Innocent on all counts.  Not surprising given the facts of the case, the inept prosecution and the high-dollar defense.  Honestly, I think Zimmerman behaved recklessly but would have found it hard to get over the "reasonable doubt" hurdle to believe he did not feel at risk.  Of course, we'll never know what really happened.
Our system does not produce justice.  It produces adjudication.  Not truth.

The prosecution was inept because there was NO CASE there. The Seminole County county decided to prosecute Zimmerman because of pressure from DOJ and Barack Hussein Obama...

Like I said in the thread down below...

Barack Hussein Obama - Please proceed to the podium to make address...

I like you inicky, but if some stranger were banging your head on a concrete block, would you not pull your gun and shoot him in the head?

Oh wait..You live in nanny state, don't you..And aren't even allowed to carry a gun !!! OOPS... Totally forgot !!!

If some strange man was following you with a gun would you not bang his head on the concrete, oh and BTW there was no physical evidence Zimmerman was being attacked or the one hurt.

Remember, it was a concealed weapon. Not an open weapon.

No evidence that Zimmerman was attacked? Really? Did you not see the bloody pictures of the back of his head? Did you just wake up from coma?

My guess is Martin and Zimmerman had a misunderstanding, Zimmerman thought Martin was there to commit robbery and Martin thought Zimmerman was stalking him not knowing he was neighborhood watch.

I won't give my opinion on the law, but with the Stand-your-ground law if you get into a fight and you feel your life is threatened... you're allowed to use force.  

There are no winners here because two parents lost their son. I feel horrible for the Martin family

And that was the reason why Zimmerman had set a neighborhood watch program. Martin actually had history of violence, and certain texts and evidence pertaining to the same was considered inadmissible in the court by the judge.

The whole case was so weak to begin with that the police didn't even feel the need to arrest Zimmerman right away. He was only arrested and prosecuted later on due to pressure from DOJ and POTUS.

He was the one being stalked, was he not? Ok so he was unaware of not knowing the man had a gun, but he was the one being stalked for no reason other then his skin color. He was the one confronted by a strange man. He was the one defending himself.

Somebodies kid, who ran an errand for candy & a coke, lies dead because our mechanism of justice allows for such a situation to occur.  

I thought the evidence was pretty compelling that Zimmerman profiled a young black man walking thru a white/hispanic community. He followed him through the community because he was black. He approached him because he was black. Now,  the evidence may be conflicting as to who threw the first punch and whether Martin got the upper hand in the struggle so as to justify Zimmerman shooting him. But it all STARTED bc of race according to the state.

would not be able to tell a subtle difference between being stalked or not.. Did you know that there were traces of marijuana found in his body...

I have no idea who started the fight.. but with the stand your ground law.. I agree the prosecution had a mountain to climb.

not because he ran an errand to buy ice tea and candy.

Yes, Zimmerman's disobeying of Law Enforcement was a poor decision, but wasn't illegal.

Exactly what would of happened if George Zimmerman didn't take it upon himself to initiate a baseless confrontation?

High dollar defense yep even though the State had more resources and money....

They are some good attorneys and the best he could have gotten in a high dollar defense team. The State made the case of self- defense for the defense.

Zimmerman's Atty. Don West called the incident / trial what it was tonight - a "tragedy" that the incident happened and a "travesty" it ever went to trial.
Also, I liked where Don West says he knows he can be "blunt" but called the state's prosecution of Zimmerman "disgraceful".  











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Zimmerman must feel relief, however it will be temporary. He knows what he did, and he will continue to try and justify it for the rest of his life. And yet, down deep he knows he acted on an assumption that was false, and that he could have acted in numerous ways that could have avoided the outcome that occurred.  He's guilty of killing someone who he could have easily avoided killing, period!

As a Polynesian with no horse in this race I will try to be as objective as possible here.  

...Most criminal cases depend on the underlying police investigation.  Sanford PD phoned in the investigation because they believed Zimmerman's story at first and did not preserve the crime scene because they didn't think it WAS a crime scene.

After two weeks, the local yokels decided not to prosecute.  Political pressure forced the State Attorney to take over the case but they didn't have enough to get a conviction.

...injured AT ALL if he was in fear of imminent threat to his life.

Having said that, his head injuries were superficial at best.  No stitches were required, no CAT scan, no MRI.  Let me pound your head against concrete as much as Zimmerman said his head was, Curly, and we'll see what it looks like.

Might be a little harder for DOJ to prove a hate crime aganist the cracker Zimmerman....

