"Iran is an existential threat to peace ... It's very important for the
world to take the Iranian threat quite seriously, which the United
States does," said George W. Bush in Globe and Mail approximately six weeks ago.

Existential:ex·is·ten·tial [ègzi sténsh?l, èksi sténsh?l] adj 1.  relating to human existence: concerned with or relating to existence, especially human existence   Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2004 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Mr Bush followed up Mr Brown's statement with a declaration that he had
not ruled out the use of force if Iran did not comply with international demands over its nuclear activities.

Ya know I have started a blog about Bush's latest rampage with his quote about Iran being an existential threat to world peace being the beginning a
million times...but to tell you the God's honest truth I am afraid of
the ramifications. Now they put people on the "no fly" list and worse
for saying things against the government. Its crazy out of control.

But, one should never cast aspersions at Persians...If I were a gambler, which I am not, I would be placing my bet on the oldest
civilization in the world...the strongest empire that has survived
every evolutionary change and threat to humanity that has ever existed...not some jackass idiot that had to practice 2 hours just to
be able to say the word existential, lets not even think about defining
it or using it in another sentence. What a fucking moron! If he thinks
going against Iran is anything like going against any other nation...he
is out of his mind in stupidity. He better be prepared to push that big
button the first time and be done with it and hope they don't have time
to push theirs before it hits. I see the end of the world as a result
of this fight and nothing less.

There, I said it. That's what I think. I think the Iranian president is just as much of an idiot, saying all of those horrible things against and about Isreal and Judaism. Which is why I don't trust that the response from Iran would be anything less than everything they've got. Make no mistake people. This is a holy war erupting before your eyes. A fight about religious beliefs and practices. What I don't get is not one of their religions condones killing or judgement of another. And we are standing here watching doing nothing. Please don't hate the Iranian people because of the propaganda you are being fed by Bush and others. Believe me when I say that we are sane loving people who happen to have a crazy president just as the United States has Bush...lol. The Persian people are no more proud of their president than the American people are of Bush.  S.O.S. IRAN

Your face looks like Catherine Bell's.  Are you a practicing Muslim?  What do you think about Jews, Christians and other infidels?  How many relatives do you have back in Iran?  What would your relatives do to you if they knew you were a provider?

Do you think Iran is going to nuke Israel as soon as they have the bomb?

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Good questions Geezer
I haven't looked at the photos yet as I had to take a breath after reading her reviews..

 I'm not answering for her but Israel is going to take out Irans nuke capabilities August 23 unless there is a postponement..

Lots of people are hoping for a postponement..
http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=5477

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Thank you GOPGeezer! Catherine Bell is smokin hot! I gotta love ya for that comparison...muah!

But really thank you for replying to my post with such poignant and provacative questions. I am honored.

I am not a Muslim, Christian, or a Jew. I have studied nearly all the major religions in the world and have my own ethereal odyssey that I ride rather than conforming to any one of them. I respect all religions and the right for people to have them. I don't respect misinterpretations of supposed "holy books" that result in the degradation of humanity in any way.

Half of my family is in Iran...my father died in Iran a year and half ago.  If they knew I was a provider I would be killed by stoning. I am from a prominent family and am an attorney in my "other" life. They would never understand this.

I think Iran already has the bomb and has had the bomb for a long time. I assure you that the Persian Empire has always and will always be prepared to defend itself. No, I don't think Iran is going to bomb Isreal.

BOMBING FOR PEACE IS LIKE FUCKING FOR VIRGINITY!

Granted, too many people confuse Iran with the greater Arabia. I get a strong sense that your analysis of the two sides puts Bush (fairly alone) on one side and the greater Persian civilization and people on the other. Bush is not alone in his “rampage”. There is a strong coalition of many governments standing together on this. He is not the only government leader talking about various possible actions.

No one wants to crush the Persian civilization. Whatever happens next, whatever the conclusion is to this issue, the Iranian people will most certainly survive, even if Israel nukes them. Israel on the other hand probably won’t be so lucky. So what would you do? What’s your evidence that Iran already has nukes? Do you really think that the West and the U.S. actions are based on religious beliefs in this Holy war?

No one hates the Iranian people, not even Bush. I and the Western governments are hoping for, looking for, and hopefully plotting for the Iranian people to wrest power away from those in charge and send Iran on a different course.

How true is the assertion that we often hear that Iranian people are much more pro-Western than others (i.e. Arabs) in the Middle East?

source of glory and joy of all mankind, the envy of East and West. Indeed, the word Paradise derives from the language of Farsi. History has witnessed, that Persia's King of Kings humbled the rulers of Greece and Rome. As attested by the Old Testament, King Cyrus was the noblest and wisest of rulers.

