North Korea would consider abandoning its nuclear program, and wants to hold talks with the U.S.  

GaG said Trump's negotiating style is to keep the opposition off balance. I've been under the impression negotiating with Trump is like negotiating with Jello. Do you care about the process or the results?  

So, who should get credit for this change?

A. North Korea
B. South Korea
C. China
D. Donald Trump

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/03/06/north-korea-south-korea-meeting/398233002/?hootPostID=9b65b10285e86e4d6dd9c2d91f1cb4c2

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Definitely NOT Trump.  I LOL at Gag’s description of Trump’s negotiating style.  Of course he has no clue of Trump’s negotiating style, because he has never been a party to it and from what we’ve seen is what Trump himself has described as whining and bitching until he gets his way.  That has never worked and over the years has usually resulted in a lawsuit where the lawyers do all the negotiating for him.

President Moon and many before him have been working on some sort of reconcialition on the Korean Peninsula since the two countries became divided in the first place.  This has taken various forms over the years from opening co-economic zones, family visits to the south, co-teaming at the Olympics and other attempts to get the ball rolling in a generally positive manner.  In the South, the traditional view is that the North is like a petulant child.  They do something bad, sanctions are placed, they negotiate for a lifting of the sanctions by correcting bad behavior.  This has generally been a bad idea because it in essence rewards bad behavior, but that is the dynamic that is now entrenched.  There is nothing more than that in this new overture.  

Trump stupidly imposed greater sanctions on the North during the Olympics, which simply reinforced that dynamic, instead of promoting an environment of working together for a solution.  China is of course there to help and understands the situation all too well.  But Trump is as usual a total ignoramus and is not helping things at all.  His interference and sabre rattling is wholly counter-productive.

Kim needs to do something, because his people are cold and starving.  When he says he wants a guarantee of security, what he means is that is that he will stay in power.  If de-nuking (or at least appearing willing to talk about it) is the only way to do that, then so be it.

All the above. I believe no one single player will bring the North Koreans to the negotiation table. A pincer move by several players, including Russia, need to be in play. If one player removes pressure, everything falls through. If they keep the pressure on, Un will negotiate for survival purposes. Trump, increasing sanctions, deserves some credit. And, China doesn't seem to be undercutting us much in maintaining them. The South Koreans, with allowing the North to participate in the Winter Olympics, deserve some credit. A wild card, in all of this, is Russia. If Putin helps NK get around much of the sanctions, that could release the pressure, on Un, to negotiate. I don't think Trump, in his twitter attacks on Un deserve much, if any, credit.

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I wonder how many of the snowflakes are hoping this fails so they won't be forced to give Trump credit for succeeding where not just Obama, but Bush and Clinton before him failed?

 
Trumps negotiating style is also why I was willing to wait a few days before jumping on  "A trade war is coming, sell EVERYTHING!!!" bandwagon that the stupid people were all calling for. As predicted, it looks like this was just an opening gambit and that what actually gets signed into law is going to be a LOT less draconian than what the fear mongers having been telling us to expect.

 
As for the "process", yes it can be a bumpy ride at times,  but contrary to what the snowflakes and the MSM keep telling us, Trump has gotten quite a bit done in his first year plus in office. Tens of thousands of pages of Obama era, economy killing regulations have been torn up, Tax reform got passed, ObamaCare has been dealt a fatal blow, and if Trump actually solves the North Korea problem (let's not celebrate just yet though) no one is going to care about what an unlikeable person he his.

North and South Korea torn down it's borders, then they became "China's" allies...That would be something to see. We're were close to seeing South Korea get nuked on so ...ya never know.

A willingness to talk? BFD.

 
Didn't we see that play out in the Iranian deal? How did that work out? We got clubbed until the Iranians got EXACTLY what they wanted out of the feckless one; their economy was flushed with $150bn dollars, NO unfettered access, NO dismantling of the program, NO visits to certain sites and 24 day notice for others, all the while guaranteeing Iran gets the bomb in a decade or so with advanced Chinese and Russian air defense capabilities to boot. Ugh.

 
Now of course Trump wont get rolled like Bams did but the point is the devil is in the details. This "change" you speak of means nothing to me, only results matter.  

 
When and if NK gives up their nuke program, and is NOT the debacle the Iranian deal is, THEN the answer would be "D" as he is the only new element to the mix.

and THEIR biggest fear is that North and South Korea tear down their borders and become US allies, The last thing they want is that much US influence so close to their borders.

 
China is vital to this process, but everyone needs to keep in mind that China is going to be looking out for THEIR interests not ours, but of course all out war is no more in their interests that it is in ours.

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But if this was to ever happened, I believe that the Koreas will be more China's ally then our. We'll be cordial but what may have happened with SK and how our political climates is now, and what will be in the future..I tend to think to that they'll lean more towards China...just my humorous opinion. Being our ally now is like asking yourself, "Gee do I have to?"

To the lefties.

As of now they are talking about talking therefore…according to the left …..
 If the talks never occur it is Trumps fault

If the talks occur it is to the credit of everyone but Trump, then if the talks break down or are unsuccessful it will be Trumps fault.

