"A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defence than on programmes of social uplift is approaching spiritual death."

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/mlk1.htm

This is not relevant to your quote but relative to Martin Luther King Day,

Facts you won't hear the media utter tommorow

-King was a communist and attended a dubious communist school in Tennessee that preached treason
-King was a habitual plagiarist. Many of the papers he did in college to earn his doctarate were copied and the "I have a dream speech" was partially copied from another black preacher.

-King was never ordained as a minister.

-Martin Luther King was not his real name.

-Martin Luther King may have been a user of this excellent website as well as he frequently met with prostitutes. One big problem. He often beat the holy hell out of them. The FBI tap on his room the night before he was assasinated was said to have picked up King beating up and berating a prostitute. There is a reason why the FBI files on King were sealed for 50 years by an activist judge.

Despite what the media claims,much of the fame and noteriety attributed to King is that of ignoring all of these inconvienent facts while blowing out of proportion the few things he did without cheating or decieving. He is not at fault though,it is the media who is to blame.

as to how much is spent on both.

spiritual and religious are two completely separate things. He said spiritual not religious. Spirit is what is inside each of us, and in different forms, based on experience, wisdom and understanding. Religion is to have uniformity, control or understand a large mass of people, in order to have less complications. Religion can be used to dictate or determine, where as spirit is in fact the ground innocent and untainted democracy stands on.
He is saying that when a country puts more concern into fighting or preparing to fight, they may shun societies need for social uplift, including education, the elderly, the poverished, medical care... When the people of a nation feel neglected or uncared for by their government, they will suffer spiritually. And tho we pay rediculous amounts in taxes, the majority of our money is spent on warfare. I even paid tax to go to the tanning salon today, and tho Im lit up safely in a uv bed, will my taxes pay for a nuclear bomb to light up some other country? It is the hopelessness that kills spirit. And if each person is feeling this hopelessness, then the country is experiencing a spritual death.

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Who are you listening to that spouts such drivel?

Its called wisdom. Its called history. Its called experience. Its called world travel. Its called cultural study. Its called knowledge. Its called research. Its called POLITENESS and respect, which you may have never heard any of these before.

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You make it difficult when you are sooooooooo wrong.

Care to share your all-mighty knowledge then? Its a fool who accuses someone to be false without first having the proof of backup. Im sick of people just looking for debate. "O lets just debate on and aon and on." Dabating is not my hobby. I just post some good info and then get back to my daily tasks. If you are just wanting a fight, you are picking one with the wrong person, because Im not interested. Im bothering with this post for awhile, just to see exactly what you are talking about, but if you keep up the bad manners and debating for nothing...Ill definitely leave this board. Im Not in the mood! SO go ahead, if you are so sure im wrong and your right. go on and state your facts. Im only saying what a hell of alot of other wisemen also said!

You claim that it is I on a high horse? Give me a break. What impoliteness did I cast upon you? I simply asked YOU first, for your source that we spend the MAJORITY of our money on WARFARE. I said that your sources were spouting drivel.

And your response was nothing but a bunch of "touchy - feely" crap.

Your initial post implied that we spend more on military programs than on social ones. More crap.

I'm not being disrespectful. But when claims are made that are so outrageous, firm responses are called for.

For the past many years, total military spending (not just warfare) only averaged about 4% of GDP. Last time it was above 5% was 1990. Last time above 10% was 1959. Even as a percentage of discretionary spending it has been below 50% for over 10 years.

Now, if you care to put MLK's quote into context... when he wrote it, the discretionary percentage was around 75% and GDP slightly less than 10%. This was all before the "war on poverty" had gotten into full swing of course.

But then again, maybe you don't consider social security, medicare, medicaide and welfare in the "social uplifting" category.

BTW, I agree completely that taxes are way too high.

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discretionary spending but the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are not included because they are not included in the budget so actually it is way more than half.

Jeremy is right (so am I ) and wow! look at that! We both have good manners too! Mr. Right wing, Your name itself shows how close-minded you are. A true wise man can admit there is still more wisdom to gain. You seem to think you sit next to God or Bush and he whispers in your ear before letting anyone else in on his secret. Noone likes an arrogant rude know-it-all. You should be nice. You can give facts and opinions without being an ass.

what is called mandatory spending. Well I guess you can if you want to, but it still doesn't make you correct. Some people often ignore what makes them feel bad or look bad. I am sorry that you "felt" bad because I simply called your source "drivel", but that is what it is. Face it. That is the ONLY negative word I used.