Persia has been graced with many superlatives but now their people are in a degenerate state by a government led by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. With deep reflection, resolute action, training, inspiration, and encoragement, I hope that the people of Persia will awake from their lethargy to shine again with intellect and wisdom.

Likewise, I hope the people and leaders of the West will do the same.

Merci, for your post.

Breaker


By the way Catherine Bell is half-Persian.

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As a matter of fact, get incognito and incommunicado immediately.  This very thread might be putting you in grave danger.

Get going and when you're someplace new and well settled with a new identity, just practice  bread and butter law or something.  Saving your life is the most important thing.

What a kind man you are! If only every man had a protective instinct like that, women would be safe in the world. Thank you.

But, consider these points:
1) I risk my life everytime I invite a man unknown to me into my home or hotel room or go to his. It's no secret that violence and murder rates are way higher among providers than other women.

I also risk my life in another way. I risk my freedom.  Also, do you not think people in America won't cast proverbial stones at me for being a provider if I am found out?

2) Do you not risk your life everytime you engage in the hobby? Would you loose the wife you love?...the job you have worked for your entire career to get? ...friends? etc if found out?  

There are many extreme risks that we all take to engage in this hobby, whether as a provider or hobbyist. The stakes are high for all of us. We have all chosen for our own reasons to take the risk even though we pretty much risk everything, including our lives.

For me, it has nothing to do with a few hundred dollars. My life is worth way more than that.

I will be traveling to Iran sometime within the next few months. At that time I will request that TER delist me (as I have before) and I will take my website down. So, I do take some precautionary measures.

I want this to be clear for everyone. There is absolutely no circumstances, NONE, that you will ever see the U.S. or U.N. take control over or occupy ANY PART of Iran. You will see the end of the world first. Iran will NEVER allow that to happen.  So the Israeli people will not survive if any sort of attack or attempt  to control/occupy Iran occurs. Neither will anyone else.

What I would do is empower the people of Iran who have been oppressed and controlled by this crazy government for long enough. I would give the Persian people what they need to take their country back.

I have no evidence that Iran already has the nukes. My opinion is based purely on the power that the Persian Empire has always possessed...the ability to conquer all.

Yes, I really believe this is a fight about religious beliefs AND oil.  There are a lot of Christians that believe only people who accept that Jesus saves them are chosen. And the fight between the Jewish and Muslim beliefs goes back forever.

It is only for the Persian people themselves to stop the madness of their government and set themselves on a different course. They just need the means and resources to do it.

Yes, its true that Persians are much more friendly and accepting of Americans than the Arab nations. Before this crazy government took control by force, the U.S. and Iran had a very close friendship and alliance.

Even I can't picture the neo-cons (who are now much more out of favor in this Executive) wanting to invade or would even contemplate invading Iran.

Strategically bomb the shit out of parts it yes, invade no. Religious Americans have a say in who gets elected here (even the zealots), but the radical zealots are not running the government. So any religious war can only be one sided. Now oil is a different story. American interest in the Middle East is probably 60% about the oil, 30% about Israel and 10% the same as our interest in oh say Africa. About the oil, the only thing America wants is for the oil to flow freely at market prices. Yes, U.S. and multi-national companies will try to profit from it. Even some individuals previously in the government will try to profit from it (e.g. Richard Perle). And there will even be some cronyism related, but it’s not the policy of the U.S. to attempt to control Iranian oil

The main reason the U.S. hasn’t taken “violent” action thus far is BECAUSE of the Iranian people. We know that you are capable of and looking for a way to take control of your country again. The fear is that if we push too hard to get rid of the present government or act too violently (read drop bombs) in suppressing the nuclear capability it will anger the people (due to their national pride, which is clearly inside you as well).

Do you think it is possible for enough of the rational and thinking Iranians to hold back the anger of their tongues and swords should the U.S. implement a series surgical air strikes aimed only at crippling the nuclear production? This is the razor that we walk. We know the people want “some” kind of assistance. While they might not be considered “on our side” they are probably leaning more to the U.S. goals than their own government’s. You demonstrate this trait yourself.

Given the past two decades of C.I.A. history I could be horribly wrong, but I have to think that we are trying very hard to figure out just what those “means and resources” are and how to deliver them.

Dropping bombs on the soil of another country is an extreme form of invasion and show of forceful taking of control. No, I don't think the Iranian people would appreciate being bombed! Again I state BOMBING FOR PEACE IS LIKE FUCKING FOR VIRGINITY!

