Innocent on all counts. Not surprising given the facts of the case, the inept prosecution and the high-dollar defense. Honestly, I think Zimmerman behaved recklessly but would have found it hard to get over the "reasonable doubt" hurdle to believe he did not feel at risk. Of course, we'll never know what really happened.
Our system does not produce justice. It produces adjudication. Not truth.
The prosecution was inept because there was NO CASE there. The Seminole County county decided to prosecute Zimmerman because of pressure from DOJ and Barack Hussein Obama...
Like I said in the thread down below...
Barack Hussein Obama - Please proceed to the podium to make address...
I like you inicky, but if some stranger were banging your head on a concrete block, would you not pull your gun and shoot him in the head?
Oh wait..You live in nanny state, don't you..And aren't even allowed to carry a gun !!! OOPS... Totally forgot !!!
If some strange man was following you with a gun would you not bang his head on the concrete, oh and BTW there was no physical evidence Zimmerman was being attacked or the one hurt.
It was Martin that was defending himself.
Remember, it was a concealed weapon. Not an open weapon.
No evidence that Zimmerman was attacked? Really? Did you not see the bloody pictures of the back of his head? Did you just wake up from coma?
He was the one being stalked, was he not? Ok so he was unaware of not knowing the man had a gun, but he was the one being stalked for no reason other then his skin color. He was the one confronted by a strange man. He was the one defending himself.
The Photographic evidence was deemed of an impact to concrete not a head bashing in as you would like to put it, it was minor and consist of a falling down, again not a bashing in.
Again I ask you, if some strange man was following you around or confronting you would you not defend yourself? Was it not Zimmerman who sought out this confrontation? Where is the doubt in that
would not be able to tell a subtle difference between being stalked or not.. Did you know that there were traces of marijuana found in his body...
So let me ask you this....So at what point is it appropriate to pull the gun and shoot in self defense? How serious the injuries need to be....Humor me..
...injured AT ALL if he was in fear of imminent threat to his life.
Having said that, his head injuries were superficial at best. No stitches were required, no CAT scan, no MRI. Let me pound your head against concrete as much as Zimmerman said his head was, Curly, and we'll see what it looks like.
I have pound a guys head on the concrete just a few times and I tell you it looks really nasty and that shit was not a pound on the concrete injury.
I was reading or seen a video where a guy talks about a sign that zimmerman might of hit his head on and got that head cut
Having said that, his head injuries were superficial at best. No stitches were required, no CAT scan, no MRI. Let me pound your head against concrete as much as Zimmerman said his head was, Curly, and we'll see what it looks like.
Are we allowed to use selfdefense against a police officer, who is beating you?
I think you know the answer.
The LE should identify himself as such before any confrontation accrued.
Citizens on patrol, of The neighborhood watch.
I don't know what my reaction would be now...but at the age of 17 I would laugh at that individual.
What I was referring to is police brutality after the victim, is well aware the person beating them is a police officer.
Citizens can't legally defend themselves against police brutality. You could be charged with resisting arrest, assault on a LE officer, or obstruction of (what ever they make up).
...and Zimmerman had no legal authority, who was he going to announce himself as?
if I was 17 and a man was following me the worst I would do is say. hey buddy why are you following me?
To which Zimmerman could reply..... I seems as though Saint Travyon who called Zimmerman a "wild ass cracka" (this is not profiling?) apparently got in Zimmermans face and then jumped him.
I DON'T think this was reasonable behavior. what Zimmerman a "white hispanic" should have done is carry mace not a gun. but he did have the right to carry the gun.
curly why don't you go back to india where you belong. You don't belong here, you were raised with so many wrong ideas about this country that you make one wonder how you can even be a john and treat the girls with respect. Let alone have any empathy for a 17 year old kid.
Somebodies kid, who ran an errand for candy & a coke, lies dead because our mechanism of justice allows for such a situation to occur.
A situation whereby someone driven by ignorant, misinformed bias, and unnecessarily seeking conflict, can find it.
That someone, against the advisement of law enforcement, pushed their woefully bigoted agenda to such an extent where a confrontation was unwittingly forced upon an otherwise unsuspecting innocent.
That innocent kid, who by whatever action managed to get the upper hand, only to be ultimately shot down by the coward who fearfully found themselves on the short end of the stick and finally resorted to committing the ultimate evil.
Travesty.
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not because he ran an errand to buy ice tea and candy.
Yes, Zimmerman's disobeying of Law Enforcement was a poor decision, but wasn't illegal.
