Kamala’s going in rattled because her team couldn’t get the rules concessions that they wanted. She might score a few points, but Trump is better on his feet and will prevail.

Trump is only better on his feet than Biden. Have you seen the gaffe-fest he's been on in recent weeks?
I believe Kamala will kick his ass to the point where he won't debate her again.

Ya know that last lefty asshole that made that kind of prediction had to run away in shame for weeks…

And tell him to stick to the script? KellyAnne Conway and Frank Luntz have been saying that for months now. The problem for Trump is when he goes off script. You know this CKS. You should walk that statement back. It's really a hyper partisan and uneducated take, per experts on YOUR side of the aisle.

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The difference between Happy and Nicky is that Nicky has no shame. He’ll be back regardless of the accuracy of his prediction. Happy, on the other hand, disappeared for weeks.

If I’m in your brain rent free…, then you have problems.
I know it sucks to be U but… work on it

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the self-appointed most intelligent and reasonable poster. LOLOLOLOL!

Your description of Harris is so far-fetched as to most likely have been chemically induced. She has long been known as someone who handles herself well when speaking.
Like when she eviscerated Barr in testimony before the Senate.
And when she delivered a compelling speech accepting the nomination a couple of weeks ago.
I hope Trump believes the bullshit you just fed us because then he'll under-estimate her and she'll eat his lunch.
Please get help, Wanker, for your chemical dependency.

Every time Kamala says "felon" or "felony", must swig one shot of whiskey (or similar strength alcoholic beverage.)

She's had to memorize all new positions and attempt to answer questions about them consistently.  After a lifetime of radical leftism, it would be a challenge to anyone to suddenly pretend to be middle of the road.  I think if she has a flawed performance it will be because she becomes muddled trying to present her new positions against her old instincts.
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Her Trump attacks are all already known -- J6, felon, rapist, Project 2025.  How much time will she spend on the attack and how much time will she spend clarifying her own new positions.
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Trump is Trump, we know what he's going to say about every topic.  He's been repeating it at every rally.  For his part, he'll spend a lot of time hammering Kamala on the Biden record as well as the policy flip-flops.
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If Kamala doesn't get flustered, every MSM outlet will proclaim her the winner.  The bar is pretty low.  

Tell that to his advisors and handlers! They would laugh you out of the room. And Trump flip flopped on abortion 3 times in 3 days just last week! lol. You're funny Lester!

If you think this is trolling, you’ve got issues. But while we are here, care to make a prediction on who wins this debate? Nicky was willing to stick his neck out for Kamala. Is he the only leftist willing to make a prediction this time?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2024/09/09/trump-biden-marijuana-legalization-florida/

Yes, we know!
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Hannibal Lecter! He wants to have you for dinner!
Windmills cause cancer. Rrrrrrrr! RRRRrrrrrr! RRRRrrrrr!
Electrocution or the shark? I'll take the shark every day.
We'll nuke the hurricanes.
Crooked Joe! Crooked Joe. I'll beat Crooked Joe better than before.
The Old Woman and the Snake. Oooh, that snake.
The dishwashers! The showers! And what else??? THE TOILETS!! Ten times! Ten times!! Ya gotta flush the toilets ten times!  
The ocean will fall [or rise, he can't make up his mind] 100th of an inch in 400 years.
Uncle John was the longest serving Professor at MIT. Good genes. That's why I'm so smart.
I never met that woman! (Or the other one. Or the other one. Or the other one.)
Little Rocket Man, it's a love affair.
Ukraine will be over in one day.  
ONLY I CAN SAVE THE WORLD.  
Stolen election! We won big and they stole the election!  
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Trump's Greatest Hits, guaranteed to play repeatedly, analog or digital.

Commentators on MSM have already written their headlines for the debate outcome.  
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"She looked presidential."  
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"The prosecutor has made her case beyond a reasonable doubt "
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More vaporings from Fester's fevered brain.

Look at Lester already complaining about the referees BEFORE the match. Lester is very scared.

Polymarket has Trump drifting up ahead of debate. That seems to be in anticipation of the debate not hurting Trump.

"Kamala came out swinging, landing haymaker after haymaker on befuddled Trump."

If Lester’s post is evidence of fear on his part, I’m curious as to how Robert would characterize Imp’s post upthread.

Calling spin doctors "referees" indicates the need for someone to do your thinking for you. The rest of us can decide for ourselves without being told what to think.

