to watch the former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and the other brass who will speak at the convention tonight, and then rebut what they say.

The Bush campaign will announce the support of over 100 retired flag officers, generals and admirals, who have endorsed the President. Presently, there are 18 retired flag officers who serve on Bush-Cheney ’04 Veterans Steering Committee.

The Kerry campaign is describing the support of 12 retired flag officers as "unprecedented".

Unprecedented for a liberal Democrat, perhaps?

RLTW

Hey dude-

Are you surprised that many soldiers are conservative?  how about reactionary? How about wholly fascist?

Where do you think that all the Military Dictators come from?  What kind of people tend to want to play with guns well into adulthood?

Its' ok that they are aligned with Bush it's expected, and insignificant.  That some would want to end the lunacy and cross the aisle, especially guys like Shali?  That is unusual.

But I don't think it is the be all and end all of political events.

Maybe the men who actually served with Kerry (do you think he'll wear that cool space suit tonight?) in VietNam and over welmingly view him as unfit to be President should be listened to.

So, ex-soldiers who support Bush and like to play with guns well into adulthood are reactionary fascists?

Well damn, all these years I've thought of myself as just another vet who served his country and still enjoyed the art of marksmanship. Where can I get one of them "Reactionary Fascist Club" t-shirts to wear to the range next week?

Advance apologies for paraphrasing one of your quotes, but,
"Better to be thought a fool, Sully, than post and remove all doubt!"  

RLTW

Actually  did not mean any of that post as an insult.  Just thought I was agreeing with you in part.

Military people the world over tend to be conservative- like traditions (military has a ton of those- mainly good some bad)- think about preserving the status quo.  Not a bad thing necessarily.

Not many revolutionary armies left.

I do NOT think all people who like guns are bad or even that right wingers are bad.  Just that one ought not be shocked to find Active and Vets largely on the side of right of center candidates.  It IS more unusual for a Dem/Progrssive to get suport in that quarter, however limited.

Did that balm your bruised ego ?  (Hee hee as if you gave a toot what I think- I know you are havin' fun like me here!)

No offense taken. I enjoy bantering with you.
Have a good weekend and we'll argue next week.

RLTW

Not all think him a bad choice.

BTW - Why the "Unfit to be President" line?  Over the last four years we pretty much had a trained(now I think about it- untrained) monkey as president.  Now that the GOP has pushed the bar so low, isn't that a bit pompous?

Why not he's a bad choice. Or vote for Bush.  Why accuse a pretty basic candidate with pretty normal qualifications of being somehow incapable of governing?

And you guys think Drudge is an unreliable source.

All I got was a "roll call" of how many how ranking military officers support one or the other of the candidates, and a statement that some of the vets who served with Kerry should have a bigger voice.

Challenge unnmet.

Over 100, versus 12. Kind of refutes your challenge on it's own.
Besides, did anyone actually listen to what they had to say?

RLTW

If all of the Viet Nam vets who detest everything Kerry stands for and the disgusting things he had to say about them 30 were to join President Bush on stage at the Republican convention next month they would need to move the convention out of Madison Square Garden and into Yankee Stadium. Twelve years ago, Kerry defended Clintons draft dodging by saying it that how people acted then was irrelavant and that we shouldn't open up old wounds. Now he is trying to build a campaign around it. It would be too easy to pass this off as just another flip-flop. What should be more relavant is what has he done in his current position, one he has held for 20 years now but only mentioned once in his speech tonight. He must be very proud of it. Of course having a record of only sponsering 11 bills during those 20 years is something to be proud of. His proposal to gut the CIA of billions of dollars during the 90,s looks like a geat idea now also don't you think. No wonder he never mentions his Senate carreer.

And as Drudge has shown repeatedly, he's not objective at all.  

The other folks, just like the folks who endorse Bush, are advocates, practicing advocacy.  And I would expect that the folks who endorse Bush at the convention, and in ads, are on the RNC payroll as well.

What's TRULY disgraceful, is that Bush and Cheney are on the U.S. Taxpayers' payroll.  And yet they do not have our entire national interest as their goal.

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And still with much of what you say correct, he shines like a fuckin' beacon of light compared to what we have now.

I told you guys.  It's like a watching a drunk driver who's crashed into a police car saying what a good driver he is.  Bush has put this nation on a precipice and been so divisive- that a run of the mill guy like Kerry looks like Gandhi.

I know you guys are proud of your drunk driver-boy- but the car is in the ditch nonetheless...

I think I said it before here- not often is there a president who can make a goofy stoner software salesman and a about 288 million other nobodies feel like they are clearly smarter and wiser than their "leader".   Paris Hilton would be more intellectual president! If it wasn't for Tony Blair, the free world would be totally rudderless...

she'd have to do much better than that to get elected.  Of course, that was only a small informal poll.  

Still, I'd vote for her over NobleBush(tm).

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If you suck at sucking, are you actually throwing up?  

This was not related to NetM little story of chunderlove until I suddenly flashed on it while posting this.  

She does NOT suck at sucking!