DOJ spies on the AP.

Signing the enhanced Patriot Act is the single thing Obama did that most pissed me off.

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DOJ secretly obtaining phone records of AP employees, or the IRS targeting specific groups, or Bloomberg violating privacy on its massive global terminal network system, or the Consumer Protection Agency requesting key information from banks, credit card companies and credit reporting agencies.

I have to admit the last one is not a crime, but it ranks right up there with the IRS. They are requesting some real sensitive personal financial information that they say will be used to "write better rules". Yeah right!!

Shit, identify theft is the least of our worries.

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nor an illegal break in Watergate style. As far as we know now, DOJ simply subpoenaed phone records of phone lines in specific and limited AP offices over a specific apparently two month period.

Shareholders vote to strip Jamie of his chairman role. He resigns in a huff. Stock sells off six percent. Should I buy?
Remember i did quite well after the whale sell off-wish iAd bought more.

for DOJ, FEMA, DHA to spy on citizens and other organizations but when the AP gets a dose of it they go into an uproar? The AP and media in general have been suppressing information at the governments behest for years and they are part of the problem.

I hate the news media and the scum bags deserve to get their clocks cleaned, as opposed to being the cleaners. They are not going to be totally exempt form big brother no matter how you slice it.
They were bitch slapped the boss.

when President Bush signed the Patriot Act,  the country was in total disarray,  what with, 911, then the ricin being mailed,  the Congress voted 357-68,  and the House voted 98-1.  Maybe President Bush was a tadbit outnumbered???

hmmmmmm georgie is used for bush and of course we had to use that muslim name for Obama.... and people claim they are not racist.... and that they don't see what is wrong with calling Obama by his father's name which happens to be muslim affiliated...when will this type of stuff stop and just discuss the issues. This also shows that you are intellectually unable to understand one is right or wrong. Not one of us has all the answers or information to know why Pres Obama renewed it and congress passed it don't forget and the house was republican. So why isn't it harry reids and "bone head boehners" fault ie "I am on vacation more or golfing than I am working" See  how infantile this is calling people names... I guess we have a bunch of toddlers on this board who are men who think they make political points with name calling.

but it was ok for bush to do it to the naacp....... wonders never cease on this board. It wasn't Obama or the white house that did this unlike bush and the naacp. It was an office in Cincinnati by low level officials.... for pete's sakes..... get the damn facts right and stop embellishing things.

Is the thesis still the same? They have a helluva franchise, and I think it can withstand the departure of Dimon. Will the stock drop, probably, but I would expect it eventually bounce back.

Buy more? Seems like you're leveraged enough in the financial sector. And don't necessarily buy stock in the company Dimon may eventually join. Buy the company vs the individual.

IRS vs Consumer Protection Agency? That's a toss-up. I know we had this debate on taxes, but the IRS is acquiring more power, specifically the responsibility for Obamacare.

I don't cheat on my taxes, so one would say not to worry. But how about the Consumer Protection Agency knowing every transaction I make?

Very different from the CPA. The CFPB has been on a roll going after Capital One and American Express. I m not familar with what you are talking about.

Slap yourself. Re-read what I said. What was the context of my post? What the fuck does the NAACP have to do with anything? Embellish? All I said about the IRS was they were targeting certain groups. That sounds pretty factual to me. Pay attention when you read.

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Knew about this but testified to the  contrary before congress. And the head of this particular section also knew this was going on long before she announced it was wrong.

Yes it's the CFPB. New agency led by Richard Cordray, who replaced Elizabeth Warren. Here is an article.

http://www.gobankingrates.com/banking/consumer-financial-protection-bureau-access-banking-info/

I know he is not a Muslim. I would not have cared even if he were.. We have plenty to debate about his policy before we go that route. I am agnostic myself, and respect all the religions equally, although follow none..

Personally, Curly, I'm an atheist and DIS-respect all religions equally.  Actually, I have a problem with calling Bush "Georgie," as it makes him seem like a child and is disrespectful.  OTOH, I hate the bastard and don't care! LOL!

I'd say they are equally bad, although the AP deal is probably legal.  But it's an over-reach and its First Amendment implications bother me.  Re the IRS it goes to the core of Big Government's ability to mis-use its power.  Both suck.

We found out about Bush just a little too late.  But we are going to see the horrors of Obama while he finishes out his last 4 years.  There will be no impeachment, count on it.

That's exactly right.  If you read the testimony, what the IRS said was disingenuous to say the least.  It may not rise to perjury but it comes close because its purpose was to decieve.

Did DOJ aka holder go beyond the Patriot Act and into the realm of the illegal?  

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-denounces-reported-irs-targeting-of-conservative-groups/2013/05/13/a0185644-bbdf-11e2-97d4-a479289a31f9_story.html

Yes Bush and obama

It is interesting how you don't criticize Bush for using it, but do so with Obama (by selecting "use" and "abuse").  I have no doubt both men abused it and I blame Obama for not only using it but agreeing to expand it.  The reality is, since what the government does under the Patriot Act is secret, neither of us has any idea how either President has used it.  So your distinction between Bush having "used it" and Obama having "abused it," is clearly based on no direct knowledge and is nakedly partisan.
You're welcome.

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
Benjamin Franklin  

When I say, or someone else says, "Georgie", image of George Costanza's mother (Seinfeld) comes in my mind, and not that of a kid.  To me, Georgie is a goofnut, a goofball.. But you are free to hate W all you want. I wasn't a big fan of it at all...

The statute bars CFPB from gathering or analyzing "personally identifiable " financial data which is exactly what they seem to be doing unless the banks are redacting your name from your credit card records. But there is nothing in your link about any redaction and this would be a huge burden on the banks.

Regardless of which party is in power, they will use it as weapon to keep us all scared so, they can spy on us.