Sorry - a typo California is laying of their gov't employees
you can tell the economy is turning around just by looking at all the feature appearances by PSE's at all the strip clubs. i noticed recently that all the PSE's have started touring quite frequently all around the nation. Strip clubs must be making good money now to be able to pay the features to start touring again.
Another way to look at is that the clubs need to bring in the features to attract customers.
I saw Charmane Star in LA a few weeks ago. It wasn't overly crowded (not like when Tera Patrick was there about 2 years ago). Charmane was VERY hot.
I WISH either of them provided! ![]()
Maybe we've hit bottom economically and things are turning around. But there are still too many people out of work or having to cut back right now. Strips clubs are fun but not a necessity.
As for porn, they're in part victim of their own creation - downloadable videos. You can download just about anything online now for free so getting your jollies from an online source doesn't require a subscription or a credit card.
damn...i wanted to check her out at SR that week. she's one of my favorites, but i seem to have less and less strip club friends every year and i'm not the type to hit the strip clubs alone. need to find more sex-addict friends i guess.
but, i tend to agree with you. when the economy is bad, luxury goods and services tend to drop off a lot.
Porn stars are dancing because the porn industry is in the dumps and dancing is a way to make money until things improve. Strip clubs aren't doing so well either, so I don't know if it'll help all that much.
Strip Clubs are not doing good at all. I have learned from a few club owners in the SFV, they might be closing if the economy does not improve.
The economy is not the only factor hurting strip clubs, Craig's list is the other.
They are only doing PSE features and coupons again to get guys back in there. But with some PSE asking for higher appearance fess, it is still not cost effective for them.
With the porn industry tanking, these girls need alternative sources of income, and I'm guessing they've lowered their appearance fees substantially if strip clubs are booking them again.
In the hey-day of the pornstar feature dancer, many of them commanded thousands and thousands of dollars for an appearance. Sadie Sexton told me she asked and received $350/show, meaning every time she went on stage she put $350 in her pocket, plus tips. Three shows a night, $1050. Four shows, $1400. Add that to the Poloroids, autographed DVD and poster sales (all of which the girl kept herself) and it was good money. Sadie told me that even as a house dancer at the Crazy Horse in Vegas, on a good weekend night she could walk out with $5000 in her pocket.
Strippers use to do porn JUST to become pornstar feature dancers. That's where the real money was... not the $1000 they got for spending 8 hours on a hot set fucking strangers. Both Devon and Gina Lynn were house dancers at Al's Diamond Caberet in my old town Reading Pa. Jenna Jameson used to dance there often and recruited them into the porn business. Say what you want about Jenna, but apparently she had an eye for hot women! But those days are long gone.
The strip clubs owners finally realized that they could make as much or more by just having really hot house dancers... they might do less volume than when a pornstar was appearing, but their profits were higher.
So my guess is that the pornstars are dancing for cheap just to get the ancillary sales after she comes off stage.
BTW, I don't know if it's still the same, but the guy who owned Ninnworx (after basically stealing it from Michael Ninn) also owned the Spearmint Rhino chain, and part of the deal with his Ninnworx contract girls was that they danced exclusively at the Rhino clubs, and that was included in their contract so they didn't get paid extra for their dance appearances there. (Which is, besides him treating them like shit, one of the reason he lost all of his big name stars).
Payback's a bitch though. He married Dyanna Lauren, and after she got him to turn the clubs over to her, she dumped him! ![]()
Dyanna Lauren is hot AND rich. I love America.
unemployment is high, taxes are going up, home prices are in the toilet, 401ks lost 40% OF value. None of this has changed. People are being much more frugal. Things will bottom out and there will be modest gains, but it aint never commin back. And its more likely that there will be another drop in the market commin.
BTW- the girls stopped dancin cause whoring was more profitable. Now the PSE game is getting jam crowded so girls are going back to dancing. That is all.
And smart, don't forget smart. Dyanna Lauren is definately very smart.
Had a close friend who was a Vivid contract girl back in the feature heydays. She made about $15k every weekend she featured, PLUS what she made on photos, DVD sales, etc.
What she made from her Vivid contract paled in comparison to what she made as feature.
They are touring because GFE/PSE rates are way down, customers are fewer if at all and it isnt changing anytime soon. Don't buy into what all the politicians are telling us or the real estate agents..Clif are laying government workers and Sony just reported $1B loss for the quarter. We have a loonngg way to go..
Sorry - a typo California is laying of their gov't employees
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