Discretionary spending accounts for far less than half of all federal spending. Even if it was as much as 1/2 of all federal spending that means that budgeted military spending is only 25% of the total. Add in off budget war spending and it is still well below 1/2 of all federal spending.

But the real point is that your original quote did NOT restrict itself to Federal spending on "programmes of social uplift."

You are entitled to your own opinion, but NOT your own facts, but I do understand how easy it is for you to attack me when you run out of the latter.

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the Constitution was not created to do spiritual deeds.

funding an army to defens itself was SPECIFICALLY ENUMERATED as a federal function.

most of the rest of the crap it does not is the result of liberals on acid, smoking weed and interpeting the general welfare clause

in that respect, FDR and Hunter S have a lot in common.....lol

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James Madison, the Father of the Constitution, elaborated upon this limitation in a letter to James Robertson:
With respect to the two words "general welfare," I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators. If the words obtained so readily a place in the "Articles of Confederation," and received so little notice in their admission into the present Constitution, and retained for so long a time a silent place in both, the fairest explanation is, that the words, in the alternative of meaning nothing or meaning everything, had the former meaning taken for granted.
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I didnt quote it, martin luther king quoted it. I just said it still applies, and I dont have a problem if you want to try and prove me wrong and offer facts to support your argument, my problem was with your bad manners and violent approach to arguement. Debating can be calm and with alot of "ah ha's" or "Hmmm's" No need for you to sling mud, unless you rub it on gently so I can have smoother skin afterwards.

from MLK and it did restrict itself to Federal spending on "programmes of social uplift." Curious that your only argument is semantics. It must mean that you have little substance.

individuals. i would submit to you however, in regards to MLK and the destructive power of hopelessness, i would submit you it it is miserymongers like JesseJackoff and Rev Sharkton and their ilk, the poverty/misery/welfare industrial com[plex, has dome more to destroy hope amongst MLK's followers than the racism they claimed to be fighting by overexaggrating it power to keep themselves relaevant

so on this day, i salute MLK by telling rev jack et al to fuck off!!

Since the quote is by Martin Luther King, you almost have to look at  the persona of the man himself to understand its meaning. He was a spiritual man. He knew the constitution yes, but his ambition came from within his heart of what's right and wrong. You might call him "an ambassador of moral duty". He was born black, and at a time where blacks had few rights and were disrespected in society. He confronted society as it was and challenged it to make changes. But if he had been born white, i believe his character would have been the same and used for any cause that reflected moral duty. He could have stood up for the poor, elderly, orphans, ect. So my point is, his passion came from his determined and desparate need to see moral made reality. This is why he made this quote. He did not say there was no need for defending the country, he just said that when the government spends more money and concern on the war then it does on social uplift, then there will be a spiritual death. And the spiritual death is the one i told you about before. Where individuals lose hope. Imagine if he hadn't changed african american rights? imagine the hopelessness of the people who had put their trust and faith in him and what if things never changed? Obviously the hope would be lost and the spirit of his followers crushed. We need more people like him to stand up and speak from their heart and spirit.

you hate the United States of America that has led the world since 1945. I can only assume that you must be 100 or so years old and fondly remember the good old days of Jim Crow, child labor and the robber barons. I am not sure why you hate this country so much but there are plenty of dictatorships in the world that will most assuredly fulfill your needs.

: ) ok, lets tell him to fuck off. then lets go get a coffee : )

I never said the word hate. you are the first one to mention that word here. Dont say i said it, since i didnt AND YOU DID.

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I said i agreed with you, and now you are being odd with me? you dont make sense. You are fighting with someone who agreed with you? what game is that?

BUT I WAS WRONG. What kind of sick fuck are you?????? Grow up, you are attacking innocent people.

The basic truth of the thought has NOT changed and will NEVER change.

But the implication was that TODAY we spend more on the military than social programs. It simply is not true. Not by a long shot. But during the times when MLK was maturing it was far more true than today.

Leave it to Bender to say than non federal or non governmental spending is worthless. I guess everyone should know that all good things come from the government and that the government is the ONLY source of good things.