Can't we at least learn from our own mistakes??? We bombed Iraq in strategic places and now our troops who are supposedly there helping the people have to defend themselves from the very people that we are supposedly trying to help. We strategically bombed their schools, libraries, and other resources in the process of bombing the shit out of the supposed threatening areas. The CIA did a great job determining where the weapons of mass destruction were located in Iraq.

You keep saying nobody hates the Persian people. You have no idea the hate Bush has fostered in people. I get horrible emails, sometimes treated differently, etc because of my Persian heritage.

Its easy from your perpective to just take out the nukes and leave....The Persian people have been terrorized enough. Believe me when I say bombing them is not the way to show support of the people. Whatever corrective action that needs to be taken must come from the people of Iran. Forgive me if I don't think the current administration is competent enough to determine how best to support a revolution.  The current administration hasn't proven that they are competent enough to wipe their own asses.

If the U.S. is truly in support of the people of Iran and wants to be aligned with their goals they should try listening to what the people are saying. Not telling them what to do.

please don't let it cloud your thinking. He is not alone. The U.S. government is not alone. Most of the rest of the world except for China (and to a degree Russia) is losing patience with the Iranian government. The world and the U.S are not going to wait forever. I am truly sorry for your hate mail but don't blame it on Bush. Blame it on where things started, the radical Islamists (and people’s ignorance). To blame all this on Bush gets you nowhere. Let’s amend this to say that no one with any power or sense hates the Iranian people.

Of course the Iranian people would not appreciate being bombed, but my question was, how much (or little) would they tolerate?

Also, Iraq is a bad analogy. We began that war with a far different goal than what faces us in Iran. I said before, we have no intent to occupy Iran. Your "bombing for peace" quote is old old mantra (it's been around since Vietnam) and it's not even true.

I said upfront that I wasn’t sure I trusted the C.I.A., but what are we going to do? We can’t move forward if we are frozen by the fear of yesterday. We can only hope that things have changed (and evidence does support this). Your description of Iraq is phrased in the present tense but it comes right out of a year ago. Sure things were bad there and that’s one of the main reasons that I know we won’t try to occupy Iran. That, and the fact that the shear size and difficulty and complexity of Iran is ten fold greater than Iraq.

I couldn't tell if your "strategically bombed their schools, libraries" was meant to be sarcastic or not. Collateral damage in this war was probably the lowest in history although any innocent death or injury is tragic.

Again, EVERYONE would love for Iran to solve this problem on their own (or with covert help from us.) But we also must preserve ourselves and the area.

Which people are saying what things that the rest of the world is not listening or paying attention to? I truly am interested in your perspective on this huge issue.

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decadentlioness...We strategically bombed their schools, libraries, and other resources in the process of bombing the shit out of the supposed threatening areas.."

 You have no clue about the U.S. Military.. There is no way we have strategically bombed any schools , or libraries.
That makes as much sense as when I heard the Chinese were against our Kosovo intrusion and Clinton ordered the bombing of the Chinese Embassy just to show them who is Boss....

 When the libraries have extremists shooting at troops,  that library is a legitimate target..

You can't possibly think I said that straight up??!! I meant to point out that we were only supposed to bomb strategic places in Iraq too, but look what happened! Schools, hospitals, etc were destroyed. The people are suffering and instead of building our own schools and hospitals we are building theirs.

I know that I can sound hateful sometimes, but I don't hate anyone. I passionately disagree with and do not have respect for the decisions that have been made by this administration.

I realize that Bush is not acting alone. He is supported by many as you say. Let us not forget that the rest of the world has watched us and supported us in invading Vietnam,Korea, Afganistan, shall I go on? That didn't make what we did right or successful.

I'm not sure whose ignorance you want to blame this on, but you are right ...this has everything to do with ignorance.

I'm sure you know that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting to get a different result.  The factors that have changed only support not bombing anyone.
We can not solve today's problems with yesterday's methodology and thinking process. We have to approach these issues totally differently. Even define "the problems" differently.

The Iranian people have been silenced. Speaking against the government can and will get you killed or imprisoned. We have a lot to say.  Even when Shirine Ebadi won the Nobel Peace Prize she was silenced.

Instead of paying attention to what Britney Spears is saying, perhaps we could expend even half the amount of resources and energy getting a microphone safely in front of the people who are desperate for a revolution in Iran.

Thank you so very much for wanting to know what I think and for listening to me.  The respect you have shown me is truly heartfelt.

I never used the word hate in describing your opinion. It's obvious you are passionate.

