1- this is probably what it will take to restrict AR-15’s etc. from mentally ill people:  wealthy Repub donors withholding donations unless/until we get serious about gun control:

What law would you want passed that would have stopped this shooting?

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Oh, right.  Thoughts and prayers.  And donations to the NRA.

Here is an idea.  Background checks all weapons purchases, at least a one month duration for the check to take place.  Mandatory interviews with those who interact with the individual - in this case neighbors, schoolmates, school officials.  how many of them do you think would have supported this guy getting a gun?

And, lets just go ahead and extend that law to anyone/everyone? Who the fuck needs (or even wants) an AR15? And why? It’s not for hunting. It’s not for target practice. It’s not for protecting yourself on your property, or running coyotes away from your livestock. “Modern Sporting Rifle”, my ass. The only damned thing an AR15 is good for is killing a lot of people quickly.  
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Would a law like that stop crazy people from being crazy? Or stop crazy people from randomly shooting people with a handgun or a rifle? No it wouldn’t. But it would sure as hell slow them down a little. Instead of nutcases succeeding in shooting 35 people, 50 people, 500! people at a time, maybe they only get half, or a quarter of those people. The kid in florida managed to shoot 35 and kill 17, in MINUTES.  

Jake, and most libs, are into "feel good" politics. The facts really don't matter as they are emotion based on this issue and not logic based.

...assult rifles if it is no longer legal for the public to own them. And to answer the question of why would anyone want to own an assult rifle ? it's because they CAN & the most moronic interpration of the 2nd amendment tells them it is their RIGHT, & these fearfull idiots would rather see more dead than give up that Right !

But you need to be 21 to purchase a hand gun. Gotta ask yourself why??..By the way, I don't think JD will respond..
But something like this would be a good start for some reform..but I doubt that anything will be done.

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Why would you two tools assume just because I chose not to waste my time listing the many things I'd like to see done that I don't have a list? I just won't waste my time posting it here in response to Duncey's content-free diversion.
Also, your belated examples are only of those things that did not work.  Which is no reason not to learn from experience and make some changes as we go.
But thanks for finally letting yourself be prodded into actually discussing the issue with some content, instead of your vapid first post.

That's what makes them felons plants.

And, the Republicans are not doing the same thing? "Happiness Is A Warm Gun"

Reducing the body count by legislation is pure bull shit. Place armed guards at those schools, THEN we are talking about reduced body counts, and that's IF a nut isn't totally dissuaded by the fact that the school is armed to begin with.

and movie theater, and sports stadium, and concert venue, and bus, and train, college campus, and…..and….and….and….
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Good grief jack. We have laws making it illegal to drive without a seatbelt, or over the legal speed limit. That certainly does not prevent ALL traffic related deaths. It’s illegal to have open fires or shoot-off fireworks in most (if not all) urban areas. That doesn’t stop idiots from accidentally burning down their own (or their neighbors) houses. It’s illegal to get behind the wheel of a car when you’re hammered. That has not stopped people from driving drunk. So…if none of these laws has completely eliminated the problem, why bother?
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When it’s easier to buy a semi-automatic weapon than it is to get a drivers license, or we can keep (most) kids from drinking in bars, or get (most) people to wear a seatbelt or not speed through school zones, I’d say we have some agency when it comes to doing something about this ridiculously easy access to weapons.  
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As far as I’m concerned, there has to be a line drawn somewhere, and the US is way past that line. And, at this point, fuck your 2nd amendment “rights”. Since you want to read the 2nd literally, you can have all of the single shot muskets you want. Nobody is even talking about limiting rifle or handgun ownership. And one of those things is plenty good enough to “protect yourself”.  

Votes on gun laws! Do you see a pattern Jack!

"Where was the Obama admin when they held every branch of government and a filibuster proof senate???????"

and how may of the guys who have done these mass shooting are felons? Of course criminals will still get guns, regardless. But, again, that does not mean that the solution is to do nothing about legally buying semi-automatic weapons.

Nothing like having the peace of mind, required for learning, within an armed encampment!

