and exactly when did it start this sucking?

You just have to look a lot harder, and cannot rely upon the mainstream any longer.

I'm assuming since this is a Politics and Religion board this must relate to one or the other.  I can't see the connection to politics, so I guess you're a fan of Christian Rock and feel it's fallen apart since the 70's?

going everywhere, and all we can find is little black holes of musical suckage.   Our musical barometer has broken the floorboards.

So please clue us, where is there any hope?  We're desperately hanging onto all our vinyl like liferafts.

You ask if music is politics or religion??  How can you not know that it is both?  

No, we are not Xtain.  Everybody knows AL & the Secular Humanists.

Share the knowledge!!!!

What the hell is vinyl?

because they're all sucked into the black hole!!

Now you.

2nd Q:  What is vinyl?!  What is VINYL?!!  Next you'll ask, who is Sandy Koufax?  How could you get out of high school and be such a Philistine?

Somebody please tell this poor man what vinyl is.  No, not you BDSM types.

In the late 70's & early 80's technological breakthroughs made it possible for any untalented yutz to learn how to play 3 chord guitar.... by the mid-80's we were replete with 3-chord Big Hair bands fronted by mascara wearing studly types with striped pants, stuffed jockstraps, and talent that wouldn't fill a thimble. The standard bearer was a band called Qwiet (Quiet) Riot - the most untalented group since The Monkees.

And then came gangsta rap and hip-hop, and the quality of music was buried under a tidal wave of mind-numbing shit.

Sandy Koufax was my boyhood hero.
I still have his picture and autographed baseball hanging in a place of prominence in my den.

liberate that baseball.

It's for the UN's children.  The ones named ALGORE and the IPCC.

that's what you get for subsidizing mental defects, I guess.

Wait until there's nobody left to lip-synch.  I guess that's the problem Dubya is having, hunh?  Nobody left to lip-synch?

http://home.comcast.net/~123stonewalldrive/Today.jpg

and this, son, is a pitcher:  http://www.worldnetdaily.com/images2/sandykoufax.jpg

Kay Parker!

As we all know, video killed the radio star.

It's more about packaging now than substance.  

It's the same thing with George Bush being elected President.  The people that started the teeny band craze with people like NSynch and Britney Spears and are the equivalent of dipshit conservatives who bought into a pre-packaged Presidential nominee.  It wasn't the substance that mattered, it was the packaging.  Who cares if they are actually talented (or intelligent).

I mean who cares if the President is smart, he likes to take month long vacation like I always want to, and he likes to hunt like me, and he owned a baseball team and I always wanted to do that too!!

-- Modified on 10/24/2007 10:12:38 AM

Appearance always mattered, at least in pop music.  Go back before the singer/songwriter revolution of the 60's, and many acts had to look a certain way.  Go back further, and you'll find acts had to pitch products as well.

Look at the early Beatles songs...same simplicity, just different sound and target audience.  or music before that...very simple.

I think more than the hair bands, the musical culprit here is the synthesizer.

Once music branched out from being live acts to live and radio acts to live and radio and record acts to live and radio and record and TV acts to live and radio and record and TV and video acts to live and radio and record and TV and video and computer acts...

it became that much more of a business, and as all businesses are merged and profit maximized and all that today, between that, easier methods of production (i.e., synthesizers instead of needing live instruments), constant repetition of homogenized styles which dumb down the taste of the "general public", and 24/7 saturation of those homogenized styles, as well as people being more stressed in their lives in general and needing to make less choices, complicated music is less and less desirable to the masses than ever before.

who doesn't know what pressure is.  Are you saying that overstressed yuppies popularized rap & hip-hop?

What's your theory here?

With the increase in discretionary income amongst the yuppies, and their proclivity for giving kids a big chunk of that mony , and the development of large shopping centers (MALLS) where kids could be shuttled off to, you saw kids buying up more music than ever before.  Rap blew up because inner city youths were drawn to music that reflected the inner-city struggles of their generation, and the proliferation of violence and gangs in those communities only added to the allure for a disenfranchised minority.  White kids, yearning to rebel, latched on to an angry brand of music and culture that was foreign to them, but made cool by MTV and film.

Rap was phenomenal back in the day, what it has devolved into is truly sad.

Through the 60's and 70's it was all R&B.  Everything was a shuffle.  The synths and other electronics encouraged a lot more experimentation - and not all of it good.

Especially Al Kaline, Norm Cash, Mickey Lolich  even Rocky Colavito and the fallen Denny McClain,

but then, I was young and impressionable.

though. My girlfriend in college loved them and Nesmith was a decent song writer. He also wrote REPO Man and Different Drum.

I always remember what Jimmy Page said about Rock-n-Roll. Once Rock distances away from it's roots, R&B the more it will suffer musically.

I can't believe we agree on something.

LOng live Rock.



-- Modified on 10/24/2007 9:39:40 PM

kids have always listened to less challenging stuff (unless they were brought up in serious musical households, for instance).

It is when people get older that they really develop nuances in their tastes.

Iron Butterfly and Vanilla Fudge were the first bands to use the thick pseudosynthesized sounds that have become associated with Heavy Metal. But while Iron Butterfly was Ozzy Osbourne's biggest influence, it is the the classic from Steppenwolf "Born to Be Wild" from which the entire genre took its cue.

Get your motor runnin'
Head out on the highway
Lookin' for adventure
And whatever comes our way
Yeah Darlin' go make it happen
Take the world in a love embrace
Fire all of your guns at once
And explode into space

I like smoke and lightning

HEAVY METAL THUNDER

Racin' with the wind
And the feelin' that I'm under
Yeah Darlin' go make it happen
Take the world in a love embrace
Fire all of your guns at once
And explode into space

Like a true nature's child
We were born, born to be wild
We can climb so high
I never wanna die

Born to be wild
Born to be wild

Words and music by Mars Bonfire
© MCA Music (BMI)

I mean I know it started as a tongue in cheek riff off an earlier thread, but theres been some REAL dialog between opposition forces here.

TransGlobal Underground sings it best:

Music,
it is the
International Language
But can it manage
to repair the damage
Done by those people in Power
And save the World
In its 11th Hour

The music that they are exposed to before they begin buying is from commercials, many of which play up to the "rebellion" aspect. This is what influences them.

What they're actually used to is being sold to. Many times, this is where their musical tastes grow.

Ironically, once they are part of a rating point, it's they who are being sold.

it doesn't do the work.

Trolling for Stones, I found an interview with Jagger the day before Altamont, where he talks about how people can solve their problems with music.  Well, maybe.  Unless of course there is an actual problem...