Exactly what would of happened if George Zimmerman didn't take it upon himself to initiate a baseless confrontation?
if Treyvon had decided to proceed home instead of jumping Zimmerman. He had already lost him. Zimmerman had gone back to his truck to get an address for the police to come to when he was jumped.
Treyvon could have been home in that amount of time, instead he chose to circle back and accost Zimmerman.
People keep saying they want justice, well, the jury heard the whole case and justice has been decided. Treyvon Martin was guilty of accosting Zimmerman and paid the price...
Martin was the aggressor, not Zimmerman.
This is why I say the jury is an idiot... He is the neighborhood watch of a small closed in community. The address was slightly to the left if him. It is ridiculous to say he went to his car to find out where he was. As you typed that you knew it didn't make common sense. A 3 year old can poke holes in that lie
You say a 3 year old could poke holes through that, yet the state;s prosecution team could not, REALLY !?!?!?!
Almost a year of prep time, days in the court where a jury hears a ton of testimony and deliberates, but they are ALL WRONG and of course you are right...
LMFAO!!!!
Quit being emotional and start being logical.
What I do know without my emotion playing is I realize when I hear and see bias. This is apart of my right brain thinking. Any idiot living some place for 3 years knows exactly where they are at night. Furthermore, any other idiot knows the defense will always have an easier time proving their case than the prosecution. I am dead.. You are alive.. Really? Their is only one story.
What I also know which is a fact that an adult man shot a teen who was unarmed. For any adult on this board and most of you are mature in age to try and say the person dead caused his own death and this makes it acceptable for him to be shot in the heart shows your bias and most of all ignorance. That's completely third world thinking.
Almost a year of prep time, days in the court where a jury hears a ton of testimony and deliberates, but they are ALL WRONG and of course you are right...
LMFAO!!!!
Quit being emotional and start being logical.
Treyvon was a teen...
SO WHAT!! How many teens kill each year?? Answer, a crap load!! The fact that he was a teen has NOTHING to to with this. BTW, the youth was 6'3" tall and serving his 3rd suspension from school for the year!! Please don't insult our intelligence by trying to paint him as some innocent "youth".
There is bias here, but it has been against Zimmerman. Charges never should have been filed, only were due to political pressure, and the fact that the prosecution got its ass kicked so handily is only proof of that.
for me that doesn't take away Zimmerman's responsibility for taking a life.
The law says it was OK for him to defend himself with deadly force. You can't convict someone for not breaking the law...and their was no evidence to back up 1st or 2nd degree murder. with the stand your ground law, you can't be prosecuted for manslaughter.
if Martin were able to posses a legal hand gun, he could of shot Zimmerman, and not faced any charges.
I have a life .. Which means- I don't have time to cut and paste answers.
You have your view filled and complete with bias and I have my view. And your pic means what??
I'm not sure of your age, but the under 25 age posing with the finger is a fad.. It's all over facebook. I take it you are familiar... Your post had no point ( yarn )
What would have happened if Martin would have decided not to go to 7-11 on rainy night? You can take it as far as you can. Confronting someone is not a crime...
Another fact for you Sparky....Who called whom "wise ass cracker". That shows who had hate in their mind...
At the end of the day, it all comes down to who broke the law. I agree that Zimmerman probably should have not got out of his car. But all he was doing was watching the neighborhood.
I don't get that- why would he not go to the store??? That's asinine to think by innocently walking out your house and not making it back - you caused your death??? That's the same mind frame that comes when a woman is attacked. People ask- well what did she have on? As if that makes a difference and gives a reason to make being assaulted OKAY. We don't live in a third world country. The US is more advanced than this thought frame or so I had thought! I learned an awesome lesson today!
..."Zimmerman a "wise ass cracker." He was on the phone with Rachel Jeantel and he described Zimmerman over the phone to her as a "creepy ass cracker."
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In Florida, cracker is equevilent to a cowboy from Texas or a Maverick in business. Look up Florida Crackers. Why would a Negros League Baseball team call themselves the "Atlanta Black Crackers" or ABCs if it were derogatory? Or, why would a white minor league baseball team call themselves the Atlanta Crackers before the Braves moved to town?
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im white and I find cracker offensive but since im not a member of a victim class I dont get to rajdomly decide what is and is not offensive. I like crackers crumbled up in my soup however.
