Are we fighting a war on Terror or aren't we?

Was it or was it not started by Islamic people who brought it to our shores on September 11, 2001?

Were people from all over the world, mostly Americans, not brutally murdered that day, in downtown Manhattan , across the  Potomac from our nation's capitol and in a field in Pennsylvania State?

Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible, burning and crushing death that day, or didn't they?

And I'm supposed to care that a copy of the Koran was "desecrated" when
an overworked American soldier kicked it or got it wet?...Well, I don't.
I don't care at all.

I'll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in and repents for incinerating all those innocent people on 9/11.

I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start caring about the Holy Bible, the mere possession of which is a crime in Saudi Arabia.

I'll care when these thugs tell the world they are sorry for hacking off Nick Berg's head while Berg screamed through his gurgling slashed throat.

I'll care when the cowardly so-called "insurgents" in Iraq come out and fight like men instead of disrespecting their own religion by hiding in mosques.

I'll care when the mindless zealots who blow themselves up in search of nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their suicide bombs.

I'll care when the American media stops pretending that their First Amendment liberties are somehow derived from international law instead
of the United States Constitution's Bill of Rights.

In the meantime, when I hear a story about a brave marine roughing up an Iraqi terrorist to obtain information, know this: I don't care.

When I see a fuzzy photo of a pile of naked Iraqi prisoners who have been humiliated in what amounts to a college-hazing incident, rest assured: I don't care.

When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told not to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the bank: I don't care.

When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat, and fed "special" food that is paid for by my tax dollars, is complaining that his holy book is being "mishandled," you can absolutely believe in your heart of hearts: I don't care.

And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes it's spelled "Koran" and other times "Quran." Well, Jimmy Crack Corn and –you guessed it -I don't care !  !  !  !  !

If you agree with this viewpoint, pass this on to all your e-mail friends.  Sooner or later, it'll get to the people responsible for
this ridiculous behavior!

If you don't agree, then by all means hit the delete button. Should you choose the latter, then please don't complain when more atrocities committed by radical Muslims happen here in our great country!

And may I add a quote:  "Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world.  But, the Marines don't have that problem."
Ronald Reagan

I have another quote that I would like to add and.......I hope you  forward all this. "If we ever forget that we're One Nation Under God,  then we will be a nation gone under.     also by... Ronald Reagan

One last thought for the day:
In case we find ourselves starting to believe all the anti-American sentiment and negativity, we should remember England 's Prime Minister Tony Blair's words during a recent interview.  When asked by one of
his Parliament members why he believes so much in America, he said:
"A simple way to take measure of a country is to look at how many want in, and how many want out."

they are blind to the damage they do when they undermine Bush with their childish, hyperbolic, pantswetting rants.

It is their height of arrogance that they think that they can somehow surgically piss their venom and not have it hit the rest of us.

As much as Bush's illfounded policies and bungling has done it's part to damage us abroad, the Murtha-crat traitors have undenyably exacerbated it.

The current debate about Armenian genocide is but the latest installment of it.......

Fuck these guys, I'll draw no quarter.

Murtha was opposing the Armenian resolution, wasn't he?

You should be grateful that the Democrats have proved they're half as crazy as the Republicans.

I guess I missed that declaration of war.

BTW, where is this place Terror?

we declared war on Iraq.  We outed Valerie Plame.  I was trying to get a BJ, and she wouldn't put out.  So we were trying to bugger those guys in Abu Ghraib instead, but that little England girl blew the whistle on us.  Oh yes, we told Blackwater to shoot anybody they wanted to, and KBR to send the biggest bills they could imagine straight to the Pentagon.

We thought we could get away with it, but you're just too quick for us.

Better switch to Pepsi. The cool aid has gone to your head.

And, you won't care even if all those things happen.  Even if they did you will never take a minute to understand this situation beyond a cursory examination of that culture and what you've been told by someone else.  After all, you're a white american, so who cares, right?

The US is the greatest country in the world, end of story, it doesn't mean we're infallible.

You know what else, that Timothy McVeigh dude was white.  We should start a war on terror against whites too!  Burn all the white Christians down!!!  Piss on their bibles, and drink their blood!!!

Religion sucks, it makes people crazy.

The Islamofascist's have one thing in mind. Kill us all and destroy our way of life. America will not come to grips with this until Iran supplies them with a nuke and a way to kill 200,000 of us in one strike. Even when this happens you will still blame us for causing the destruction.
It is just plain stupid to bring what Timmy did into this conversation. There is nothing relevant about Timmy. Timmy is dead, not hiding in a cave in some mountain sending us stupid videos from time to time.

It's not like instead of fighting a war on terror Bush diverted tons of money and troops to a phony war on terror, or was it war to deliver democracy, or war for oil in Iraq?  Hey, at least we have a 600 Million dollar embassy there now!