...our country to move in is a weapon brandishing totally guarded police state, at least that is what your post suggests. If we are able to totally protect the schools with armed guards, where would some crazed shooter strike next ? mabey transportation terminals or sporting events or office buildings, as a matter of fact armed guards would have to be stationed everywhere a crowd of people might be gathered. This is a totally wrong direction for our society to move in & that idea is reminiscent of what we might expect in a place like North Korea, & arming everyone is no better answer most mass shooters would not be detered because most of them see their actions as suicide missions anyway.

So fuck your crowd for trying to take MY rights away. And  It isn't that Jack interprets the second amendment the way I do, its that SCOTUS interprets it that way. That's how our democracy is set up.

Aren't our kids more important?

Go for it. And, of course anyone would be grateful to have an armed guard "tracking that fucker down". But, ya know....I'd much rather the fucker didn't have a gun in the first place. I'd much RATHER---as a society---we be proactive instead of reactive. I'd RATHER we didn't NEED to place armed guards in schools. I'd rather we started making moves to PREVENT, even one, mass shooting. At least TRY.  

As a society we place limits on RIGHTS----that process starts right about the time that YOUR rights trample on MY rights. You want your right to form a militia---go for it. There are plenty enough guns for everybody. You can walk into any gun store and buy a weapon. Nobody is stopping you---nobody is even trying to.  And your handgun or long gun will kill me just as dead as semi-automatic weapon.  

It's called....UTOPIA.  

access to any school by implementing a single secure point of entry. Similar to a courthouse. Add in a sound security plan for all schools and these crimes could be greatly reduced. Many schools in high crime, gang infested areas of NYC have already implemented this for many years.

is a society in which people are not able to pick-up an AR15 with a gallon of milk on their way home? Seems to me, that with all of this American greatness and ingenuity that would be a fixable problem. But, completely NOT fixable and no point even trying is what I'm hearing. Right? I guess I have higher standards for Utopia.  
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But hey...If you gun nuts think armed guards in every school is the only answer---well, get the fuck on it then. 'Cause ALL I have ever seen in response to a mass shooting is : "there's nothing that can be done, crazy people can't be stopped, NO WAY will you trample on my RIGHT to buy deadly weapons with as little hassle as possible, felons will get them anyway and *if* we actually did do something useful we wouldn't get our millions in tasty campaign contributions from the NRA---so here's our thoughts and prayers...again...so sorry...rinse and repeat" response.  
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FL had two officers---how many of these retired police offices do you suppose we're gonna need to cover every school, in every district, across the entire country?

Jack has invested heavily in several arms manufacturers, so he'd like to see as many guns as possible defending our schools throughout the nation! Or, so it would seem!  

but it's unlikely that it would have saved a single life in this latest shooting.  

The ammunition!

They compare the AR 15 to a "small caliber" handgun, an unfair comparison. A 9mm using hot loads and hollow points has every bit the killing power as the AR 15 from close range, and  9 mm is the very minimum I would ever consider carrying, there are handguns MUCH more powerful than the very common 9 mm. Comparing what the two can do at 500 yards is meaningless as virtually all the victims were shot at basically point blank range.

What would be more helpful is if the NRA would give permission to our congressmen to have the CDC do some research on how to prevent mass killings with guns, and maintain gun ownership.

He could have easily got off a lot more shots with handguns.  