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There is absolutely no evidence he attacked Zimmerman. The defense team at closing even agreed Zimms injuries were not as bad as Zimmerman portrayed. Furthermore, an adult male working in any capacity as security should identify himself in this capacity. What happened with this case is a no brainier with an even more idiotic jury. I don't understand how any of you cannot see that Trayvon was a member of that community which means he was a person who should have been receiving consideration not judged by his clothing.
Every child is taught to run when a stranger is speaking to him in a vehicle, not to mention in the rain. What this dumb jury did was validate the notion Zimmerman had more rights and he acted rational in pulling out a gun on an unarmed teen. The idea a kid can be considered dangerous by merely walking down the street ???
I am in complete despair. You can't be that naive.
Casey Anthony, Innocent, this classless idiot should have been given death But walked away free. Zimmerman- just a scary dude wishing he was an officer of the court -Free and let's get to the interesting case of Mike Vick-Guilty. Wow.. I guess of you kill an animal people take you serious.
he showed up to your door "dressed" like a homeless man
I am beginning to believe that the only tricks that curly hires are the street tricks.
As far as who started the fight no one will ever know.
Some of you sound really retarded and obviously haven't to this day looked a single fact, still unable to get past a non existent racial aspect of a crime that never occurred.
All this verdict proves is that I can move to Florida, sucker somebody into throwing a punch at me, and then I can gun them down in self defense.
" Somebodies kid, who ran an errand for candy & a coke "
You were there ?
What fucking planet are you on? There's video of him in the store.
Idiot.
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I thought the evidence was pretty compelling that Zimmerman profiled a young black man walking thru a white/hispanic community. He followed him through the community because he was black. He approached him because he was black. Now, the evidence may be conflicting as to who threw the first punch and whether Martin got the upper hand in the struggle so as to justify Zimmerman shooting him. But it all STARTED bc of race according to the state.
You are completely skipping that point, aren't you? Fed law under some circumstances protects me from being followed, accosted, and then beaten because of my race even if i whip the guy's ass in the end.
If so, a federal civil rights charge is a very real possibility if the DOJ concludes that the elements of the civil rights statute used to prosecute the guys who killed Vincent Chin bc he was Asian are satisfied. Supposedly Mr. Holder has been investigating this very point.
So I don't think you will see Mr. Obama make any concession speeches till this has been deicided.
I think the NAACP and AL Sharpton will want it but it ain't gonna happen.
Quote :
An FBI investigation into the shooting of black teenager Travyon Martin concluded that there's no evidence the suspect, George Zimmerman, was motived by racial bias or hatred.
Even one of the most skeptical local investigators with the Sanford, Fla., police department, Chris Serino, suggested to the FBI that Zimmerman followed Trayvon “based on his attire,” not “skin color,” and added that he thought Zimmerman had a “little hero complex,” but is not racist...
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2012/0712/FBI-report-No-evidence-George-Zimmerman-is-racist
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trial's worth of evidence. Whether Z was a racist I don't know but the state's evidence shows he profiled Martin bc he was black.
Again I distinguish between the killing and the events leading to the killing. What is not clear to me is whether there is a federal connection sufficient to violate the civil rights statute. But that is what Holder is studying.
The pressure on Mr. Holder to pursue civil rights charges is already mounting.
Wasn't Martin, wearing a hoody(with the hood over his head), and this was between the hours of 18:00 and 19:00, on the east coast during the month of February, whilst raining?
I think under those circumstances it would be hard to determine anyone's race.
Not sure how you came to that conclusion. Not butt hurt at all. Just observing another example of how our criminal justice system operates. True justice really isn't a part of it, which is nothing new. Just to be clear, I don't think the verdict was a miscarriage of justice. Had I been on the jury, given the law and the evidence, I would have most likely voted to acquit.
That said, I do think Zimmerman was reckless in the way he chose to become involved in pursuing Martin, even against the 911 operator's guidance. But once Martin turned on him and began pummeling him, all bets were off. He had a right to defend himself. All the credible evidence (forensic) showed Martin knocking Zimmerman down and was on top of him, hitting him and bashing his head into the concrete. Zimmerman reasonably felt in danger.
His punishment now will be to somehow drop off the face of the earth to avoid being the victim of a revenge killing. That, and living with the fact that he took a human life. Punishment enough, I guess
My guess is Martin and Zimmerman had a misunderstanding, Zimmerman thought Martin was there to commit robbery and Martin thought Zimmerman was stalking him not knowing he was neighborhood watch.
