I was quite shocked to hear Chuck Schumer be so critical of Ocare last week but then I read the comments made by Dem Tom Harkin, one of the co-authors of the ACA, I damn near soiled my big boy panties:

This is really about keeping power of the congress.

Especially when the real intent behind Obamacare was to create yet another huge government bureaucracy and have the Federal Government ultimately take over another 15% of the economy, getting us that much closer to true socialism.

I still find it almost amusing that the American people are gullible enough to believe that you could simultaneously create this huge government bureaucracy, add millions of new people to the insurance rolls, allow for every preexisting condition, AND, get this, drum roll please, do all of this and reduce the price at the same time. PT Barnum was right about us.

In fact, I don’t want to be the one who tells you, bc I know how much you enjoy Little Sizzlers in the morning.

They should have allowed those in the individual market the ability to sign up with Medicare, and deal with the subsidy issue via the Earned Income Tax Credit. You could've written the law on a cocktail napkin.

... or at least some form of referendum on the ACA.  

I'd suggest you jump ship while you still can.

I've never heard of law that forced people to watch how sausage was made, while forcing that very same sausage down the throats of the citizens of the United States of America.

He specifically mentioned "cost" Mari, not the grandiose promises congress makes to the peeps or the horse trading that goes in to get votes for passage, etc.

Have you ever heard of Lawrence O'Donnell rant on this? He said it just should have been sold as "Medicare for all" from day one and he makes a great point that there would have been tens of millions of built in "salesman" for the law (the elderly) that would have made the transition a piece of cake

So after we get a look at the GOP having power in congress.

Is it your comprehension

I completely agree! If Obama had gone whole hog on universal coverage for all, the ACA would be more popular than it is right now. I cannot count the number of times this administration has gone out of its way to shoot itself in the foot. The rollout of the ACA program was an unmitigated disaster. I really think  "moles " in the administration allied with the Clinton's failed healthcare plan had a big part to play in this disasterous rollout.  

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running away from obama on this and many other issues/policies.

along with all the other obama/dem fuck-ups

Or at least not the dumbest.

Remember when I first nominated you for SPOTY, back before there even was a SPOTY competition? Well, in spite of some of your ridiculous, socialist views. You would barely make Top ten SPOTY on this board, even if you had been here the whole time.

I am glad to see that you were able to pull that knife out of your back, but it also appears that I will still be in need of that special brick that I reserve for you.

I hope you don't mind that you have a couple of "left wing nut jobs" that you will likely be ashamed to have on "your team" as Hadji and bigfatgirl are both too dumb for words, and even you will be ashamed to have them on the same side of an issue with you.

Willy, ya gotta give up this nonsense about Obama bending over backwards to get R votes. He would have had the two squishy Maine ladies who were dying to vote for it but he refused to have any sort of Tort reform because he is in the back pocket of the trial attorneys.  

It has been in the news the last few weeks, from Gruber to them cooking the books on enrollment to people using their HC less because it is too costly, etc etc etc.

Is there something you two should be telling the rest of us??? lol

I guess the band is back together again. Of course with fatgirl and Hadji running their mouths nonstop with foolishness, I guess it would take a return of benlanger or DaffyDuck to make this place any worse than it's been the last week or two. Or maybe the return of the original FatBoy

add Gruber to PT Barnum's beliefs!

does a person get shit canned, for a while, for posting to a closed thread?

Honestly, as dumb and outlandish as I think many of your positions are, you are a joy to have around compared to these latest trolls.

Of course I say that now, You now within a few posts I will once again be breaking out my brick for you. lol

As for Buggy, I think after a bit being back here even you might agree that he is just responding in kind

Exactly what did Obama offer the Republicans to get them to go along? The only thing you are pointing to here is the Democrats did not push single payer. They did not do that in order to get Republican votes. They did it to get enough moderate Democrats to vote for it so it would pass.

You're welcome 96 times

Especially when you find yourself in Phoenix. lol

heard that three piles of bear shit was found in LA about 9 months ago.

We have hundreds of piles of "Bear Shit" here just in the last couple of months. I wish a certain bear would just go shit in the woods instead of all over this board. They do have some nice woods in the Phoenix area, maybe Flagstaff would be a more suitable place for him?

How many times did Obama say after passage he would work with ANYONE to fix it? WHO has he worked with with? NO ONE WILLY. He unilaterally made changes without even Dems being involved.

1) The Democrats did not pass the Heritage Foundation plan. The only similarity is they both included a mandate. Similarity ends there.

good to see your commie ass back here!  

Making up shit now Willy? The CBO said there will be 31 million uninsured by 2024. Yeah, real universal. Affordable? A majority of the UNINSURED are against Ocare and the number # 1 reason they oppose it? It cost too damn much.