That’s not the problem. You don’t need to be an experienced gun owner to know that there is a significant problem with guns in the US. I was raised around guns and learned about gun safety and how to shoot when I was tall enough to hold a 22. caliber long rifle. Admittedly, I do not like guns. I do not get why so many people are so seemingly obsessed with guns. That said, I completely get why and how guns can be useful. I am not at all opposed to gun ownership.  
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But, as I’ve said, there has to be a limit somewhere. And, semi-automatic military style assault weapons have no place in any legitimate “need” category for civilian gun ownership. It’s not for hunting. It’s not for target practice. It’s not for predator control. It’s not even useful as an urban paranoia protection device. It’s a fucking military weapon being sold to civilians as a “sporting rifle” for the sole purpose of gun manufacturers making money. And….apparently to feed some kind of emotional/psychological need of weekend military militia wanna-b’s.  
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Sure, banning them would feel good. No, it would not stop ALL mass shootings. But the Las Vegas shooting sure as hell would have been different. The guy shot 500 people fer christs sake.  Something other than thoughts and prayers are needed here. No matter how much outrage there is after every shooting incident, republican recipients of NRA contributions and the zealotry of 2nd amendment adherents block any and every effort to implement even the most minimal amount of control over guns in the US.  
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Realistically, there are many things that could be done to slow the problem, without preventing regular folks from owning firearms. Nobody needs a semi-automatic military style assault rifle. Nobody needs handgun with a 30 round magazine---or multiple magazines---or multiple handguns/shotguns/rifles. If you can’t “protect yourself” with a 9mil and 17 rounds, maybe you should put down the gun? Some sort of flag should be going up at gun dealerships when someone is attempting to buy multiple guns….or multiple magazines. And nobody should be able to buy a gun, from some random guy, at a road-side gun show. The background checks currently place make it easier to buy a gun than it is to buy a car.  
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and yes----as well as a reasoned public discourse on gun rights/ownership, we need to be looking at the underlying motivation for these shootings. What is up with these young men? WTF? Every single time we have a mass shooting, R’s say: “now is not the time to talk about this.” The Columbine shooting happened 19 years ago and nothing has been done to change anything. When the fuck would be the time to talk about this?
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And, more than anything, the NRA has entirely too much influence over politicians via campaign contributions. That needs to stop. Mass shootings can happen anywhere. But mass shootings have become so routine in the US that when another one happens we all say---oh…how terrible! What’s for breakfast?

A few 14-year-olds murdered again by AR-15. Why get upset about it? Happens every few months. We talk about "praying fucking jesus" and forget all about it after a week or two. Back to the fucking god-given right to bear arms and blow away more kids.

door hardware can prevent unwanted entry. And yes,  a gated entry would help as well. It's not foolproof but could help immensely as a preventative measure.

One can wreak havoc on something.  But something can only "reek of desperation."  Turn in your degree from your fake university, Duncey.

Oh ..there is nothing anyone can do ,the law that allow these people to own war guns  and slaughter innocent civilians anytime they  want  was sent from God and  cannot be overturned to make these guns illegal to own.

a deranged man walking is a desert scribbled some nonsense on a rock and the stupid people follow the nonsense. It becomes justification for murdering children. Connasses!

Let's say a hang gun has 6 rounds, which he was't old enough to get, but we've gone over that.
But let's say there's 6-8 rounds in a hang gun compare to a magazine clip of what 10? And that's being conservative. Maybe he had a 30 round clip...someone look that up. But you get the numbers.
Plus you have to consider that he wanted to spray the hallway, just shoot. A hang gun would work better if you isolated on one person. And at this stage, it's not reform to "feel better", it's just to show that you give a fuck.
And just to let you know, I'm not about banning guns.

First off nobody uses a "six gun" anymore, My personal handgun, a Glock holds 17 rounds, with three or four of them and several extra mags, I could easily get off a hundred shots in only a couple of minutes. Five minutes is 300 seconds, even at a shot a second you could easily triple the number of shots he fired.  

Additional gun laws will not prevent the next massacre and are just "feel good" measures.

that the other countries have more government, law enforcement and military control over their people that prevent shootings. Also a less diverse population, harsher criminal punishments and intolerance to people with mental and physical disabilities.

There is technologies which the NRA opposes vehemently.  Make the gun to be fired only by its licensed owner. Smart card hunting permits that enables the guns for only the hunting season. Have another smart card to allow the gun to be fired limited rounds buy its registered/licensed owner.

what happened to them, they are trolled as being being left-wing stooges, or covering for the FBI. I mean, how dare they have an opinion on the matter that goes against the Repubs. and the NRA?