If the talks occur and there is some success it will be to the credit of all but Trump.

 
While the above is not a direct “quote” from ltm, brokebackboy and the other far left on here but  that is the gist of it

Still, we do have treaties with SK and about 35K troops there.  But personally, I wouldn't care much if a re-united Korea was oriented somewhat toward China.  It would be a small price to pay to defang the Kim regime.  And Kim would require some guarantees from China.

It was masterful negotiating by our team. First of all we did not pay a single penny to Iran.  It was their money that we froze, actually illegally.  Iran was claiming it at the World Bank and was suing us in The Hague and we were going to lose.  

Instead, we gained unfettered access to inspect Iran’s nuclear facilities and simply gave them back their own money and zero of our own.  

Had we not done this, we would have lost The Hague suit, paid a billion dollars in interest and damages and not have any access to their nuke program at all.

That’s a solid win.  Anybody who says otherwise is either an idiot or lying racist idiot.

As far as Trump having anything to do with the peace process on the Korean Penninsula, the entire rest of the world agrees that so far, he has been more hinderance than help.   We will see, but you can bet it will not be Trump actually negotiating any deals.  The adults will let him get his picture taken and that’s about it.  

As far as alignments, South Korea will always be closer to the United States than any other country.  We are a major part of its history.  We have saved Korea twice.  We basically restored its entire 4000 year cultural history when we defeated the Japanese and they won’t ever forget that.  It’s very first First Lady after the Korean War was an American and is still beloved by Koreans today.

As far as how South Koreans think about Trump himself it’s no secret they think he’s a complete idiot and a huge joke.  I was literally in the middle of nowhere in SK last year and the local market had kids socks that were a cartoon of Trump talking bullshit. They are hanging on my refrigerator now.

Because I pretty much agree with you. Let's face it, as an "ally" South Korea already leaves a lot to be desired, a united Korea would most likely be a lot more stable than having both sides pointing guns at each other, it would save billions of dollars for us and the tensions in the region would be sure to subside.

 
I do wonder how it would affect the comings and goings of the K-Girls however. Who knows? maybe it would double the supply if we started getting a bunch of NK-Girls who would fuck for peanuts. lol

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but what he always leaves out is the acknowledgement that Iran would have the bomb now – if they wanted one – but for the Iran agreement, and that there is no basis to believe that a better deal could have been negotiated given the rapidly closing breakout time the Obama team faced.

 
But sure  it would have been great to get every single thing he mentioned.

From what I remember, and since then I haven't given a rats ass to this deal. But at that time there were heavy sanction on Iran. It was pushed by us along with the UK, Russia, France, China, and Germany. They went along with it but to them, it was our fight with them. Then the other countries thought we were full of shit and they wanted to pull out of the sanctions against Iran.  So that's when we negotiated the deal, before the other countries bailed on it. It was the best deal at that time or we would have got or we would have been the only ones to continue the sanction.The other countries wanted to work and deal with the Iranians....That's what I recall but I really didn't pay that much attention to it.

Yep! Imposing those sanctions upon Iran was the most unified effort, by those countries, I can recall, in a very long time. There was no better deal to be had.

You are really becoming TSTTT. Giving the largest state sponsor of terrorism in the world $150bn is "masterful negotiating?" I would hate to see what you would have thought was horrific negotiating then! LMAO

 
And ask Mari. We did NOT get "unfettered access" to their nuke program. We have to go through a 24 day process to see the suspected sites.

 
THAT was the second biggest problem with the deal. Kerry and Moniz promised it would be in the final draft and ODummy yanked it out at the last minute. That is the difference between someone who wants to get ANY deal and NOT a GOOD one.  

 
Dude you really don't know shit about the deal so please stop embarrassing yourself.

than SK girls. I hope this all works out.

The alternative was unthinkable at the time.  Iran had only a two to three breakout time before it could assemble a bomb.  We effectively stopped Iran from doing so for 15 years.  Do you think after 15 years those efforts will just go away?  Of course not.  Depending on the world situation at the time deals will be made then.  Thats how the real adult world works.

You guys have argued about the 24 day rule that allows IEAE inspectors to inspect any suspicious site.  That has some teeth to it.  If Iran refuses it faces reimposition of the economy crippling sanctions.  And for those of you that think Iran could somehow dismantle and hide a weapons grade U235 capable reactor in 24 days know dangerously nothing about nuclear energy.  If they tried to do that it would absolutely result in either China Syndrome or outright detonation.

150billion that we basically stole from Iran in the first place.  The World Court was squarely against us.  We had to give it back or default on a World Court judgment at a time when the United States government was still run by ethical men dedicated to the rule of law.  I'm afraid my dear friend that you are the one being really stupid on this issue.

Now that President Shithole is in, The World has its very strong doubts about America and fully expect us to try and rip it off.  This is simply NOT HOW ITS DONE.  What you people don't see or even understand is that the writing is on the wall.  .  Tick Tock.