I won't give my opinion on the law, but with the Stand-your-ground law if you get into a fight and you feel your life is threatened... you're allowed to use force.
There are no winners here because two parents lost their son. I feel horrible for the Martin family
And that was the reason why Zimmerman had set a neighborhood watch program. Martin actually had history of violence, and certain texts and evidence pertaining to the same was considered inadmissible in the court by the judge.
The whole case was so weak to begin with that the police didn't even feel the need to arrest Zimmerman right away. He was only arrested and prosecuted later on due to pressure from DOJ and POTUS.
I have no idea who started the fight.. but with the stand your ground law.. I agree the prosecution had a mountain to climb.
Totally untrue!! There was a break in and that young black male was caught. Trayvon did not have a violent background- he was suspended from school for destruction of property ( graffiti)- please tell me where you find violence in this? Lastly, the texts you speak of were never released and also in question because of the time they were sent. It wasn't evident WHO texted . So where do you draw a conclusion on violence?? Wow!
Zimmerman has 3 closed arrests thanks to his daddy the judge. Treyvon has no arrests shall we look up this information as proof since it is public knowledge?
Come on keep showing us your stupidity and your shooting from the hip lies. Curly is this how India does justice?
He did what do many others did and embellished the fact with his own opinion.
You can't turn your opinion into fact. The same way he said treyvon had a violent past. Liar- no where was this reported. I followed this case closely. I watched every day .. So for you to fabricate his history shows you are as brainless as the idiots who sat on the jury. Shame on you Curly!
So it is not unreasonable to believe that Trevyon would have been the one who attacked Zimmerman
Once again? Where are your facts.?? Stop creating lies and perpetrating them as truth. Debate fairly.
Use your right side logic - not the left side which is creative
I don't see how that could be used as admissible evidence
They are some good attorneys and the best he could have gotten in a high dollar defense team. The State made the case of self- defense for the defense.
Zimmerman's Atty. Don West called the incident / trial what it was tonight - a "tragedy" that the incident happened and a "travesty" it ever went to trial.
Also, I liked where Don West says he knows he can be "blunt" but called the state's prosecution of Zimmerman "disgraceful".
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Zimmerman must feel relief, however it will be temporary. He knows what he did, and he will continue to try and justify it for the rest of his life. And yet, down deep he knows he acted on an assumption that was false, and that he could have acted in numerous ways that could have avoided the outcome that occurred. He's guilty of killing someone who he could have easily avoided killing, period!
As a Polynesian with no horse in this race I will try to be as objective as possible here.
1) Having watched 99% of the trial
2) Knowing the Laws in Florida (as a resident of both Maryland and Florida)
3) Working in the Legal field ( although not a s a lawyer, clerk, judge or Law Enforcement).
You Take Billy-Badass wannabe George Zimmerman and you have Travon Martin a Teenager just overflowing with testosterone.
Billy-Badass wannabee confronts and provokes Testosterone teen. Instead of calling authorities Testosterone teen reacts quickly and violently. Billy-Badass wannabee gets his ass whupped. Testosterone Teen does not let up and continues to pound the overwhelmed Billy-Badass wannabee. Billy-Badass wannabee uses his firearm to stop the asskickin. Testosterone Teen Dies as a result.
My Verdict.
Zimmerman
Guilty of Stalking and harassing.
Not Guilty of Murder or manslaughter
90 days in jail and revoke his rights to own any firearms.
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and I agree, Zimmerman is not totally blame free here. He did help stage the situation, but not Murder or Manslaughter.
I would say your judgement would be a fair one.
808 I do believe you've nailed it! Now I hope the msm, CNN, FOX, etc will now give us a break from all the endless news coverage.
1) Having watched 99% of the trial
2) Knowing the Laws in Florida (as a resident of both Maryland and Florida)
3) Working in the Legal field ( although not a s a lawyer, clerk, judge or Law Enforcement).
You Take Billy-Badass wannabe George Zimmerman and you have Travon Martin a Teenager just overflowing with testosterone.
Billy-Badass wannabee confronts and provokes Testosterone teen. Instead of calling authorities Testosterone teen reacts quickly and violently. Billy-Badass wannabee gets his ass whupped. Testosterone Teen does not let up and continues to pound the overwhelmed Billy-Badass wannabee. Billy-Badass wannabee uses his firearm to stop the asskickin. Testosterone Teen Dies as a result.
My Verdict.
Zimmerman
Guilty of Stalking and harassing.
Not Guilty of Murder or manslaughter
90 days in jail and revoke his rights to own any firearms.
