pay her price doesn't mean others should be willing also.  We all have our tastes.  Oh, and btw, she and I had a good laugh about that conversation when we met at Exxxotica some time back and she's the one who first told me that you send emails posing as her.  Out of respect for her, I won't mention her name here.

And be careful about using words like "defamation".  You clearly don't understand that truthful statements are not defamation.  And if you are so aware of my "back-channel defamation", again I say prove it.  You have my email address - send me copies of this so-called back-channel defamation with proof that I sent it.  You can't, I'm sure.  

If anyone wants to know the truth about Perfection Models, and BenjaminWlater talk to Brigitte Adair personally, not email. Talk to Alana Rae personally.  Talk to Candy Mason.  Talk to some of the other talent who have left Perfection Models about why they left and about the agency really works and and what the owners have done to them and others.

As for aliases - you can have more than one alias here.  It's very easy to connect and create as many ids as you want.  All you need is an email address for each one.  There are plenty of places to get multiple ids.  I used to have several on Yahoo.   I suspect you have other aiases here.

If I'm your enemy, that's just fine with me.  Your vitriol and anger and delusion are plain.  It's pretty obvious from reading your posts as "BenjaminWalter" who you really are.   The words, phrases, tone, claims, etc. are identical to the email you sent me months ago.  If he isn't you, then he's working for you.  No one could be that close, that accurate to the same wording, same phrasing, same misspellings, etc. by accident.  But, I'm pretty sure it's you.

To everyone else, in the words of Franklin Delano Roosevelt: "I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made".  Ask yourself WHY I'm their enemy - it's because I speak plain and true and don't stand for the bullshit that agencies like Perfection Models like to spread. I also don't tolerate the fake ads, the bait and switch tactics and other bullshit that some of these agencies like to use to lure in people who don't know any better.

I've asked you for proof, including the so-called threatening correspondence,  and bashing correspondence before and you've never provided it.  You have my email, feel free to send it and back up your claim.

Oh, and you say that some of your clientele don't write reviews.  That implies some do.  So, where are they?  If there are no reviews here, and your clients don't write reviews, and you don't advertise here or on any website... then why are you here?

You say you have little time or interest in fights and bickering on boards, yet here you are pimping yourself in not one but two threads.  Possibly more.  Hm.  

"Who you are speaks so loudly, I don't hear your words any more" - Ralph Waldo Emerson

The fact that you have NO idea who I am speak loudly about the confusion that reign in your brain.

So I leave all that, since as Hamlet suggested, its better to leave those who struggle with their own ghost to themselves. Hamlet revenge is your destiny, Mr Talk Talk Talk...

WB