OK,its going to be Obama versus McCain, head to head.

So, for the conservatively-inclined contibutors, the age of the Clintons appears to have ended.And your rescuer is not one molecule less offensive politically than the Clintons.If only we could undo the 1990s!

One the one hand, you are glad to be rid of them both.It's only a Q of which one you loathed more.On the other hand, they have been vanguished by a gent the cons loathe in equal, if not greater, measure.Some of the comments here make me think that if Obama was on fire most of you would not even bother to pee on him.

So, how's that make you feel?  Is the devil you know better or worse than the devil you dont know?Don't repress--it's unhealthy.

Nixon - 'member him - he came back....

Hillary is not dumb - when the dust settles in Jan 2009.... that is when I will say, watch her next move... and depending on that, I will offer an opinion of her political viability - and there are lots and lots of ways for her to respond to lots and lots of events between now and the inauguration.

What is she!?  she is wounded, and angry...  kinda like a wounded mama bear...

bigger than anybody else.

...they will be here for us Americans.  Maybe Chelsea's got a sibling coming down the road.  I don't know, but it staggers the mind.

-- Modified on 6/4/2008 3:24:13 PM

Holey, you are seriously funny dude!! So you think I fool around on Hillary because we love each other so much?  You are funny!! You do scare me about the "sibling" thing, however.

1990's specifically you didn't like?

What makes you think she is going to wait until after the 2008 election. Just because she is going to lose the nomination to BHO doesn't mean shit. He still has to survive the GE and by survive I mean he has to actually SURVIVE, hey accidents happen especially when the Hildabeast is next in line. If I were Obama, I would be sleeping very, very lightly for the next several months, or for the next four years if he is stupid enough to name her as his VP.

and totaly beyond giving a damn about life in the temporal world, i might care enough to suggest that you are one very paranoid sucker.

really,GaGambler,you seem to be rolling Snake Eyes intellectually with this "idea."

to have that bitch waiting in the wings hoping/planning for YOUR early demise.

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that people aren't out to get you.

As a gambling man, I'd set the over/under at about January 22, 2009 for BHO to suffer an untimely demise. Accidents do happen. rofl

here's the deal she's going to make with Obama:  he will appoint either her or Bill to the first vacancy on the Supreme Court.  I would just love to watch the conservatives go ballistic over that one: a Clinton with a lifetime appointment. Wouldn't that be fun.

Tusyan, 6/4/2008 9:11:31 PM
"here's the deal she's going to make with Obama:  he will appoint either her or Bill to the first vacancy on the Supreme Court.  I would just love to watch the conservatives go ballistic over that one: a Clinton with a lifetime appointment. Wouldn't that be fun"


 Actually Obama doesn't have to make a deal with Mrs.Clinton... Once again she just "thinks" she is entitled.. The best thing he can do for her, is call her a cab..

state trooper problems in the 1980's he postponed his Presidential candidacy until 1992. When Bimbo gate erupted, Hillary sent her drones to dig up dirt on Gennifer Flowers et al. The press ate it up, and time eventually cleared the mess.

When Whitewater threaten to topple the Clinton Presidency. Hillary and the lawyers played the delay tactic of filing motions to demurr, dismiss etc. With time on their side, witnesses i.e Vincent Foster died, or were jailed and it went away. In the early 1990's President Clinton issued an order of "don't ask don't tell" and now we are on the verge of gay marriage.

When President Clinton was under impeachment hearings, their crisis team searched for sexual improprieties and peccadillos on the Speaker of the House and other members of Congress. Eventually through time, that passed as well.

Towards the end of President Clinton's regime he was disgraced by his shameless pardons of criminals and other campaign contributors. Then through the efforts of President Bush and appointments to the Tsunami relief efforts Clinton's image was resurrected as an humanitarian. Time was on his side.

In the present tense, Senator Clinton has sufficiently damaged Obama to where he might lose an easy election. Yes, indeeed time is certainly on Clinton's side.

-- Modified on 6/4/2008 11:52:10 PM

As long as Obama loses. If he wins it will be a long eight years for her, unless of course he has an accident. lol

judiciary experience....  but an interesting thought.... Bill?  well he do judge BJ's!  lol

have not been seen in my lifetime (perhaps he can only be compared to FDR).  Bill actually understands that in the "political world" the shortest distance between two points, is NOT a straight line.  And he applies that logic to almost everything he does.