Yup, the Democrats know that the terrorits fuel for hatred is their own criticism of Bush.  Without that, terrorism would wilt under the overwhelming support of our President.   They're out there right now reading Newsweek and seeing that liberals are upset about the Koran and they are even more mad now!  They want to destory the US because liberals do not think it's okay to destroy the Koran!

F*cking liberals!!!!!!!!!

I'm with you on this one!!!

Support the President at all costs.  Do not undermine him!!

who are the Islamofascists?   You know, names, addresses, at least a fucking country, enough to aim at, you know?

Because if you don't have a target, I suggest you just sit down and have a drink or 6, and cool off.

Ranting does not help your aim, nor mine.  So STFU, OK?

they would give a f*ck about the US if we weren't so heavily involved in Middle East politics?  They may not like us, or our way of life, but that's not what this is about.  They are not attacking democracy, or our style of gov't.  The Middle East is so religiously divided, and so complex socially, that anyone posting on this board that thinks they have a comprehenisve understanding of what's going on is out of their mind.

If we never stepped foot in the Middle East they would be warring with each other eternally.  There is just too much fanatacism.  We're seen as meddlers though and we inserted ourselves into their conflicts.  Understandably so in many cases.  God knows what the region would look like without us, maybe better, but probably worse.  (Except for Iraq IMO)

It's difficult not to.  You can't really question all of our choices in hindsight.  However, when you step foot into something like this there is going to be consequences, and just stating that Islam is to blame is ridiculous.  Fanaticism is to blame, and how do you stop that?  We're the best recruiting tool groups like Al Quaeda could ever have hoped for.  Now they're fighting for something bigger, and that's an attractive ad campaign.

not until they pay for the embassy.

tell everyone in the ME our marines are "occupiers" and we're running around murdering people just so geo bush can get his jollys

murtha-crats need to get their heads out of their ass

Okay, Here are some for you. Another great day for the Talliban Generals. Would you like to blame this on us as well? Better yet lets get specific and see if we can somehow get the NYT's to blame George directly with another convoluted lie.

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How many "terrorists" that he mentions were really terrorists? Within all those I-don't-cares is a lot of collateral damage and innocent death. (I know, a lot of innocent people died on 9/11). We shouldn't get addicted to it then. The easiest way to kill terrorists is to kill everyone else, too.

For policy, then, you shouldn't be quoting Ronald Reagan. Quote General Sherman and give Iraq the hell of total War. Undeclared total war. Stop being squeamish and make the world regard us as evil empire: maybe at best, Napolean's France, at worse, King Leopold of Belgium.

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I think Republicans are going to do that a lot-- to gain power.

Congress had the complete and total right to come out with the Armenian Genocide Resolution. Remember, they also have the power to declare war? They never did that.  

How do you see that this is treason? Are we supposed to follow an idiot into the abyss? No, I don't think rallying around the President if patriotic. I don't like the idea of supporting our troops while they wait in a hell hole not to win, but till they have something to win.

they just lack the brains to see how their wetbedding and fiddle fucking is costing lives too.

...no.

While it would be easy to say that the war in Iraq is justified... plain old truth is - it is not.  We need a foreign policy that is better than the one we have had post cold-war.  Sad to say, most of our military planning, and foreign policy seems to be aimed at a world that existed in 1956 or so... and not 2007.

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The brave recruiter, Capt. Richard Lund, who has to put up with this unhinged abuse, wrote an open letter to Berkeley:

While the protest that you staged in front of my office on Wednesday, Sept. 26th, was an exercise of your constitutional rights, the messages that you left behind were insulting, untrue, and ultimately misdirected. Additionally, from the comments quoted in the Berkeley Daily Planet article, it is clear that you have no idea what it is that I do here. Given that I was unaware of your planned protest, I was unable to contest your claims in person, so I will therefore address them here.

First, a little bit about who I am: I am a Marine captain with over eight years of service as a commissioned officer. I flew transport helicopters for most of my time in the Marine Corps before requesting orders to come here. Currently, I am the officer selection officer for the northern Bay Area. My job is to recruit, interview, screen, and evaluate college students and college graduates that show an interest in becoming officers in the Marine Corps. Once they’ve committed to pursuing this program, I help them apply, and if selected, I help them prepare for the rigors of Officer Candidate School and for the challenges of life as a Marine officer. To be eligible for my programs, you have to be either a full-time college student or a college graduate. I don’t pull anyone out of school, and high school students are not eligible.

I moved my office to Berkeley in December of last year. Previously, it was located in an old federal building in Alameda. That building was due to be torn down and I had to find a new location. I choose our new site because of its proximity to UC Berkeley and to the BART station. Most of the candidates in my program either go to Cal or to one of the schools in San Francisco, the East Bay, or the North Bay. Logistically, the Shattuck Square location was the most convenient for them.

