“Democrats love black voters as long as black voters do what democrats tell them to do”

Glenn speaks the truth! Not his truth (hate that fucking saying) but THE TRUTH!

PS what doooo the Dems have on Bernie?

And you're in luck!!  He recently became a widower:
http://www.foxnews.com/media/glenn-greenwalds-husband-brazilian-politician-david-miranda-dead-37

to also accuse BPS of gay-bashing.

And bad attempt at a dodge. Face it dear leader Joe (who is barely a closeted racist, we all know it, your side just won’t admit it in public) even said “if you have a problem figuring out wether you are for me or Trump you Ain’t Black”  

So there ya go. Dear leader Joe is a racist. 😉 You cats with your media induced hatred of Trump will swallow any garbage pushed by the media. Trump may have any number of faults but he did not drive this country off a cliff like your idiot has done! What gets me is you cheer lead on the way to the crash at the bottom and you attack anyone of your own that point out that we are in a free fall!

LS1

The DJIA plummeted from 33960 in Dec 2019 to 25944 in Mar 2020 under Trump. When graphed, that looks a lot like a cliff!

More Greenwald truth for you: "Greenwald has criticized some of the policies of the Trump administration, saying, "I think the Trump White House lies more often. I think it lies more readily. I think it lies more blatantly.""

Looooser HATES facts like a vampire hates sunlight.

LOOOOSER wouldn't know the truth if it bit him on his ass.

Intellectual dishonesty alert That was Covid you moron and you know it!

 

I have repeatedly said Trump has faults A LOT OF THEM!!! But ya wanna know what? Despite the almost instantaneous attacks on the man he pulled this country out of the Obama doldrums to prosperity. Which by the way lasted till the COVID PANDEMIC!  

Then Biden who should not have even ran somehow gets installed an immediately kicks this country into a tail spin.  

You can’t tell me your life was better under Obama worse under Trump an wonderful under Biden! You just can’t do it!

LS1

I bet Not a one of you watched the segment did ya? No mention of how Bernie has sold the fuck out after repeatedly getting ass raped buy you dems!

So a botched response to a global pandemic that was beyond his control and lying to the American about the severity was NOT Trump's fault? But the GLOBAL inflation during the recovery from that pandemic was Biden's fault, despite the fact that Biden policies and actions have led the US economy to outperform and have lower inflation than every other nation?
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Let me see if I have your take on this right:  
If something BAD happens, you claim it isn't Trump's fault but it's just a bad accident or it is completely Biden's fault.  
If something GOOD happens, you claim it's due to Trump's policies but is an accident of fate if it happens under Biden's leadership.  
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--------------- Trump -------------- Biden
Good -------Good Trump-----good luck
Bad ----------bad luck----------Bad Biden
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Isn't that an example of INTELLECTUAL DISHONESTY? YOUR intellectual dishonesty?

Instead of quoting Trump propaganda, would you provide some specifics?  
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Obama inherited Bush's Great Recession -- THE cause of any doldrums -- and it took a lot of effort to recover from that.
Trump inherited the upward trending economic indicators established during the Obama administration.
Many economic trends remained the same, some improved slightly under Trump and some trends were actually reversed by Trump.  
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The only reference I could find to "the Obama doldrums" referred to the earliest days of his first term when we were stuck in the Bush recession.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/09/05/trump-obama-economy/
The Trump vs. Obama economy — in 16 charts.
[Interesting ... manufacturing output SLOWED under Trump and the trade deficit under "I'm gonna get tough on China!" Trump INCREASED under Trump. Not in this WaPo article, but well reported elsewhere, Trump never saw any of the $200 B increase in exports to China that he negotiated with his pal Xi. The self-declared Best Negotiator had zero guarantees of anything in the deal and it amounted to a Big Zero.]
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http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/data-show-trump-didn-t-build-great-economy-he-inherited-n1237793
Data show Trump didn't 'build' a great economy. He inherited it.
"... But the real story of the Trump economy, and the president’s role in building it, is not so simple. If you compare key economic indicators from Barack Obama’s second term in office to the first three years of Trump’s time (that is, before the pandemic hit), the data show a continuation of trends, not a dramatic shift. It suggests Trump didn’t build something new; rather he inherited a pretty good situation.
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"... In 2016, Trump said he was unhappy that the country’s economic growth rate was under 3 percent a year. Trump said he thought the economy could grow at better-than-4-percent annual rate. But the numbers show that average quarterly economic growth under Trump, 2.5 percent, was almost exactly what it was under Obama in the second term, 2.4 percent. ... Trump didn’t get near his 4 percent figure. ... The [GDP] growth that began in Obama’s second term and essentially continued under Trump was enough to create an economy that even Trump believes was great. In other words, there might be something to be said for slow-steady growth over a prolonged period of time. ...
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"Job numbers for Obama and Trump show a similar story. ..." And so on for many other economic parameters and indicators.
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http://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-10-27/trump-vs-obama-who-really-did-better-on-the-economy
Trump vs. Obama: Who has the better record on the U.S. economy?
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"... Before COVID-19 made a mess of things, the U.S. economy under Trump performed about the same as it had during the last three years under President Obama. On some economic measures, it was a little worse, on others a little better — but on the whole, not markedly different. And it was a far cry from the best ever. ..."
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And MANY, many more articles and commentaries by economists that say pretty much the same thing.
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Stop repeating Trump's LIES without looking at the underlying data.

