This could be interesting. Most companies I never really heard of except FedEx and Enterprise.  
“Customer feedback has caused us to review our relationship with the NRA", from the First National Bank of Omaha..could this be the push back that will result in some sort of reform?

...when advertisers withdrew their ads from Fox because of things O'Reilly or Hannity said, their were other sponsors eager to take their place.  We'll have to wait and see what happens to the NRA's business partners.  Maybe other greedy banksters will want to team with the NRA and offer an "official" NRA credit card.  Or some other avaricious auto rental company will want to be the "official" car rental agency of the NRA.  Never underestimate corporate greed - if a company thinks it will gain more business than it will lose by being associated with the NRA, they'll do it in a New York minute.

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libs think their might be a "tipping point"

If there was no "tipping point" after Sandy Hook and none after Las Vegas, why would anyone think there'd be a "tipping point" now?
Here's what I predict: even if we get some half-assed legislation now, when the next mass shooting happens -- and it will --you and the rest of the righty crowd will bellow that gun legislation is pointless and will never work.
You might even be right about that, too.

..know how to properly reply to a post.  Now go back to playing your banjo:

So everybody knows that and the reaction is different this time around, for two main.

Oh, I'm sorry...they discontinued their discounts for NRA members also. And when you get to where you're going, rent a car from Avis, then stay at a Best Western Hotel...have a nice trip.

And please do boycott Delta. I'm sure they can take it. You think Delta's position is not about kids? What is it you think the NRA is about? Protecting kids? Protecting anyone?  

Do you seriously believe that ONLY "angry white guys" belong to the NRA. I am neither white, nor angry, and my 80 year old mother is neither white, angry, or a guy, and we are BOTH proud NRA members.  

Then again, when 63% of the mass shootings in the US have been perpetrated by angry white guys, I'd say there might be a problem.

I hate to bring up the abortion issue again, but there are a LOT of similarities to the debate. How do you honestly feel when some right wing group proposes "common sense restrictions" on abortion rights, let's say something that most of us can get behind like "partial birth" very late term abortions where the fetus is actually viable?

The people who are pro life simply want abortion to be illegal. Period. There is no middle ground. NO discussion. No compromise that would make satisfy them. They're actually a lot like the 2nd amendment crown in this regard. And this has nothing at all to do with the ability of any woman who chooses to terminate a pregnancy being able to cause any actual harm to THEM, or their children or their family. It’s a personal decision made by one person.  

What are the odds that the 2nd amendment will be removed? A new amendment to repeal would have to pass the House and Senate with a 2/3 vote. Then 38 out of 50 state legislators would have to vote to approve the amendment to repeal!

Make me wonder what kind of corrupt shithole  country we live in where lobbyist like the NRA control our democracy - yet we point finger to other countries and call them names when we are the same thing just doing  it in a finer well decorated  disguised subtle way.

Totally agree. All you said here is  just basic common sense - don't need a Phd. , just logical and critical thinking ,something these trumptards don't have.This should not even be a loyalist political issue.

What are the odds that abortion is going to be made illegal? I'd say the odds are about the same as the 2nd Amendment being repealed, but that doesn't mean that the "right to lifers" aren't going to try, and someone needs to "push back"  

have said they want to make all guns illegal, somehow, means that EVERYBODY who is asking for some common sense gun control is trying to take away your guns? Or overturn the 2nd amendment? Bullshit. That's a dumb as saying that everyone who agrees with having restrictions on late term abortions (restrictions which do exist, BTW) wants abortion to be completely illegal. I'm lying? GFY.  
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"The people who are pro life simply want abortion to be illegal. Period. There is no middle ground. NO discussion. No compromise that would make satisfy them"

That's right. The people who are pro life simply want abortion to be illegal. Period. They are not looking for compromise.  

And why is it a one way street with you? Certainly you are smart enough to know that 6% of our population (black males) cause approx 50% of all gun murders. Is that a stat you want to dwell on? Funny how the Leftist media doesn't have Town Halls and wall to wall, day after day coverage to dwell on THAT fact. Actually its not funny, it is fucking TRAGIC.