It’s fine to disagree with Bush’s past actions. It’s even logical to distrust his ability to be successful in the future. But since you agree with him on the best outcome for the “Iranian problem” (revolution from within), why work against him in his efforts? Just because he's mentioned military action, does not mean that he has no other cards to play. I could be mistaken but I get the impression that no matter what he did, you'd be opposed.

On a side note, where were you taught or where did you learn that the U.S. invaded Korea (or even Vietnam)? Afghanistan I’ll buy, but not the first two. I think the Koreans that we liberated from the Japanese will take issue with your characterization as well.

My reference to ignorance ended with those who sent you hate mail so I do not understand what you meant by “blame this on”.

I think I understand that you’re a pacifist. I get that, but just because you think that every use of force by the U.S. was wrong, doesn’t make you right.

As far as silencing the Iranian people. . .
I am very surprised that you are as openly vocal as you have been. A good friend of mine at work is an Iranian immigrant. He has many family members back home and he still returns on occasion. But he says very little in a hard hitting way, even in very private one on one conversations.  The difference between your outspokenness and his lack thereof is very stark.

Your last statement is what intrigues me the most. Just how do we get a successful revolution kindled? That is the key. That is what most desire.


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Thank you for recognizing my passion.

You are probably not mistaken in your feeling that no matter what Bush does, I would be opposed. Unless the man suddenly becomes an intelligent innovative creative problem solver, any "card" he may try to play will just be more of the same reflection of downright ignorance, stupidity, and lack of ability to reason. And, if he has other cards to play besides blowing people up, why hasn't he even hinted about that? I work against his efforts because he is an idiot who has the power to cause the end of human existence.

Are you really questioning my credentials? I double majored in political science and social work @ the University of Missouri - Columbia. I also have a J.D.,M.B.A.,M.A. I consider any intrusion upon another country's soil to be an invasion. And please don't tell me that you want to argue that our efforts have been successful anytime we have ever done it - except maybe Korea.  So, no, being a pacifist doesn't make me right. However, the facts do. Pacifists like Ghandi, Nelson Mandella, and Rosa Parks have enjoyed great success from their efforts. I have a hard time finding examples of great success from bombing and shooting.

Yes, I am more outspoken than most Iranian people. Somebody has to be brave. Yes, I risk a lot by being so outspoken. But, I don't see the point of living if I have to live oppressed, in fear, and silenced. I'd rather just get it over with and put a gun to my own head.

As far as starting the revolution....we need a "think tank" made up of expert political and military strategists as well as everyday citizens of Iran. I am not so arrogant to think that I alone have a solution. I have ideas, and a creative problem solving model that I think should be used (developed by NASA over the last 50 years), but no answers for you.

Please accept my deepest appreciation for engaging in this conversation with me.

targets.

About Bush. . .
I do believe that his administration is actively pursuing covert support of Iranian opposition groups.

I won’t attempt to convince a self proclaimed pacifist that violence by one nation against another can have (and has recently had) a necessary, worthy and noble place.  But regarding our recent enumeration of four countries, you have now conceded Korea and while I have conceded that we did indeed invade Afghanistan, the results have (as judged by the majority of the world) been successful and just. Certainly non-violent change is the preferred path in everything, but your statement “please don't tell me that you want to argue that our efforts have been successful anytime we have ever done it”, is clearly a flat assertion that is easily debunked. One need look no further than World War 2.

About questioning your credentials. . .
Since you just now enumerated them, how could I have possibly questioned them? I too have a degree. One in Engineering that taught me the crucial skill of critical thinking. Also, it was awarded long enough ago that is was not adulterated (too badly) by the socialists of today’s collegiate academia. The degree was awarded long enough ago that I have had the opportunity of a long lifetime to live and study history unlike any organized collegiate program could offer.

I don’t intend for the following comment to come across as an insult but your very strong expressions of pride and confidence in the everlasting power and force of the Persian Empire give you a remarkable similarity to the words and attitude of Ahmadinejad. I’m by no means equating you two, just noting the similarity.

But in the end, I sincerely hope and pray that the conclusion to Iran’s troubles results in not one death or injury to anyone. If that ends up to be impossible, then a hope for no loss of innocent life will still be in effect.

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Oh yeah, the Persians really humbled Greece . . . at Marathon, at Salamis, at Plataea . . . .  But then, it's not as if the country they were then invading and seeking to subdue and occupy had any valid claims in its own right to the status of "wellspring of world civilization"!

Sarcasm aside, I wish the Persians all the luck in the world in defending their own sovereignty against lunatic-led rogue states like Baathist Iraq and Bush-Cheney America (aka "Murka"), but let's not go overboard revising ancient history in their favor.

I had such a great time!
xxoo

we rip off your head and shit down your neck.

that's an expression of endearment....lol