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of this trial...Maybe you should give yourself a break from the MSM?
1) Having watched 99% of the trial
2) Knowing the Laws in Florida (as a resident of both Maryland and Florida)
3) Working in the Legal field ( although not a s a lawyer, clerk, judge or Law Enforcement).
You Take Billy-Badass wannabe George Zimmerman and you have Travon Martin a Teenager just overflowing with testosterone.
Billy-Badass wannabee confronts and provokes Testosterone teen. Instead of calling authorities Testosterone teen reacts quickly and violently. Billy-Badass wannabee gets his ass whupped. Testosterone Teen does not let up and continues to pound the overwhelmed Billy-Badass wannabee. Billy-Badass wannabee uses his firearm to stop the asskickin. Testosterone Teen Dies as a result.
My Verdict.
Zimmerman
Guilty of Stalking and harassing.
Not Guilty of Murder or manslaughter
90 days in jail and revoke his rights to own any firearms.
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That's pretty much what I've come to believe.
I can actually see this I'm my visual mind Except the point if its not manslaughter. When you pull out a gun you do so to kill. That changes your intent. He didn't pull it out of his back pants pocket to scare him- he pulled it out to shoot and kill.
You can choose to believe this or not. I'm not sure I do. But Zimmerman claimed he was afraid Martin was going for his gun and was going to kill him with it. Besides, the presumption of the jury was, I believe, Zimmerman was legitimately afraid Martin would seriously injure him with his bare hands.
As a person who has a conceal and carry lisc in both Maryland and Florida. There are certain laws/rules that you have to understand and agree to before you buy and are permitted to posses a firearm.
1) A handgun is an anti-personnel tool. In other words its only purpose is to kill people
2) Never under any circumstances point or aim the gun at anything that you do not intend to shoot. This makes you take full responsibility if the gun "Accidentally Discharges."
3) You can not under any circumstances shoot somebody with the intent to subdue him/her. That is called intentional malicious wounding, even if you were defending yourself. You can only use your handgun (LETHAL force) only if you are in a life threatening situation. But not to subdue, intentionally wound or injure.
4) You can not pull the gun out to make someone stay anywhere against their will even when doing a citizens arrest. That is called unlawful detention and can result in lengthy prison sentences.
So whenever a firearm is pulled, the law assumes that you intend to use the anti personnel device (in other words you intend to kill)
...Most criminal cases depend on the underlying police investigation. Sanford PD phoned in the investigation because they believed Zimmerman's story at first and did not preserve the crime scene because they didn't think it WAS a crime scene.
After two weeks, the local yokels decided not to prosecute. Political pressure forced the State Attorney to take over the case but they didn't have enough to get a conviction.
They did not pursue a conviction because there was never enough evidence to begin with.
Both the prosecution and defense spoke very highly of the Sanford PD, and I think they would know better than you. The defense attorney had it right in the interview, the real shame here was they had to go to trial only for the sake of political correctness when charges should have never been brought in the first place. I think the verdict has proved him correct.
...how the game is played. The prosecution works with them and relies on them to help build their cases. The defense attorneys practice criminal law and don't want to piss off the cops.
Have you ever been in court when a judge is reaming an attorney's ass? When he gets finished, you know what the attorney says? "Thank you, your Honor." Not because he's a masochist, but because he has to appear before the same judge in the future.
ell, these kind of show how wrong you are....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I_Btei6vKs
Wish all arguments were so easy to debunk..
from the get go. Had they reported accurately and without showing their bias no one would be so surprised. I got a kick out of the way they showed Zimmerman's photos, enlarged them to make him look mean and proceed to show Martin's child photos.
The racial aspect of this case was started by media and had Zimmerman not been half White this circus would have never happened.
This case should have never made it to trial in the first place. Justice has been served.
It is interesting to hear more about the prosecution's misconduct and hope that they will pursue sanctions against the State.
Like I said. Black on Black violence goes about 100 times more than what happened on that rainy night in that troubled neighborhood.
Just in 2012 more than 500 murders just in Chicago. Mostly Black on Black. No one is talking about it.