Sure Hillary has lost this battle - but in the war for a Clinton war win, this too will be turned into opportunity.  If Obama is elected, she can quietly (or not so quietly) sit in the Senate, prove troublesome for Obama's first term - and then emerge as the middle of the road true peacemaker that Bill presented himself as in 1992... that (if obama fucks up as much as Carter did, and which is highly likely given his lack of independant political judgment skills) will make her very attractive to the dems.. and some moderates... If obama does not win, she can come back in 4 years, and say "I told ya so" with GREAT credibility... yup, they will win the war of legacies...  while Bush... will lose.  

12 months ago, the Dems were almost sure to win.  had the Republicans offered a far right wing candidate, the dems would still have an almost sure thing, however, offering Obama, and displacing hillary in the process, well, I think that this is not gonna be easy.  

I like obama - but to be honest - wrong experience, wrong advisors, and very much the wrong approach to problems....   Hillary - and this pains me to say it - was and is much more practical... and has been under fire for longer - therefore has acquired more skills in taking heat....  something the next POTUS is gonna need....

The Constitution doesn't require any judicial experience for a Supreme Court Justice, and the only review is by the Senate where a 1 vote majority will put someone on the Court for life.

Everybody seems to know what's GOING to happen, even if they aren't so sure WTF HAS happened.

last few nominations - and how the process has tended to focus on past decisions, and what was upheld etc.  she would really be hard pressed to put up a convincing argument that she is up to the task... but hey, stranger things have happened.

This is the list of people who were all found dead that were involved with the Clinton’s. I don’t think we want to relive four more years of this. Not to mention Ruby Ridge,and Wako.

James McDougal - Clinton’s convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr’s investigation.

Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.

Vince Foster - Former White House counselor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock’s Rose Law Firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled suicide. He also had another 22 gunshot wound in the neck. The gunshot wound to the head was of larger caliber and found still in his hand!!

Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown’s skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death, Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.

C. Victor Raiser II & Montgomery Raiser - Major players in the Clinton fund-raising organization. Died in a private plane crash in July 1992.

Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992. Described by Clinton’s a “Dear friend and trusted advisor”.

Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in Virginia of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton’s gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park’s son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.

James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a “Black Book” of people containing names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.

James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.

Kathy Ferguson - Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson. Died in May 1994. She was found dead in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide although there were several packed suitcases, as if she was going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co- defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.

Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the gravesite of his fiancee.

Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton friend Dan Lassater. Died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor. One of Clinton’s last duties as Governor of Arkansas was to pardon Dan Lassater convicted on over a hundred drug charges.

Florence Martin - Accountant sub-contractor for the CIA related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. Died of three gunshot wounds.

Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.

Paula Grober - Clinton’s speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one-car accident.

Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparent suicide in the middle of his investigation.

Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 “October Surprise” was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington D.C. apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.

Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993. Was investigating Morgan Guarantee scandal.

Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.

Charles Meissner - Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash. Dr.

Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee. Died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton’s advisory council, personally treated Clinton’s mother, stepfather and brother.

Barry Seal - Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas, death was no accident.

Johnny Lawhorn Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Clinton in the trunk of a car left in his repair shop. Died when his car hit a utility pole.

Stanley Huggins - Suicide. Investigated Madison Guarantee. His report was never released.

Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fundraiser. Died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.

Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as “The boys on the track” case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. Controversial case where initial report of death was due to falling asleep on railroad track. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.

THE FOLLOWING SIX PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES / HENRY CASE:

Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck July, 1988.

Keith McMaskle - Died of 113 stabbed wounds, November 1988.

Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.

Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.

James Milan - Found decapitated. Coroner ruled death due to natural causes.

Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.

Richard Winters - Was a suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. Was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.

THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:

Major William S. Barkley Jr.
Captain Scott J. Reynolds
Sgt. Brian Hanley
Sgt. Tim Sabel
Major General William Robertson
Col. William Densberger
Col. Robert Kelly
Spec. Gary Rhodes
Steve Willis
Robert Williams
Conway LeBleu
Todd McKeehan