: Politics and Religion Discussion : You mind providing a reference? (eom)

mattradd 40 Reviews 2169 reads

posted 11 years ago

1 / 22

Sorry Jack! I know you don't want to believe it but,

yes, the CMP's Planned Parenthood tapes were cooked! And, several state investigations have not found any wrongdoing.

JackDunphy 522 reads

posted 11 years ago

2 / 22

Thats would be great Matt, had PP not copped to what was said. LOL...e

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GaGambler 661 reads

posted 11 years ago

3 / 22

I think there is a huge credibility problem here

and that problem does NOT lie on the PP side of the table. These people have been trying to "get something" on PP for years. They remind me of the Ken Starr witch hunt that tried desperately to get "something" on Bill Clinton.

I can "kind" of see where defunding PP due to them being a quasi political organization because of their position on abortion, but if we are going to be fair, churches cross that line with regularity with their anti abortion crusades and their tax exempt status could fund a hundred organizations like PP.

I certainly hope the right doesn't make this the key issue in the race for POTUS, it's not an issue they are going to win on. Unless an outright socialist like Sanders is the nominee, if I get the feeling that the GOP will waste a win in 2016 fighting stupid battles like this one, I will almost certainly vote Dem next year.

mattradd 40 Reviews 503 reads

posted 11 years ago

4 / 22

You mind providing a reference? (eom)

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BigPapasan 3 Reviews 674 reads

posted 11 years ago

5 / 22

If you don't believe HuffPo, how about FactCheck.org? The unedited...

...videos show that the Center for Medical Progress edited the undercover videos to make it seem like PP was only interested in profiting from the fetal tissue.

"...the full, unedited video...shows a Planned Parenthood executive repeatedly saying its clinics want to cover their costs, not make money, when donating fetal tissue from abortions for scientific research.
Four experts in the field of human tissue procurement told us the price range discussed in the video — $30 to $100 per patient — represents a reasonable fee. “There’s no way there’s a profit at that price,” said Sherilyn J. Sawyer, the director of Harvard University and Brigham and Women’s Hospital’s “biorepository.”

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/unspinning-the-planned-parenthood-video/

BTW, why do Republican groups with a hidden agenda deceive people with innocuous-sounding names like "Center for Medical Progress," "Club for Growth" and "Americans for Prosperity?

mattradd 40 Reviews 570 reads

posted 11 years ago

6 / 22

In my book, here's a good example of crossing the line

And, I have no problem with churches having their tax exempt status revoked.

JackDunphy 556 reads

posted 11 years ago

7 / 22

You dont remember PP apologizing? Do people or organizations aplogize for things they dont do?

And PP's own handpicked "expert" report states:

"But the firm also wrote that it is impossible to characterize the extent to which the edits and cuts distort the meaning of the conversations depicted and that there was no “widespread evidence of substantive video manipulation.”

That's a long winded version of saying "we don't know if how they edited changes the meaning of the tapes."

They should be defunded Matt.

I am sure you wouldn't want your tax money going to a Pro-Life group that is political, right

GaGambler 546 reads

posted 11 years ago

8 / 22

Believe it or not, there is a lot I liked about Ted Cruz

Please notice I said "liked" not "like" I actually liked the way he called out McConnell earlier, but this is too much for me, and this is what will kill the GOP in 2016 if this is the direction they head in.

mattradd 40 Reviews 543 reads

posted 11 years ago

9 / 22

Nice try! That comment was made before they...

were fully analyzed! Now they have been!

DoctorGonzo 106 Reviews 597 reads

posted 11 years ago

10 / 22

Re: If you don't believe HuffPo, how about FactCheck.org? The unedited...

Posted By: BigPapasan

BTW, why do Republican groups with a hidden agenda deceive people with innocuous-sounding names like "Center for Medical Progress," "Club for Growth" and "Americans for Prosperity?"