MSNBC and to a lesser extent CNN drove the prosecution...finding racism where it did not exist to incite the prosecution...and now those networks and the Rev Al suggest a miscarriage of justice because an "innocent" child was pursued and shot dead...those who believe this are anything but colorblind...their own racism blinds then from seeing the facts that the jury relied on in determine that Zimmerman acted in self defense. Those facts...Zimmerman could not have run down TM if he was on roller skates; TM disappeared four 4 minutes before the confrontation; and Zimmerman was getting his ass kicked. There is no confrontation unless TM decides to (a) let Zimmerman catch him or (b) he, TM, decides to confront Zimmerman. Yes if Zimmerman had stayed in his car this would not have happened...but if TM hadn't decided to whop Zimmerman's ass it would not have happened either...Several weeks of great TV for MSNBC and CNN...a huge trial expense for the poor taxpayers of Seminole County...here's an idea...how about taxing the costs of the prosecution on MSNBC (70%) and CNN (30%)?
What's worst is you never will.
It saddens me because you all that speak so quick with the dim witted jokes will never see that institutionalism racism has placed the value or rather lack of value on black life.
Do not bring Chicago crime statistics in this- there is a true difference. 7/8 years ago Chicago had the largest project high rises in the US. All were torn down and replaced with homes and luxury apartment buildings.
The people who lived in the projects have since relocated throughout the city which is terribly small and started hell. The violence there is related to gang activity.
Research before you speak .
I am passionate about this because of the careless words and negative comments on the life of a young boy.
The images if young black males being so easy to anger and restless just plays into the stereotypes most of you bias find easy to believe anyway. It just puts a stamp on your thoughts. It's called prejudicial thoughts 😛
How are you deemed suspicious with a bag of candy and a drink in your hand?
What you all lack with the quick comments is empathy. This case is not just black and white. There are so many shades if gray this represents. Too many of you are drawing satisfaction from a senseless death.
That's what bothers me. As if an adult had no responsibility to act as a rational person.
The tasteless jokes and sarcasm are not nice. It's a life loss. This was somebody's son and we say that somebody. I saw a brave woman doing the best she could to not cry in court. To keep her composure and try to get justice for her sins death? Tell me what you saw?
What is important is his life should be treated with respect.. Not a back up joke to a comedy special. What you all don't take into account is a life is gone. That's sad. His parents will never have grandchildren from him. Never see him walk with his wife. Never see him go to prom. And someone made the comment, this would have been avoided if he didn't take a walk to the store?? It's incomprehensible to be so ignorant.
There is institutional racism in the legal system and there are nitwits who trivialize the lose of life, but TM was not killed because he was black...yes it is very probable that Zimmerman would not have approached TM if he had been white...and that was wrong...but does the fact that TM was approached give TM a free pass to kick Zimmerman's ass? Had TM beat Zimmerman head on the sidewalk until Zimmerman died would you suggest that TM was not guilty of some homocide? You have very valid points about institutional racism and the value of life, my point is simply that from the testimony presented this was not a racially motivated killing...we all need to accept the fact that TM had some culpability in his own death...and his actions went beyond walking home with a bag of skittles and a can of ice tea. Will you acknowledge that much?
young Mr. Martin was in possession of an Arizona watermelon fruit juice cocktail, not an Arizona ice tea
and also by President Obama
There will be a civil case with the martin family suing Georgie for wrongful death. Georgie will have to take the stand at this time just like OJ. The jurors might have found him not guilty but like OJ he will be guilty of killing a 17 year old for as long as he lives, and he will be seeing the inside of court rooms for a very long time to come. He is facing, DOJ criminal charges possibly because that case is suspended and the Civil wrongful death case has already been filed. So while all you people that support Zimmerman killing a 17 year old, are the same people that believe in banning all abortions how hypocritical can all of you georgie fans be?
I could see the civi case not going well for Zimmerman.
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I don't support the imp, but the NCAA can cry all they want. A civil rights case will go nowhere.
And get off the 17 year old thing. 17 year old Americans are fighting in Afghanistan right now and 17 year olds will be out murdering each other in Chicago tonight.
when you would use the excuse so and so did it and your mother said I am not dealing with so and so. or she would say just because so and so did it doesn't mean it is right. There are no 17 year olds fighting in Afghanistan and that is not the issue.... stick to the issue. "a 17 year old unarmed man" was killed for no reason. Don't use those excuses with me they don't work.
"stick to the issue. "a 17 year old unarmed man" was killed for no reason."
I'm sorry, the 6 woman jury disagreed with you. Unanimously, they apparently found it was self defense after seeing and listening to all of the evidence.
I do not know who was ultimately at fault and who started the altercation during which the shooting occurred. It is a shame Trayvan was killed.
go find yourself a trick and leave the intellectual discussion to the intellectuals
Florida law holds Zimmerman immune to civil suits, if he was exonerated on the criminal charge.