This is thr bullshit that the left wing media all tries to gas light is with.

This right here, from the article.  

“The National Federation of Independent Businesses conducts a monthly survey asking business owners, “What’s the most important problem facing your business today?” Under Obama, they cited taxes and regulation as numbers one and two. After Trump cut taxes and slashed regulations, business owners cited finding qualified workers as their number one problem.”

That alone jump started the economy. The major fucking hamstringing that Obama did to the economy and national defense is still astounding to me.

 Also the “in the name of environmental efforts” which had mass unintended consequences. F O R  instance the mass attacks on the coal industry… A huge unintended consequence was the fact that we shut down the production of coal tar pitch in the United States. Now what you ask is coal tar pitch? It’s the binding agent used to make anodes in the steel and aluminum smelting industry. OK so what you ask? Well, after the United States got rid of their manufacturing capacity for this rare, but very very very critically needed item the only place we could get it was you guessed it, China or Russia or Ukraine! And guess what? WE SHRE AS FUCK aren’t getting any from Russia or Ukraine at the moment. So who do you think we now are 5000% dependent upon for this? Yeah you guessed it China and guess what since the invasion of Ukraine the price of this stuff has quadrupled, and we don’t have even the ability to start it back up , thank you Barack Obama for for fucking us once again!  

But yeah… Obama did not hand trump a growing economy on a silver Plater.

the results of a poll on the opinions of small business people. Do you understand how irrelevant that is?
Then you cite regulations against coal tar pitch as if this rebuts the fact that the economy was growing anyway. Lame.
You really are TSTTT. Too Stupid To Talk To.

The fact that we are 100% dependent on China for a super critical Infrastructure need just goes right the fuck over your head. 🙄

Yeah guess what all of  imps “talking points” are bullshit talking points spit out over and over by the anti trump media.

Here’s another little fact. Trump stopped the people mine in Alaska. That was HUGE but you wouldn’t even k ow what the gravity of that act is would ya?

Not to mention deplorable.
Please sign up for a brain transplant.

“Oh please don’t throw me in the briar patch icky!”

I’ll take deplorable from a looooser lefty any day of the week and twice on Sunday!

The economy,  according to every major statistic described in the articles I cited, was ALREADY "jump started" by Obama and on an upward trend. On the other hand, Trump's tax cuts did NOT jump start anything. It made the richest richer:
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http://apnews.com/article/438fae12f9204b1fbd8e8b1985ae554f
US companies’ tax windfall fuels record share buybacks.
"U.S. corporations spent a record amount buying back their own shares last year, using 2017’s tax-cut windfall to reward shareholders rather than to invest or expand their businesses. Companies in the S&P 500 spent $806 billion on stock buybacks in 2018, blowing away the previous record of nearly $590 billion set in 2007. ..."
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"“Buybacks were again favored over dividends in both the rate of growth and aggregate dollars spent,” said Howard Silverblatt, senior index analyst at S&P Dow Jones Indices. ..."
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Or maybe you'll believe TRUMP on the effect of his own tax cuts and business credits:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-trump-buybacks/trump-slams-companies-for-using-u-s-tax-credit-to-buy-back-stocks-idUSKBN2173HY
Trump slams companies for using U.S. tax credit to buy back stocks.
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"U.S. President Donald Trump on Friday took Boeing Co and some airlines to task for buying back shares with the cash boost from a 2018 tax break, vowing to ensure that companies benefiting from coronavirus stimulus won't follow suit. ...
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"Corporations buy back their own shares as a way to invest in themselves. By reducing the number of outstanding shares, a company can boost its stock price, and it is one way corporations add value for shareholders. ..."
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"“I never liked stock buybacks from their standpoint. ****When we did a big tax cut, and when they took the money and did buybacks, that’s not building a hangar, that’s not buying aircraft, that is not doing the kind of things that I want them to do,” **** he said. ... “I am fine with restricting buybacks,” Trump added. “In fact, I would demand that there be no stock buybacks. I don’t want them taking hundreds of millions of dollars and buying back their stock because that does nothing,” he said. ..."
.Trump campaigned in 2016 that he would BRING BACK COAL!!! Whoo hoo! How did that work out?  
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http://www.spglobal.com/marketintelligence/en/news-insights/latest-news-headlines/us-coal-jobs-down-24-from-the-start-of-trump-administration-to-latest-quarter-61386963
US coal jobs down 24% from the start of Trump administration to latest quarter.
"Despite a campaign promise to put coal miners back to work and support "beautiful clean coal," President Donald Trump is on track to leave the White House with the nation posting the lowest coal production and jobs figures in recent history.
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""You watch what happens — if I win, we're going to bring those miners back," Trump said at a 2016 rally. ..."  
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THAT didn't happen. Neither did many other things that Trump promised:
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http://www.cnn.com/2021/01/30/politics/trump-broken-promises/index.html
From building the wall to bringing back coal: Some of Trump’s more notable broken promises.
"While Donald Trump’s first campaign for president was all about change, his argument for re-election was based on the premise that he had delivered on his initial promises and would continue to do so. The campaign slogan “Promises made, promises kept,” became Trump’s rallying cry. ..."  
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It's a long list!!!  And it's a list that helps to explain what several of us think is a huge or ("I know words. I have the best words.") BIGLY problem. Lost, willy, followme, CDL, et al. accept a Trump tweet as gospel. "I built the wall!" "I brought back coal!" "I got rid of the trade deficit!" "I am God! Bow down to me!" ... and they will repeat: "Trump built the wall!" "Trump had the best economy ever!" "Trump cut the debt!"  ...
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Trump did not bring back coal. Coal industry employment shrank by ~25% (~50800 down to 38000) under Trump. Some industry experts (technical, financial) saw it coming, but not Trump. Trump was going to bring back coal with bluster. Cheap, cleaner natural gas hastened the demise of coal. Platitudes and promises (despite weakening regulations and cheaper leases and so on) could not save coal. But Trump will campaign on "I saved COAL!" and his MAGA ("My Ass Got Arrested") will accept Trump on his (worthless) word.
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And to inicky's point about "You really are TSTTT. Too Stupid To Talk To." Although I "reply" (literally: hit the Reply or Quote button) to Lost, willy, et al., I know that I will not change their opinions on anything. Rather, my posts are directed at the readers who do not actively participate in the Forum. I do not them to be fooled by the misleading posts of Lost, willy, et al.. MAYBE they will follow up by reading the articles I cite and quote and find additional information on their own. At a minimum, I hope that they will realize that Trump is a one-man propaganda machine who has an army of sycophants who unquestioningly repeat his lies and spread them, even to TER.