It's a form of False Cynicism and Hubris successfully employed by early Fascist governments, the idea being to accuse others of doing what they themseves are patently guilty of. In this case, the warmongers who feel no sense of impropriety sending thousands of young people to their deaths at a cost of billions and even trillions of dollars see no problem spending billions of taxpayer dollars to defend an unborn fetus who might one day be able to go kill and die for them.

Or am I just being cynical?

mattradd 40 Reviews 555 reads

posted 11 years ago

11 / 22

I still don't see any references regarding PP apologizing

It stands to reason, a group who lies about who they are to PP, and to their own CMP donors, and the IRS would distort the truth about what they filmed, and chose not to film.

mattradd 40 Reviews 600 reads

posted 11 years ago

12 / 22

Yep! We wouldn't want to run low on canon fodder!

(eom)

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JackDunphy 671 reads

posted 11 years ago

13 / 22

No Matt, thats what the report said AFTER they were analyzed...e

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JackDunphy 573 reads

posted 11 years ago

14 / 22

Huh? I sent this link to you before.

And its long been a valid method of sting operations to "lie" about who they are Matt.

Come on bro, you should know that.

How do you think 60 Minutes got much of their video all these years?

And numerous other media outlets, yes including Fox, have done the same. Its all legit.

JackDunphy 666 reads

posted 11 years ago

15 / 22

GaG, it isnt just their stance on abortion as why they should be defunded...

but it is due to them giving to Hillary and being so tightly aligned with Dems.

They are clearly a political organization, that spends money on politicians to get what they want, be it funding, or good press, or good PR or whatever.

If they want to do all that fine, go ahead and have them raise all the funds they want from people who agree with them, who believe in their cause, who do so WILLINGLY, but tax money should NOT be going to political organizations and PP clearly is that

mattradd 40 Reviews 441 reads

posted 11 years ago

16 / 22

And, what do you believe they are apologizing for? (eom)

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BigPapasan 3 Reviews 619 reads

posted 11 years ago

17 / 22

Anti-abortion groups also suck on the government's tit...

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DoctorGonzo 106 Reviews 738 reads

posted 11 years ago

18 / 22

This is shit left over from when the Evangelicals were in control during GWB's first term. eom

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GaGambler 726 reads

posted 11 years ago

19 / 22

Well if the article is to be believed, the time frame quoted was 1996-2009

and $1.5 BILLION is a lot of taxpayer money to be squandered on "abstinence only" pseudo religious horseshit.

If Planned Parenthood is to be defunded, I think they should defund every penny of this kind of crap at the very same time.

I am too lazy to look this up, but I can't imagine that many of these programs are still active using your and my tax dollars to promulgate religious dogma that neither of us support. I am with BPS on this, defund them all and the quicker the better.

DoctorGonzo 106 Reviews 519 reads

posted 11 years ago

20 / 22

Re: Well if the article is to be believed, the time frame quoted was 1996-2009

I think we're on the same page here GaG. I have no problem at all defunding any and all religious based organizations. Separation of Church and State and all that... but I am fairly certain I remember objecting to the line being blurred considerably during GWB's tenure.

I'd also like to see the US stop supporting the UN, and turn that compound into waterfront condos. But thats a pipe dream, I know

BigPapasan 3 Reviews 562 reads

posted 11 years ago

21 / 22

One of the first thing Dubya did was sign an executive order...

...(which righties despise when Obama does them) on January 29, 2001 establishing the Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives to give government money to thumper groups. It's still around today under Obama.

GaGambler 490 reads

posted 11 years ago

22 / 22

So IOW, there is PLENTY of blame to go around

I don't really care who gets the blame, I just think ALL of it should be defunded immediately.

and quite frankly, I don't mind at all if PP is the last to be defunded. At least PP does some good. Someone please tell me how these thumper groups do anything positive with the money given to them. The last I checked, preaching to teenagers that condoms won't protect them is hardly a "positive" thing.