Florafaun...If you are going to stick around here (at the P and R board) and I hope you do, then you have your work cut out for you, trying to keep our manners in order, but I think that in the process your skin will have no chioce than to grow a wee bit thicker.

a spiritual place, he is misunderstood by even some who claim him (this is JMO).

where I differ with him is the role the federal government should play in nmatterrs of the spirit. in my personal life i have done a great deal of what would be called "charitable work". I call it gratifying" but when you compel people to do these things by governemt fiat, is spiols the spiritual effecacy AND creates a destructive sense of enetitlement,,,,I'm certain MLK would have come to that conclusion had he lived long enough.....as you point out, his times were different

before he started calling the posters "racists".

He usually gets to his low point much more quickly.

i'm buying next time your in town!!!

O yes i agree. France is a perfect example of separation of church and state. They believe that what your spirtitual concerns are should never be mixed with government. They are kept completely separate, even to the point that France was threatened because they did not allow students in school to wear their coverings. Yes spirit is unique. Spirit is two-fold, it is meaning hope (ex: when she saw she could never have her dream, her spirit was crushed) and also spirit meaning a kind of religious belief, but more internal based on research and wisdom. I think MLK was speaking more on the first kind - hope.

See I dont know anyone here. I just know an ass when i see one.
And i think i havn't used the term "sick fuck" in about 6 years. So he obviously was bad enough to trigger that appropriate title.
Right wing, I dont want a thick skin. I like my nice thin soft skin. Im a nice polite person and dont see a need for bad manners - maybe it was too many bars of soap in the mouth when i was a kid and was rude to my mom. Anyway, the soap tasted like shit and i hated her for it, but at least i value the moments for either rude or nice. I think all is ok, but at their appropriate time. As you can see, I have mastered that art of switching back and forth according to the situation. If someone is an ass like "mr sick fuck" ive not fear to tell him, yet if as you can see you are being more nice, Im happy to say "lets be friends"

Actually, I am a very nice and quiet person.

I like nice quiet guys : )
See, isnt it much more nice to be friendly then to fight? imagine everyone got on this way. What a great world we would have.

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get a grip. I was responding to Rightwingunderground.

BILLKILE. I hate to break it to you but you may need glasses.

that non federal spending is worthless and I can't. Looks like a lot of people need glasses here.

we will know who you are replying to. that is not a problem glasses will solve, only you writing a name will solve that issue.

post falls in context to the statement above it. No one else is writing names.

It would have saved the rest of us alot less stress.
Tell me do you have any friends? If so, I dont ever want to meet them. Do you like being such a smart ass? Its one thing if your wife doesnt like you, but even worse when providers dont even like you!

Now that we're friends, right wing, you might want to consider kicking some bender ass. He just doesnt get a hint to behave himself. You understood that its not always neccessary to be rude to get your point across, and look how lovely you are now. So much more attractive to me! But bender likes staying ugly and horrible. How do you suggest we get him to behave?

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It took three replies before you were agreeing with BILLKILE that black leaders should fuck off and that racism in this country was exaggerated. Nice. Not sure what kind of spiritualism you are into but you really need to check it because you are an easy mark.

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Im so done with you bender. You are beyond hope. I thought you would learn some manners, but you like being an ass. You like being mean, angry, horrible and rude. You speak out of your asshole about people you dont even know. You dont know me at all. You havent a damn clue. But fortunately, alot of others do know me and do know how intelligent i am. I had thought this board was a learning zone, a place to bat around ideas and thoughts and info, but its clearly just another war zone. You should just put on some camoflage and go overseas, you have so much anger inside you and dont  know what to do with it, that you attack innocent people like myself and billy and who knows who else has had the displeasure of your company. God, i dont know if you're worse in writing or in person, but i certainly hope you never cross my path. i might find a bullet in my back. I was warned by the moderator that this board was full of mud-slinging, but i thought there might be some decency here still. Clearly not, i will have to inform him thats its not mud you all are flinging, its bullets.

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Its simple, I am nice to nice people and not nice to not nice people. And what does my gender have anything to do with this??! You are out of line now calling me that name. Im contacting the moderator.

because I am a pacifist and an avowed liberal. I am unapologetic about that. You are defending the rightwing racists like BILLKILE and righwingunderground that infest this board, I gather, because they offered to buy you a drink. Your opinion of yourself is sadly unwarranted. Don't worry about crossing my path because my beliefs prohibit me from physically harming anyone and that includes racists and the shallow hookers who kiss their ass. Peace.

to physically assault me. That is also a no-no.

If you knew how to read a thread and realized that my responses were not directed at you, this would not have happened.