Next, you claim that I lie. I have never, and will never, lie to any individual that shows an interest in my programs. I am upfront with everything that is involved at every step of the way and I go out of my way to ensure that they know what to expect when they apply. I tell them that this is not an easy path. I tell them that leading Marines requires a great deal of self-sacrifice. I tell them that, should they succeed in their quest to become a Marine officer, they will almost certainly go to Iraq. In the future, if you plan to attack my integrity, please have the courtesy to explain to me specifically the instances in which you think that I lied.

Next, scrawled across the doorway to my office, you wrote, “Recruiters are Traitors.” Please explain this one. How exactly am I a traitor? Was I a traitor when I joined the Marine Corps all those years ago? Is every Marine, therefore, a traitor? Was I a traitor during my two stints in Iraq? Was I a traitor when I was delivering humanitarian aid to the victims of the tsunami in Sumatra? Or do you only consider me a traitor while I am on this job? The fact is, recruitment is and always has been a part of maintaining any military organization. In fact, recruitment is a necessity of any large organization. Large corporations have employees that recruit full-time. Even you, I’m sure, must expend some effort to recruit for Code Pink. So what, exactly, is it that makes me a traitor?

The fact is this: any independent nation must maintain a military (or be allied with those who do) to ensure the safety and security of its citizens. Regardless of what your opinions are of the current administration or the current conflict in Iraq, the U.S. military will be needed again in the future. If your counter-recruitment efforts are ultimately successful, who will defend us if we are directly attacked again as we were at Pearl Harbor? Who would respond if a future terrorist attack targets the Golden Gate Bridge, the BART system, or the UC Berkeley clock tower? And, to address the most hypocritical stance that your organization takes on its website, where would the peace keeping force come from that you advocate sending to Darfur?

or somebody like GW Bush who would bag out on his duty or his people.

The courage of Marines deserves equal brains and devotion in their leaders.  The FUCKING Republicons have bilged them and every other patriotic American, chasing profits instead of Osama.

you step up for murtha-crats, you equate yourself..

and doubtless on behalf of our draft-dodging scumbucket AWOL President,

Go fuck yourself.

Hard to fight a war against a military tactic, but...

Yes, my brother just got back from Afghanistan, where we won the war on a bunch of terrorist and the crew that was truly responsible for 9/11. A bunch of people who hate our political manipulations of the mid-east since 1945-ish.

Hopefully we can help rebuild that country again.

We are distracted by this Iraq thing though, which has nothing at all, what-so-ever to do with the war on the terrorists of the world that targeted and bombed the USA. It does give folks who hate Americans a convenient place to shoot at us though.

I care little about the Koran, Bible, Vedas, Dianets, or the Book of Mormon, etc.

I *do* care when our soldiers are unprofessional, and do heartless things. Why? Because we are (in theory) better than they are. I was a soldier for many years. Abu Ghraib, etc. are a disgrace. Every soldier that I know were embarassed by what happened there. Disgraceful. We *are* the good guys, right? If we aren't, what's the point?

One nation under God? Somehow we made it all the way to 1954 without uttering those words in the pledge (a nationalistic pledge written by a socialist ironically). This country was founded on secular enlightenment ideals. If we lose that, we lose it all. If you want to live in Iran, move there.

America is a great place, and I will fight to keep it that way. First thing we need to do is elect someone who believes that we should be the freest country on the planet. Let's start by reestablishing Habeus Corpus (suspension of which was a traitorous act IMHO). We have a lot of damage to fix.

...so odd to be writing about this stuff on this website...

Calling the man a traitor is ridiculous.  Citing the worst and then extrapolating from that that all libs feel that way is just as ridiculous.

Some Conservatives should take a lesson from this man.  His reply is well thought out and rational.  He says he respects their right to freedom of speech, and doesn't resort to name calling.  Offers his own stance on the issue.  Very impressive.

Here is another Islamo for one.

that would save money...

we are all about the ridiculous here. all priests screw small boys, reducing proposed increases are cuts, closing the borders means we hate messicans.....
it's how we've decided to proceeed.

Wow, how much Kool Aid have you had today?

the Phil govt did!  Very good!

Now, all you need to do is, tell us who it is, so we can go get them.

If they're in Iraq, we've got it made.  If not, we need some clues.  Do you have any?

Because if you don't, then we can always just start beating the truth out of the 1st person we run into  on the street.

I concede.

Don't all priests screw small boys?  Huh, I thought that one was fact.

who did this and why, and where and how we can find them?

Because the best you are doing here is that it's a bunch of bearded men.  So let's go kill all the bearded men in the world.

You first, blowhard.

Here are somemore for you.