...No anon just a further complication, even among the shoot em up morons someone will come up with a way to overide whatever safety technology with firearms is tried & we would be right back where we started except that the firearm manufactures would be several billion dollars ritcher. The only way to reduce the current problem of death & injury with firearms is to convince our BANG BANG shoot em up society that firearms ARE the facilitators of this carnage & that certified law enforcement officers are the only people that ought to carry them.

The further left a person is, the less likely that person is to support cops, but the more likely that person is to trust his life to LE and LE only where is comes to being protected from crime.

I'm a twice deployed Special Forces veteran. I carried an M16...military version of AR15...for many years.
I don't believe assault rifles belong in urban society.
Having said that Parkland has LOTS of  blame to pass around and it has ZERO to do with the NRA, Republicans or congress.
The FBI protected its own turf by not assisting local police, fellow high school students knew this kid was a problem and told no one, the people who took him in are now saying they THOUGHT they had the only key to the gun safe. Really,? You have a major discipline problem living in your house and you're not sure?
The school had to expel him because he was a problem but didn't think to increase security?
We as a people expect the government to take care of everything. We ARE the government.

...the true irony of this debate is the debate about (tools) is meaningless without discussing change in our social direction. The undeniable fears that drive the right side of these posts are the true enemys that create the firearm carnage that America leads the world in today & until these attitudes begin to change this problem will continue to grow.  I know my desire to see our society without the intimidation of firearms is not currently realistic but my thoughts are in change for our future and that has to start somewhere & the sooner the better. So go ahead & bury your head in the sand, maintain the status-quo or begin to realize the foolishness of trying to solve any of Americas problems with firearms.

Many of the liberals agree with him but are too chicken shit to take his stand so they can claim "Who is saying to get rid of all guns Jack?"  

Guns have ALWAYS been part of American culture, there have always been plenty of guns for both adults and teenagers to get their hands on. Why is it that school shootings are only a recent phenomenon? The guns have always been here, why didn't kids shoot up schools before now if the guns are the problem?

...Well Jack the most salient point of my post went right over your head : the (tools) or (hardware) here are secondary to the true point of this discussion, progress to the problem of firearm related death & carnage will not happen until we begin to discuss falacy of attempting solve problems with fierarm violence.

I was replying to GaG so your point didn't go over my head as I was addressing a different one. I give you credit though. You have taken an unpopular position and I actually respect that.

...An easy one GaG, the fasination with firearms has growen as has our desire to use these (tools) to quickly solve problems that confront us. Until we begin to discuss the release of the angry power & control issues that some use to justify the necessity of the use of (tools) of fear & death these problems will continue.

Some say violent movies, video games and the internet have desensitized teenagers and society in general. Also, the divorce rate, dual income households and absentee dad's may play a role along with the removal of psychiatric wards.

Or cops and robbers, or any of the other childhood games based on guns and violence. Not to mention, outside of the cities as least, most kids grew up having guns around them their entire lives. Speaking for myself, I owned my first handgun at age 11, I have always been around guns, but I have never contemplated mass murder.

“'The right to keep and bear arms is apparently this court’s constitutional orphan. And the lower courts seem to have gotten the message,' Thomas wrote."

...SWAHILI because no poster today has been willing or able to see the coralation between our ever escalating propensity for violence & the tools that facilitate that behavior. And yes GaG going back to childhood games of cowboys & indians is a  logical begining, but you might ask a few of todays native Americans if the late nineteenth century was a good time for their ancestors. The simple point I have been trying to get people to understand is in this issue the software (violence) & the hardware (firearms) are inseperable & it seems foolish to try to propose any resolution to the death & carnage problem until people acknowledge that.

you wrong.

...willing to accept the firearm violence problem as it is, if most people share that attude than we might just as well park discussing this problem until the next shooting outrage. NOT ME !

But then, there's the old adage about bending, not breaking. If the NRA and gun rights supporters are not careful, we may reach a tipping point, much like Australia and Norway did after mass shootings there, and gun rights could be drastically curtailed.