"What are the odds that abortion is going to be made illegal? I'd say the odds are about the same as the 2nd Amendment being repealed, but that doesn't mean that the 'right to lifers' aren't going to try, and someone needs to 'push back'"  

I have a uterus of my very own---which, I'm guessing, is the reason Jack-n-Gag can't stop bringing up abortion to defend their position on guns. I do seem to be the only luck recipient of this diversion tactic. And way to go in proving my point smartie. NO compromise can be had. Period. Never. Nope. No way. Yep...got it.

By your estimation there is absolutely nothing that can, or should, be done about the proliferation of guns in the US. But this. But that....I know.  And nobody is 'playing a race card'. The majority of mass shootings are perpetrated by white guys. That's a fact.  
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And you can keep 'splainin' to me why selling assault rifles to civilians is a perfectly normal thing for a society to do. And, I (along with millions of other Americans---including many gun owners) will still disagree.

"Hand guns, as GaG has explained, are MUCH easier to handle in close quarters shooting so the shooter would just load up with 4 or 5 hand guns."

You are one of the many lefties arguing for "common sense" gun laws when what you really want is ALL guns confiscated.

You felt compelled to add in "angry" white men to boot AND you felt the need to bring in race TWICE.  

were the majority of people shooting up schools and malls and movie theaters and concert venues-- you bet your ass I would I would say angry black guys. If it was women, I'd say women. If it was hispanic guys......Not about race, Jack. When it comes to mass shootings, it's a factual description.

SWAT doesn't know what it will find when it enters a building plus their training makes them the best of the best. In addition to that, they may go in with two dozen men!

Fuck, I was supposed to be out on the golf course instead of being inside watching it, but here I am so I will at least TRY to explain this to you.

and you assume all guns? I'll let BM speak for himself. But, what I read there was a reference to assault rifles. And again...2-3 people on this board are not representative of the majority of advocates for sensible gun control. All you have to do is actually READ what people are asking for.  
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Trust me----HEAR ME-----PLEASE---we DO_NOT_WANT_TO_TAKE_ALL_YOUR_GUNS_AWAY. This slippery slope nonsense was the same approach opponents took to marriage equality. Well....err....if we let gay people get married, what's next? Marrying GOATS?! Legalizing pedophilia?!!!!
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 Jiminy 'effin xmas.....

since the assault weapon ban expired.

or, just trying to confuse the issue. My point, which I thought was very clear, and was not in reference to the shooter was, if pistols are more effective in close quarters, why don't the SWAT teams, predominately use pistols vs. Assault weapons? I'm speaking to you and GaG, so as not to waste time. Yes, I have had the basic military training in weapons, and I shot competitively in the service. Along with that, I've worked with several members of SWAT teams in the LA area, so you need not talk down to me. Even shooting an Assault rifle, or and AR-15 from the hip can be very effective; perhaps as effective as shooting a pistol from a ready position, and there is little given up due to tight quarters. So, if you failed to get my point, if SWAT teams believed they were being handicapped by using Assault weapons, even in close quarters, they would not be using them.

You would be really fucking wrong to assume I've never held a gun. As I've said before, I learned how to shoot a gun at an early age. I was raised around guns. I've shot many different types of guns. I happen to be an excellent shot, too...BTW...as if any of that fucking matters.  

Because then you would agree me that the biggest threat to an African-American, of any gender, comes from an "angry black male" and not as the lib media would have us believe that the bigger problem is rogue, white cops out to murder them.

damn jack. Is it even possible for you to stick to one subject?

Why don't you address my Va Tech shooter issue and the carnage he brought vs. the Parkland shooter that no one else can counter. Clearly the issue is NOT the AR-15.

Hmmm! Perhaps you're willing to face the parents of those 17 children murdered by a gun "that LOOKS scary"!  

Do you REALLY think that SWAT goes into a known close quarter situation with the same weapons that Cruz used?

The AR-15, and other weapons like it, were NOT designed to fight in close quarters at point blank range. They were designed for distance shooting as they are much more accurate in that scenario. An AR-15 is too big and too unwieldy to use in very close quarters when compared to a hand gun.

And for lying when you said "you bet your ass I would I would say angry black guys."

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!

hey jack...we're not talking about an issue for which "blacks are clearly the main problem..." whatever that might be. When black guys regularly start going on mass shooting sprees, I'll point to angry black men, ok?

have perpetrated the majority of mass shootings in the US (which is true) makes me a racist? And I can't bring myself to say what words? You're really reaching here....