I think the NAACP and AL Sharpton will want it but it ain't gonna happen.
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An FBI investigation into the shooting of black teenager Travyon Martin concluded that there's no evidence the suspect, George Zimmerman, was motived by racial bias or hatred.
Even one of the most skeptical local investigators with the Sanford, Fla., police department, Chris Serino, suggested to the FBI that Zimmerman followed Trayvon “based on his attire,” not “skin color,” and added that he thought Zimmerman had a “little hero complex,” but is not racist...

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2012/0712/FBI-report-No-evidence-George-Zimmerman-is-racist

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So only the criminals and cops have them?  How about those 2 pussified wimps in London who butchered that guy last month in front of all of those people.  In a shall issue State their sorry worthless asses would have been shot.  Unfortunately I live in a may issue State.  About the Zimmerman thing I disagree with what he did by chasing him.  Also, if he actually had MMA training or BJJ training which I do, he should have easily been able to control Martin like a rag doll without having to use his gun.

if Treyvon had decided to proceed home instead of jumping Zimmerman. He had already lost him. Zimmerman had gone back to his truck to get an address for the police to come to when he was jumped.

and I agree, Zimmerman is not totally blame free here. He did help stage the situation, but not Murder or Manslaughter.

They did not pursue a conviction because there was never enough evidence to begin with.

from the get go. Had they reported accurately and without showing their bias no one would be so surprised. I got a kick out of the way they showed Zimmerman's photos, enlarged them to make him look mean and proceed to show Martin's child photos.

The racial aspect of this case was started by media and had Zimmerman not been half White this circus would have never happened.

This case should have never made it to trial in the first place. Justice has been served.

It is interesting to hear more about the prosecution's misconduct and hope that they will pursue sanctions against the State.

What would have happened if Martin would have decided not to go to 7-11 on rainy night? You can take it as far as you can. Confronting someone is not a crime...

Another fact for you Sparky....Who called whom "wise ass cracker". That shows who had hate in their mind...

At the end of the day, it all comes down to who broke the law. I agree that Zimmerman probably should have not got out of his car. But all he was doing was watching the neighborhood.

...He says you are welcome.

Like I said. Black on Black violence goes about 100 times more than what happened on that rainy night in that troubled neighborhood.

Just in 2012 more than 500 murders just in Chicago. Mostly Black on Black. No one is talking about it.

Are we allowed to use selfdefense against a police officer, who is beating you?

Some of you sound really retarded and obviously haven't to this day looked a single fact, still unable to get past a non existent racial aspect of a crime that never occurred.

808 I do believe you've nailed it! Now I hope the msm, CNN, FOX, etc will now give us a break from all the endless news coverage.  
 

Martin was the aggressor, not Zimmerman.

Not sure how you came to that conclusion.  Not butt hurt at all.  Just observing another example of how our criminal justice system operates.  True justice really isn't a part of it, which is nothing new.  Just to be clear, I don't think the verdict was a miscarriage of justice.  Had I been on the jury, given the law and the evidence, I would have most likely voted to acquit.
That said, I do think Zimmerman was reckless in the way he chose to become involved in pursuing Martin, even against the 911 operator's guidance.  But once Martin turned on him and began pummeling him, all bets were off.  He had a right to defend himself.  All the credible evidence (forensic) showed Martin knocking Zimmerman down and was on top of him, hitting him and bashing his head into the concrete.  Zimmerman reasonably felt in danger.
His punishment now will be to somehow drop off the face of the earth to avoid being the victim of a revenge killing.  That, and living with the fact that he took a human life.  Punishment enough, I guess

That's pretty much what I've come to believe.

of this trial...Maybe you should give yourself a break from the MSM?  

There is absolutely no evidence he attacked Zimmerman. The defense team at closing even agreed Zimms injuries were not as bad as Zimmerman portrayed. Furthermore, an adult male working in any capacity as security should identify himself in this capacity. What happened with this case is a no brainier with an even more idiotic jury. I don't understand how any of you cannot see that Trayvon was a member of that community which means he was a person who should have been receiving consideration not judged by his clothing.  

This is why I say the jury is an idiot... He is the neighborhood watch of a small closed in community. The address was slightly to the left if him. It is ridiculous to say he went to his car to find out where he was. As you typed that you knew it didn't make common sense. A 3 year old can poke holes in that lie

I don't get that- why would he not go to the store??? That's asinine to think by innocently walking out your house and not making it back - you caused your death??? That's the same mind frame that comes when a woman is attacked. People ask- well what did she have on? As if that makes a difference and gives a reason to make being assaulted OKAY. We don't live in a third world country. The US is more advanced than this thought frame or so I had thought! I learned an awesome lesson today!