The MSM said Joe's debate performance was horrendous. How is THAT spin doctoring???? If it were true what you are saying, they would have said Joe's performance wasn't as bad as it looked. They didnt do that Lester. They slammed the DEM candidate and NOT the Rep one. Can you ever be anything other than a political hack?

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Then why was Fox saying it too? They never thought he was actually going to leave. No one did really until MUCH later. It was YOUR side on this very board that said over and over Biden wasn't going anywhere.

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She was not merely disliked, large segments of the Democrat party were looking for ways to yeet her off the ticket just six months ago.

Are you better off after 4 years of Biden Harris?  

She tries to spin it and does it badly. 🙄

She does a “BUT TRUMP” that would make icky jealous!

There isn't enough time to rebut every lie Trump is telling. It's an out-and-out Lie-A-Thon.
But I do think she's getting under his skin. Trump looks like he's about to explode.
And good move of hers to walk directly toward him and shake his hand at the beginning.
I do wish she'd had time to point out that Trump has no clue what a tariff is and who pays it.
Here's a hint: The Chinese have not paid a single dime in tariffs: "it is almost always paid directly by the importer (usually a domestic firm), and never by the exporting country."

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First, Kamala was well prepared.  
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That said, the moderators were the most biased I've ever seen in a presidential debate. Muir ended up arguing that he and he alone was the judge of valid sarcasm. Holy shit!  
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Trump had to debate 3 to 1.  You're supposed to let the candidates fact check each other.  We don't care what the moderators think, we're not voting for them. Disgraceful.

Taylor Swift just came out and said she's voting for Harris.

As to policy, ABC did not allow much in the way of policy clarification from Harris, whose positions are still mostly a mystery.
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Instead they mostly handed Harris attack vectors on Trump. So we know Harris hates Trump. But what are the policy details beyond promising sunshine and rainbows  
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Terrible moderators.  Horrible.

Biased moderators? Were they biased on the side of a candidate or  
****WERE THEY BIASED ON THE SIDE OF TRUTH AND FACTS?****

They let Trump bully them.  When his mic was off but he wanted to rebut something Harris said, he started talking and they turned his mic on even though it wasn't his turn.  Trump spoke 39 times; Harris spoke 23 times.  Trump spoke five minutes more than Harris!  Worst moderators ever!

 

 
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"As to policy, ABC did not allow much in the way of policy clarification from Harris, whose positions are still mostly a mystery."  
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(Darn, the full transcript isn't on-line yet. ...) I thought they threw Trump a few softballs, such as asking about his Health Care Plan to replace the ACA that he's been working on for 9 years. Trump could have said, "Here it is!" but he didn't. His answer wasn't even, "We're working on that and will have it for you in two weeks." but he didn't. It was just, "We're working on it." with, maybe, ~'and it will be bigger and cheaper and better than Obamacare.'

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...after thinking about it for NINE YEARS:
"We have concepts."

 
Righties in their Black jobs are shitting their pants because they won't have health insurance if Trump wins.  And if they have family members with pre-existing conditions  -- fuggedaboudit!

Are you K I D D I N G ? ? ? They let her spout out lie after lie after lie!  

She was as bad as icky when he’s all wound up after a nose nuzzle with Jabba!!!!

There were good people on both sides. 🙄🙄🙄🙄

Her quote about Trumps remarks on Jan 6  

Just to name two!!!  

 
All the moderators did was,” geee Trump
Is horrible, madam vice President isn’t Trump Horrible? “

When you get under 395 Jabba then you can talk about health care! In the mean time, tread mill Jabba 👉 GO NOW!!!

Trump's final statement was simple and memorable -- she had three and a half years to do all the things she wants to do, why didn't she do them?
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Again, what was memorable about her closing statement? I'm biased, but I don't remember a thing about it.  What about swing voters. Which will they remember?

I was amused by the moderator replying to Trump's oft-repeated claim that 'The Dems allow abortions AFTER BIRTH!' with a simple, ~'Killing babies after birth is illegal in all 50 states.'
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Almost as good was Trump's "re-tweeting" of a claim that he claims he saw (on TV) a man in Ohio claim that an immigrant killed and ate his dog.  Muir said that ABC was unable to find a verified case of immigrants using pets as pet food. This is the same Trump who claims he saw Muslims dancing on rooftops after the World Trade Center attack on 911. He later said that he wasn't a WITNESS to any Muslims celebrating but he must have seen it on TV.  
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I think Trump has a TV in his head -- or his head in a TV -- that plays whatever Trump wants to see in the moment.