A civil case against Zimmerman will go nowhere.
Besides, if someone does sue him successfully because the court ignored this law, Zimmerman has no money, and a $500 bankruptcy lawyer can eliminate the judgment against him anyway.
http://law.onecle.com/florida/crimes/776.032.html
1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term "criminal prosecution" includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.
(2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.
(3) The court shall award reasonable attorney’s fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant is immune from prosecution as provided in subsection ....
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...to read the statutes to which 776.032 refers. Or maybe legalese isn't your thing.
776.012 says deadly force is not given immunity, unless the defendant was "standing his ground." Zimmerman did not use "stand your ground" as a defense.
776.013 is commonly known as the "castle doctrine." Zimmerman was not at home.
776.031 is the "defense of others." Zimmerman was not defending anyone else.
Are you sufficiently embarrassed Timbow? In the future, don't post something without having a clue as to what it means.
Zimmerman waived his right to the Stand Your Ground immunity hearing ,but he was afforded the protections of Stand Your Ground since they were on the jury instruction form. Read them below and see they match almost verbatim from the statute, 776.013: 3)
“If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.”
3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony...
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.013.html
Zimmerman can still have an immunity hearing since it was not required before the trial and can be done once.
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Defense lawyer Mark O'Mara expressed confidence that his client would be able to fend off a civil action.
If someone believes that it's appropriate to sue George Zimmerman, then we will seek and we will get immunity in a civil hearing," O'Mara said in a post-verdict press conference.
To seek immunity, Zimmerman would have to ask for a hearing under Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law. He chose not to pursue one before the criminal trial, but O'Mara had suggested he might go that route in the event of an acquittal.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/14/19467814-whats-next-for-george-zimmerman?lite
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...and have a not-a-lawyer circle jerk.
BigPapasan is having a really bad week discussing the law.
On behalf of Mr. Fisher, Timbow, myself, the porn industry, and the other nonlawyers, may I suggest that “ready, fire, aim” is not the best way to debate legal issues? Do some research and thinking before you open fire. At the very least, you need to raise your game debating the P & R Board posters before you square off against an actual lawyer.
How could you have missed the endless commentary that Zimmerman will most likely have statutory immunity in a state law wrongful death or survival action? Google Zimmerman immunity and you will get 50 opinions just like Timbows. The statute does not require a defendant to raise stand your ground in the criminal case in order to assert immunity in the civil case.
While this would have to be litigated to determine for sure whether the Z man would get immunity, (unlike your opinion on the implied consent blood test where it is only necessary to read the statute LOL) as is true with most immunity issues, your unequivocal statement – “the statute is not applicable”- is dead wrong.
Now apologize to Timbow.
why I should give my energy to this media circus of debate on race-baiting and gun-baiting, I have found this story a distraction for us to preserve our precious Creator endowed Bill of Rights that reminds us that we are more alike in our freedom of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Fuck the media! May my black friend in Mississippi get home safely
Unfortunately, many here on this board continue to make this an issue about race when it never was in the first place and was scripted to be so by the media.
It is really a shame that so many people fall into the media hype and are just to blind, brainwashed or stupid to climb out.
Take the very same case with the same evidence, and substitute your son or daughter as the shooting victim, would you see the case and its evidence differently?
I still believe Martin was an innocent victim.
Zimmerman did act in self defense (during an event he initiated)
...and Florida law says it's legal.
My question: is anyone in Florida going to change the law?
I don't believe people should be penalized for defending themselves, but what do you do?
And, the laws and the courts are fucked up. Put, the outcome of the Zimmerman-Martin encounter along side of the linked case where a woman shoots a warning shot to defend herself. Why couldn't she use "Stand Your Ground?"
Anybody who doesn't believe that TM confronted and attack GZ is not playing with a full deck. TM had 4 minutes to walk/run to his dad's house.
TM was NOT some little innocent kid, but was a punk that unfortunately didn't win this fight.
In other news, 3 more blacks were killed on the streets of Chicago last night. Where's Jesse or Al or the other race baiters?
Our system does not produce justice. It produces adjudication. Not truth.
I'll answer your question... There is nothing politically to be gained from deaths in Chicago...