Mr. Martin looks more Dominican, than African American to me.

MSNBC and to a lesser extent CNN drove the prosecution...finding racism where it did not exist to incite the prosecution...and now those networks and the Rev Al suggest a miscarriage of justice because an "innocent" child was pursued and shot dead...those who believe this are anything but colorblind...their own racism blinds then from seeing the facts that the jury relied on in determine that Zimmerman acted in self defense.  Those facts...Zimmerman could not have run down TM if he was on roller skates; TM disappeared four 4 minutes before the confrontation; and Zimmerman was getting his ass kicked.  There is no confrontation unless TM decides to (a) let Zimmerman catch him or (b) he, TM, decides to confront Zimmerman.  Yes if Zimmerman had stayed in his car this would not have happened...but if TM hadn't decided to whop Zimmerman's ass it would not have happened either...Several weeks of great TV for MSNBC and CNN...a huge trial expense for the poor taxpayers of Seminole County...here's an idea...how about taxing the costs of the prosecution on MSNBC (70%) and CNN (30%)?

Totally untrue!! There was a break in and that young black male was caught. Trayvon did not have a violent background- he was suspended from school for destruction of property ( graffiti)- please tell me where you find violence in this? Lastly, the texts you speak of were never released and also in question because of the time they were sent. It wasn't evident  WHO texted . So where do you draw a conclusion on violence?? Wow!

I can actually see this I'm my visual mind Except the point if its not manslaughter. When you pull out a gun you do so to kill. That changes your intent. He didn't pull it out of his back pants pocket to scare him- he pulled it out to shoot and kill.

What's worst is you never will.
It saddens me because you all that speak so quick with the dim witted jokes will never see that institutionalism racism has placed the value or rather lack of value on black life.

he showed up to your door "dressed" like a homeless man

curly why don't you go back to india where you belong. You don't belong here, you were raised with so many wrong ideas about this country that you make one wonder how you can even be a john and treat the girls with respect. Let alone have any empathy for a 17 year old kid.

There will be a civil case with the martin family suing Georgie for wrongful death. Georgie will have to take the stand at this time just like OJ. The jurors might have found him not guilty but like OJ he will be guilty of killing a 17 year old for as long as he lives, and he will be seeing the inside of court rooms for a very long time to come. He is facing, DOJ criminal charges possibly because that case is suspended and the Civil wrongful death case has already been filed. So while all you people that support Zimmerman killing a 17 year old, are the same people that believe in banning all abortions how hypocritical can all of you georgie fans be?

You can choose to believe this or not.  I'm not sure I do.  But Zimmerman claimed he was afraid Martin was going for his gun and was going to kill him with it.  Besides, the presumption of the jury was, I believe, Zimmerman was legitimately afraid Martin would seriously injure him with his bare hands.

and also by President Obama

There is institutional racism in the legal system and there are nitwits who trivialize the lose of life, but TM was not killed because he was black...yes it is very probable that Zimmerman would not have approached TM if he had been white...and that was wrong...but does the fact that TM was approached give TM a free pass to kick Zimmerman's ass?  Had TM beat Zimmerman head on the sidewalk until Zimmerman died would you suggest that TM was not guilty of some homocide?  You have very valid points about institutional racism and the value of life, my point is simply that from the testimony presented this was not a racially motivated killing...we all need to accept the fact that TM had some culpability in his own death...and his actions went beyond walking home with a bag of skittles and a can of ice tea.  Will you acknowledge that much?

As far as who started the fight no one will ever know.

why I should give my energy to this media circus of debate on race-baiting and gun-baiting, I have found this story a distraction for us to preserve our precious Creator endowed Bill of Rights that reminds us that we are more alike in our freedom of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.  Fuck the media!  May my black friend in Mississippi get home safely

I could see the civi case not going well for Zimmerman.

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young Mr. Martin was in possession of an Arizona watermelon fruit juice cocktail, not an Arizona ice tea

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JgM7_0Bius

Unfortunately, many here on this board continue to make this an issue about race when it never was in the first place and was scripted to be so by the media.
It is really a shame that so many people fall into the media hype and are just to blind, brainwashed or stupid to climb out.

trial's worth of evidence. Whether Z was a racist I don't know but the state's evidence shows he profiled Martin bc he was black.

The LE should identify himself as such before any confrontation accrued.

I don't support the imp, but the NCAA can cry all they want. A civil rights case will go nowhere.  

" Somebodies kid, who ran an errand for candy & a coke "  

Citizens on patrol, of The neighborhood watch.  