It's hard for Trump supporters, to undertand real facts.
Also hear the truth about some of their fellow members.

I walked her right into that one. She either had to agree with me or lie about the truth. She chose to lie. You know when FG has to come to your defense you are fucked on the race issue. lmao

I know you tried to obfuscate the fact that your link was from TWENTY TWO  years ago, but things have changed a lot since then.

So what are you talking about now?

-I say angry white guys do most mass shootings….which is true.  
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-You say how DARE I say “angry white guys”!!!!!….you claim that I would NEVER  say “angry black guys..”
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-To which I reply: sure I would, if black guys were doing the shooting
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"The reason SWAT uses primarily semi-automatic rifles is they DON'T know what they find when they enter a building and cant take the risk of being outgunned."

Length of M4=39.625 inches, AR-15=approx. 39.625 inches.

m4 = 33 in stock extended ans 29.75 in stock retracted as per link.

Take a trip to Chicago or Baltimore.  

Did you say you're a self-hating black man?

Jack! We're not talking about hands here. By diverting the issue to what is the "biggest threat" you are appearing to ignore the other threats. Is what you perceive as "the biggest threat" the only one to be considered, and efforts directed to remedy?

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SWAT teams carry a variety of weapons and use what is best for the situation at hand. Not all members carry the same weapon based solely these issues. That's where the "T" comes into play...TACTICS.  

Why would anyone fuck with you, let alone fuck you.
She's a female for god sake and I don't think she pulls tricks...You really need to think about a name change. And this is just my opinion, I don't think you're actually a hooker, maybe some dude pretending to be one. I just don't feel hooker in you.

I am suspicious of him too.I think he is either  an undercover hermaphrodite working for someone,or he gets his regular kicks from TER reviews,because he 's got none of his own - just pure talk. We need TER to  check him out.

SWAT is not limited to "semi-automatic" rifles, unlike the AR-15 used by Cruz, the M-4s commonly used in close quarter situations by SWAT are not semi-automatic, but are fully automatic with at the users discretion.  

I am well aware they have, and use, fully automatic weapons as I have friends in SWAT.  I was replying to Matts issue of pistols vs. the semi-automatic AR-15.

Since many on the right are being paid off from the NRA.
It makes a lot of sense, why they blocked any gun laws.

WOW....17 children? Really? Name those children.  Again you failed miserably in this thread. There were 14 CHILDREN and 3 School Administrators. Funny how you pathetic dumbass dems can't count......or read.

Posted By: mattradd

Re: guns that LOOK scary?
Hmmm! Perhaps you're willing to face the parents of those 17 children murdered by a gun "that LOOKS scary"!  

Obama can't even help solve the problem in his adopted home city of SHITHOLE Chicago. Multiple murders everyday. No BLM, No NAACP and definitely no pussy ass Obama.  

It's three branches of government and the Congress refused to pass any new gun laws.
We know why, most of them take large donations from the NRA.
So Obama was dealing with a do nothing Congress too!

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One thing Obama was good at, selling guns and helping with gun shows. The Nation's Gun Show went from two events a year to six at one point under his presidency. You want an "Obama Best Gun Salesman Evwe" shirt, there are plenty out there.

giving Obama the credit for increased gun sales. You see, the real reason for the increase in gun sale was due to the NRA lying about Obama want to take their Second Amendment rights, and a bunch of bozos believing them. Yep, the NRA is quite proficient in stampeding the herd. Like a herd of buffalo.

It's never Obama's fault. Russian meddling was taking place in 2014 and he did nothing....but it wasn't his fault that nothing was done.

Posted By: mattradd

Re: I'm quite centain the NRA will not be happy with you...
giving Obama the credit for increased gun sales. You see, the real reason for the increase in gun sale was due to the NRA lying about Obama want to take their Second Amendment rights, and a bunch of bozos believing them. Yep, the NRA is quite proficient in stampeding the herd. Like a herd of buffalo.

The only thing that might have been overstated a bit was his ability to do so, but without organizations like the NRA, made up of millions of law abiding gun owners, who knows just how many of our 2nd Amendment rights would have been trampled over by Obama and the rest of the anti-gunners.  

The things that would have deeply upset people in Georgia.