The main investigator wanted gz charged with manslaughter and drew up paper work for his arrest. It was the chief who over ruled his own officer and did not have this man arrested.. thisis a no no in law enforcement. The main investigator knew this man was not telling the truth. For example, he jumped out the bushes at me,, no bushes, he came from behind my truck, false, he held his hand over my mouth but he still was able to screame. Itis sad to see people continue to spread these lies as mentioned as facts.This case was about race from the start. He describe Martin as black and said they always get away and only called the cops on black youth. To all of you in the mainstream popultation. Your days are numbered as the majority in this country. When the shoe gets on the other foot, and it will, then you will understand what it feels like to have your life undervalued, underestimated, and marginlized.
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ut why didn't Corey Florida State's Attorney Angela Corey convene the GRAND JURY ?
Quote :
Serino has said he was gathering evidence for a manslaughter charge when the police department turned the case over to the State Attorney's Office.
Serino's paperwork indicated he had probable cause to charge Zimmerman with manslaughter in the teenager's death, even though police officials said there was not enough evidence.
Bill Lee, the police chief who lost his job following the investigation, told the Sentinel police never believed they had enough evidence to charge Zimmerman, but had Serino fill out the probable cause affidavit because without it, the State Attorney's Office would not take over the investigation.
Timbow you are showing your very selective ignorance. My comments were strictly about the first detective wanting to charge this child killer but was over ruled by the disgraced chief and you start mentioning the the state atty general. By the way, what does the video have to do with what I wrote?Stop drinking the fox koolaid and think for yourself if you can. What about my other comments? Why was he demoted?
Where is the logic, for your rank and file argument?
The PD chief out ranks a detective all the time
Isn't that the job of the DA's office?
Zimmerman said Trayvon was black when asked by the dispatcher to describe him.
-- Modified on 7/16/2013 10:25:03 AM
Here is what NBC edited:
Zimmerman: “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.”
But the full tape went like this:
Zimmerman: “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.”
911 Police Dispatcher: “OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic?”
Zimmerman: “He looks black.
My comments said nothing about defense witnesses. You are lite weight with no intellectual ability and your ideas and thoughts on this issue are hog wash at best. Do you work for faux news?
ah I see...you have personal info on this matter then? If what you say is true, why was it not introduced by the prosecution in the trial? If what you say is true, will it not come to light from the Federal investigation?
Is that all you have? Nbc is not here to defend themselves, but I am. Typical regressive republican response. You have yet to address the issues I wrote about. By the way, where is your buddy "can't keep a woody" curly? The man that hates race baiters but lust after black women but cant close the deal because his little pecker goes limp according to his reviews. Go figure!
"The main investigator wanted gz charged with manslaughter and drew up paper work for his arrest. It was the chief who over ruled his own officer and did not have this man arrested.. thisis a no no in law enforcement."
Irrelevant since the GZ was charged, the case brought to trial. But apparently the original DA did not think there was a case - and was fired over it along with the police chief.
"The main investigator knew this man was not telling the truth. For example, he jumped out the bushes at me,, no bushes, he came from behind my truck, false, he held his hand over my mouth but he still was able to screame. "
The only investigator I saw testify said (and it was subsequently stricken from the record after a prosecution objection) was that he believed GZ. Please post any facts to the contrary.
"Itis sad to see people continue to spread these lies as mentioned as facts.This case was about race from the start. He describe Martin as black and said they always get away and only called the cops on black youth."
The description as "black" has already been answered in the NBC lawsuit reference, the "always get away with it" was on the record in the trial, and please show the evidence that was NOT brought by the prosecution showing GZ only called the cops on Black youth.
Ok, I would suggest you do some research before you mention only what you heard on tv. It is a known fact the the original lead dective drew up the paper work for manslaughter charges and his arrest. He was overruled by the cheif who was fired andsince then this detective has been demoted. Why? I have several friends around the country who are police cheifs and all say it is very rare for a cheif to overule one of his officers in cases such as this. It is also a know fact that GZ made over20 calls with this same issue on only black youth but the sorry judge allowed only those heard at trail.
Search: Baltimore county police officer kills 17yr old boy.
Some similarities in that one, but not even close.
Don't people who work in LE have to obey their superiors on a regular basis?
I really want an logical answer to this question.
"This case was about race from the start. He describe Martin as black and said they always get away and only called the cops on black youth."
The facts (911 call recording) show he described TM as black AFTER being asked what race he was. Check the Zimmerman NBC lawsuit thread for the transcript (and what NBC put on the air).
As far as only calling the cops on black youth I did not see that evidence at the trial. And at least thus far the FBI investigation into racial bias did not report that.
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