Wasn't Martin, wearing a hoody(with the hood over his head), and this was between the hours of 18:00 and 19:00, on the east coast during the month of February, whilst raining?

when you would use the excuse so and so did it and your mother said I am not dealing with so and so. or she would say just because so and so did it doesn't mean it is right. There are no 17 year olds fighting in Afghanistan and that is not the issue.... stick to the issue. "a 17 year old unarmed man" was killed for no reason. Don't use those excuses with me they don't work.

"stick to the issue. "a 17 year old unarmed man" was killed for no reason."

..."Zimmerman a "wise ass cracker."  He was on the phone with Rachel Jeantel and he described Zimmerman over the phone to her as a "creepy ass cracker."

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...how the game is played.  The prosecution works with them and relies on them to help build their cases.  The defense attorneys practice criminal law and don't want to piss off the cops.

Have you ever been in court when a judge is reaming an attorney's ass?  When he gets finished, you know what the attorney says?  "Thank you, your Honor."  Not because he's a masochist, but because he has to appear before the same judge in the future.

go find yourself a trick and leave the intellectual discussion to the intellectuals

As a person who has a conceal and carry lisc in both Maryland and Florida. There are certain laws/rules that you have to understand and agree to before you buy and are permitted to posses a firearm.  

Take the very same case with the same evidence, and substitute your son or daughter as the shooting victim, would you see the case and its evidence differently?

Zimmerman has 3 closed arrests thanks to his daddy the judge. Treyvon has no arrests shall we look up this information as proof since it is public knowledge?

I am beginning to believe that the only tricks that curly hires are the street tricks.

Florida law holds Zimmerman immune to civil suits, if he was exonerated on the criminal charge.  
A civil case against Zimmerman will go nowhere.  
Besides, if someone does sue him successfully because the court ignored this law, Zimmerman has no money, and a $500 bankruptcy lawyer can eliminate the judgment against him anyway.

He did what do many others did and embellished the fact with his own opinion.  
You can't turn your opinion into fact. The same way he said treyvon had  a violent past. Liar- no where was this reported. I followed this case closely. I watched every day .. So for you to fabricate his history shows you are as brainless as the idiots who sat on the jury. Shame on you Curly!

I don't see how that could be used as admissible evidence

http://law.onecle.com/florida/crimes/776.032.html

1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term "criminal prosecution" includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.

(2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.

(3) The court shall award reasonable attorney’s fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant is immune from prosecution as provided in subsection ....

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In Florida, cracker is equevilent to a cowboy from Texas or a Maverick in business. Look up Florida Crackers. Why would a Negros League Baseball team call themselves the "Atlanta Black Crackers" or ABCs if it were derogatory? Or, why would a white minor league baseball team call themselves the Atlanta Crackers before the Braves moved to town?

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...to read the statutes to which 776.032 refers.  Or maybe legalese isn't your thing.

776.012 says deadly force is not given immunity, unless the defendant was "standing his ground."  Zimmerman did not use "stand your ground" as a defense.

776.013 is commonly known as the "castle doctrine."  Zimmerman was not at home.

776.031 is the "defense of others."  Zimmerman was not defending anyone else.

Are you sufficiently embarrassed Timbow?  In the future, don't post something without having a clue as to what it means.

So it is not unreasonable to believe that Trevyon would have been the one who attacked Zimmerman

And pray tell what makes you think he was a fuck up? Since when did an adult shooting a kid make the victim responsible for his death? That logic right there is why most of the OPINIONS on this board are exactly that. When you make a profound statement at least have the gall to back  it up by fact or remain silent.
One more moron...

You say a 3 year old could poke holes through that, yet the state;s prosecution team could not, REALLY !?!?!?!

ell, these kind of show how wrong you are....

Anybody who doesn't believe that TM confronted and attack GZ is not playing with a full deck.  TM had 4 minutes to walk/run to his dad's house.

All this verdict proves is that I can move to Florida, sucker somebody into throwing a punch at me, and then I can gun them down in self defense.

What fucking planet are you on? There's video of him in the store.

I'll answer your question... There is nothing politically to be gained from deaths in Chicago...

What I do know without my emotion playing is I realize when I hear and see bias. This is apart of my right brain thinking. Any idiot living some place for 3 years knows exactly where they are at night. Furthermore, any other idiot knows the defense will always have an easier time proving their case than the prosecution. I am dead.. You are alive.. Really? Their is only one story.  
 
What I also know which is a fact that an adult man shot a teen who was unarmed. For any adult on this board and most of you are mature in age to try and say the person dead caused his own death and this makes it acceptable for him to be shot in the heart shows your bias and most of all ignorance. That's completely third world thinking.
 