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Im not either. I just listen and make my own judgements. I dont claim either. I just have an open mind and listen to info and see truth for what it is, on whatever fence it sits on. sometimes republicans are wrong, and sometimes democrats are wrong. I think them "in writing not reality" offering me a drink is certainly more calming then the words you are saying here. Why do you call everyone racists? Are you black? And stop calling me names like hooker and whore. Ive already written the moderator about you mentioning those names to me on a public board.

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Oh so you are admitting that you like to punish. Because you didnt state who you were talking to, and I assumed it was to me, then you decide to punish me? so i guess my fear wasnt too far off-based. You are a punisher. I cant even imagine how you must punish you children. poor them! And my wish for Right wing to come flying in and kick ass - i hardly think that is a wish for physically assaulting you. It means someone PLEASE come in get this guy to behave. they all know you, i dont know you. They know how to make you stop acting so horrible.
Im outta here. I regret ever stepping into the room. I had thought Id find more wisdom, knowledge, truth, and like-minded individuals here, but all i find is alot of boys with bats. Now you can say whatever you want, im not answering anymore. Im never coming back to this board. Its full of men who want to fight and now they choose to fight women too. Bender, Ive contacted the moderator and if you say more horrible things, he will act on it.

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"everyone" a racist. I call people who minimize the effects of racism on our culture racist. I think that people who want to extinguish entire races of people are racist. My race is immaterial to being moral. Sorry if I insulted you but I do not take to threats of violence quietly. I too have notified the moderator about your threat. Peace.

The only thing that even comes close to a threat was me saying im contacting the moderator. You care to quote me any other way? ive already said that my call for rightwing, was a play on his name " right wing come fly in" you get it? wing - fly in? Not the funniest, but comeon, you need to get a grip.

"Now that we're friends, right wing, you might want to consider kicking some bender ass."

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I'm cool. I don't want that pygmy jumping out at me and punching me in the kneecaps.

"Is it safe?"
-Dr. Christian Szell

This is the first I've been made aware about your dislike of his name-calling... He will stop!

I do allow name-calling, hate-speak, vulgarisms, and misc. scat-fighting on the boards I moderate, however I also uphold the rights of everyone to play at their own level, which includes protecting the inocent such as yourself...

I enforce a "like-means" code of conduct, so if someone speaks out someone shouts "FU!" then others are allowed to respond with "FU2!", but I do not see where your conduct justifies Jeremy's disrespect, so he will STOP as of today or be put on moderated status until the end-of-days!

My warning to you is woven into my response to her!

Here's a link!

(BTW, read closely the part about "like means"... Since I openly call you a fuck-tard to your face, you're free to talk to me anyway you damn well please without fear of moderation... Just don't go "Jack0 on me and plug the whole board up with new threads! Now, go fuck yourself...)

she got offended because she could not follow the thread and thought that my responses to rightwingunderground and BILLKILE were directed at her. Then she started insulting me which never leads to anything good. When she told RWU to "kick some bender ass" I guess I overreacted. That is all of it in a nutshell.

Or were you trying to insult pygmys, dwarfs, and other little people?

It took awhile for each of us to get our repective points across, but I think we finally did, inspite of the "Bender Noise".

I wish now I had been more gentle.

She says that she's gone, but I hope she comes back long enough to read this.

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(I'll admit I'm having a hell of a time trying to follow the thread... But that's mostly do to your lowbrowness, lol!)

Just play within the "like means" boundry and all will be well...

a gang bang!  First RW Underground was fucking Flora, then Bill Kile, then Bender, then a little double team.  And Ben Dover was the fluffer!

That was the most hilarious thread I've ever read.  "I'm telling on you"!!!

I thought I was reading a skit from Abbott and Costello, or one of those guys. BizzaroSuperDude, help me out.

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Spring 2008 the film entitled "Who's on first?" Will be released in all major cinemas. Out on DVD 6 months after. Actors include: Angelina Jolie plays Flora Faun, Rightwing Underground is played by Richard Gere, Leonardo DiCaprio plays Bill Kile, Jeremy Bender is played by Dustin Diamond (also known as Screech), Sean Connery plays Ben Dover and Matt Damon is Fuzzy Phallus. Its anticipated to be a best seller at the box office, but will be available for advanced viewing at the Cannes Film Festival in 2007.

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Whould this movie possibly be a prequel??

have a wonderful sense of humor. One can disgree, but one does not have to be disgreeable. Sorry, I tagged onto to this thread, late. MLK is a hero of mine and your thoughts were appreciated.















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