1) Supporting for president before the debate.

47% Trump  
47% Harris
  2% Others
  4%  Undecided

2) Who won the debate?  

55% Harris
43% Trump
   2%  Tie

3) Who are you voting for now?

48% Trump  
48% Harris
   1% Others
   3% Undecided

I have posted this before, but I'll post it here, again, since it's relevant:  
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http://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-northam-abortion-execute/
"On 5 February [and several times since, including during the Sept 10, 2024 debate against Harris], President Donald Trump himself attacked Northam's abortion remarks during the State of the Union address, claiming the Virginia governor had "stated he would execute a baby after birth"." [And similar claims on other occasions.] [At the Biden debate, Trump said, "They will take the life of a child in the eighth month, the ninth month and even after birth."]
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"... Northam's remarks prompted an immediate backlash, with some right-leaning and pro-life observers claiming that he had expressed support for infanticide (i.e., the intentional killing of a child). ***President Trump, in his State of the Union address,*** went even further in stripping away the nuance and context from what Northam said and described the comments even more provocatively [and falsely] by claiming: "He [Northam] stated he would execute a baby after birth."  
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"***Northam certainly did **not** say that***, but the exact meaning of his remarks was unclear. The governor invoked a "particular example," but did not make it clear what the parameters of that example were. Was Northam describing a hypothetical scenario under current Virginia law, or under what would be the legal milieu if Tran's bill were passed? Did the example he used involve a fetus given a late diagnosis of disability or of a fatal condition, which meant the fetus was "non-viable" and could not survive even after being delivered alive? When Northam said the fetus would be "resuscitated if that's what the mother and family desired," was he saying he would, hypothetically, support a decision to allow the fetus to die by not providing life-extending medical intervention? What would be an acceptable outcome, in his view, to the "discussion" that would then take place between the woman and her physicians, and was Northam giving tacit support to a decision whereby a physician would withdraw life-extending care or take actions to intentionally end the life of the fetus?"
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When anyone is on life support, an infant or an adult, there are laws in place regarding removal of that life support and for the patient or family to use a "DNR" (Do Not Resuscitate) order. It has NOTHING to do with abortion (which is a pre-birth procedure). Family and physicians and religious advisors work very hard to make an always difficult decision regarding life support measures.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7516797/
Neonatal End-of-Life Symptom Management
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"In the United States, there are over 15,000 neonatal deaths each year. The majority of these deaths are the result of congenital malformations or chromosomal anomalies, with up to 3% of pregnancies being complicated by a fetal life-limiting diagnosis. While some families opt for a comfort measures approach to care at home, the majority of neonatal deaths occur in the neonatal intensive care unit (NICU). Regardless of the location of care, most deaths, with some estimates as high as 80%, are the result of a comfort measures only approach to care or a redirection of care after a trial of therapy. ..."
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From another study at one large center, NICU deaths, occurred, on average, 18 days after birth (from all causes).
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REMOVAL OF LIFE SUPPORT for anyone who cannot survive without it is a difficult yet still LEGAL decision made by family in consultation with doctors, clergy, and others. No one makes the decision lightly or unemotionally. UNDER THE LAW, IT IS NOT MURDER.  
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Can you imagine if Trump had to make a decision about health care or life support for a member of his family? "How much is this stupid shit costing me? How much is covered by insurance? I'm not going to pay no matter what so you can do whatever the fuck you want. Just don't send me the bill. ... And give me the keys to Eric's car. He won't be needing it. I'll autograph the hood and sell it to some cult member for a $50k or more."

Thin skinned, Woke soy boy cry……troll, troll and some cry stalker, stalker
Just gotta take it with a grain of salt, and yes he and the board soy-boys have issues.

CNN pre debate had Trump 53 to Harris 47 who would best handle economy.
After debate their poll had Trump 55 to Harris 45.  She lost two points and he gained two points, net 4 points swing.

That they gave trump 9 more minutes then Harris to dig himself into a deeper hole and they ALWAYS gave trump the last say.
Sure, very biased.

...gets rid of Obamacare.  Then you won't be able to get health insurance because of your pre-existing condition -- anencephaly.

The last say was determined by a coin flip NOT the moderators.

Keep on telling your lies we expect it  

 
2024 = Trump270+

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First of all, Trump has money and is an asshole when it comes to what he wants.