Once again? Where are your facts.?? Stop creating lies and perpetrating them as truth. Debate fairly.
Use your right side logic - not the left side which is creative

Of course anyone with an emotional tie to the victim would not be happy with this verdict.  But, let's say the verdict was guilty based on the same evidence, how with those with emotional ties to GZ feel?  The verdict should not be based on emotions, but on facts.  Virtually every credible legal commentator has said the facts did not support a conviction.

Treyvon was a teen...

I still believe Martin was an innocent victim.

I'm not saying Martin was guilty of BE, but I have never broken into an occupied residence.

And, the laws and the courts are fucked up. Put, the outcome of the Zimmerman-Martin encounter along side of the linked case where a woman shoots a warning shot to defend herself. Why couldn't she use "Stand Your Ground?"

for me that doesn't take away Zimmerman's responsibility for taking a life.

The main investigator wanted gz charged with manslaughter and drew up paper work for his arrest. It was the chief who over ruled his own officer and did not have this man arrested.. thisis a no no in law enforcement. The main investigator knew this man was not telling the truth. For example, he jumped out the bushes at me,, no bushes, he came from behind my truck, false, he held his hand over my mouth but he still was able to  screame. Itis sad to see people continue to spread these lies as mentioned as facts.This case was about race from the start. He describe Martin as black and said they always get away and only called the cops on black youth. To all of you in the mainstream popultation. Your days are numbered as the majority in this country. When the shoe gets on the other foot, and it will, then you will understand what it feels like to have your life undervalued, underestimated, and marginlized.

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if I was 17 and a man was following me the worst I would do is say. hey buddy why are you following me?
To which Zimmerman could reply..... I seems as though Saint Travyon who called Zimmerman a "wild ass cracka" (this is not profiling?) apparently got in Zimmermans face and then jumped him.

im white and I find cracker offensive but since im not a member of a victim class I dont get to rajdomly decide what is and is not offensive. I like crackers crumbled up in my soup however.  
 

You are the one that is clueless read this. ..............

Zimmerman waived his right to the Stand Your Ground immunity hearing ,but he was afforded the protections of Stand Your Ground since they were on the jury instruction form. Read them below and see they match almost verbatim from the statute, 776.013: 3)

“If George Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.”


3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony...


http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.013.html

Zimmerman can still have an immunity hearing  since it was not required before the trial and can be done once.

Quote :
Defense lawyer Mark O'Mara expressed confidence that his client would be able to fend off a civil action.
If someone believes that it's appropriate to sue George Zimmerman, then we will seek and we will get immunity in a civil hearing," O'Mara said in a post-verdict press conference.
To seek immunity, Zimmerman would have to ask for a hearing under Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law. He chose not to pursue one before the criminal trial, but O'Mara had suggested he might go that route in the event of an acquittal.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/14/19467814-whats-next-for-george-zimmerman?lite





















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...and have a not-a-lawyer circle jerk.

ut why didn't Corey  Florida State's Attorney Angela Corey  convene the GRAND JURY ?
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Serino has said he was gathering evidence for a manslaughter charge when the police department turned the case over to the State Attorney's Office.

You might want to follow that NBC defamation suit by Zimmerman ....

Zimmerman said Trayvon was black when asked by the dispatcher to describe him.



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Here is what NBC edited:
 Zimmerman: “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.”

Timbow you are showing your very selective  ignorance. My comments were strictly about the first detective wanting to charge this child killer  but was over ruled by the disgraced chief and you start mentioning the the state atty general. By the way, what does the video have to do with what I wrote?Stop drinking  the fox   koolaid and think for yourself if you can. What about my other comments? Why was he demoted?
 

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Serino the great witness for the defense. EOM

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Re: You might want to follow that NBC defamation suit by Zimmerman ....

My comments said nothing about defense witnesses.  You are lite weight with no intellectual ability and your ideas and thoughts on this issue are hog wash at best. Do you work for faux news?

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Re: You might want to follow that NBC defamation suit by Zimmerman ....

ah I see...you have personal info on this matter then?  If what you say is true, why was it not introduced by the prosecution in the trial?  If what you say is true, will it not come to light from the Federal investigation?

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Here is where you reminded me of NBC. ........

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This case was about race from the start. He describe Martin as black and said they always get away  

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Re: Here is where you reminded me of NBC. ........

Is that all you have? Nbc is not here to defend themselves, but I am. Typical regressive republican response. You have yet to address the issues I wrote about. By the way, where is your buddy "can't keep a woody" curly? The man that hates race baiters but lust after black women but cant close the deal because his little pecker goes limp according to his reviews.  Go figure!

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