You and willy and CDL et al. question NOTHING from Trump or the Republicans. You dismiss, WITHOUT QUESTION, everything from the Dems.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Federation_of_Independent_Business
"On its website, the National Federation of Independent Business states that it is a "nonprofit, nonpartisan organization founded in 1943". In 2010, *****25 of its members, all Republican,***** were elected to the 112th Congress.
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"***There has been debate about how representative of American small businesses NFIB is, noting its very conservative and pro-Republican record.*** Since 1990, it has donated $725,551 to Democratic candidates and party committees versus $11,972,074 to Republican candidates or party committees. It was a key opponent of President Bill Clinton's attempt to reform American health care in 1993. ..."
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That's 94.2% of their "non-partisan" donations that go to Republicans. In 2022, it was 98.4% to Reps and 1.6% to Dems (opensecrets.org)! Most of their budget comes from donations from far right corporate donors and PACs, NOT small businesses. (In 2022, 98.3% of donations came from PACs / corporations; 1.7% came from individuals.)
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http://www.huffpost.com/entry/nfib-exposed_n_1917262
(Dateline 2012, but still interesting.)
NFIB Exposed: 'Voice Of Small Business' Is A Front, Group Charges.
"The same group that exposed the previously little-known American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) as a dominant force advancing corporate interests at the state level has now turned its sights on exposing the National Federation of Independent Business (NFIB). ..."
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"... The left-leaning Center for Media and Democracy has posted ... a study that reveals how consistently the NFIB lobbies on issues that favor large corporate interests rather than small-business interests; its thoroughly partisan agenda; and the millions it receives in secret contributions from groups associated with Karl Rove and the Koch Brothers. ..."
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"... Although NFIB doesn't disclose where it gets its money, some of its funders have to list their donations in public documents. The new website and other research shows that a big chunk of its budget came from the Donors Trust, a secretive conservative group that also funnels money to groups like the Koch Brothers' Americans for Prosperity Foundation, and from Karl Rove-founded Crossroads GPS."
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[Examples if information laundering = spewing corporate messaging under their "non-partisan" umbrella.]
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""They're actually throwing the voice of big businesses," said Graves. "That has an impact on media coverage. The media will highlight the perspective of the NFIB as if it were representative of small business." "
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To quote Richard Dawson, "Survey Says ...." exactly what they want it to say.

And still TSTTT.

The economy didn't "soar" under Trump. I continued growing at the same pace as it did during the Obama years. Stop making shit up, Willy.
"Consider: Under Obama from 2014 to 2016, real gross domestic product — the broadest measure of economic activity — grew at an average annual rate of 2.5%. In Trump’s first three years, 2017 to 2019, real GDP expanded by an annual average of 2.6%, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis." From the LA Times.

The fuck it didn’t!  Your same rate growth is either a lie or “you don’t know how to invest!!!”  And I’ll bet at a minimum you have lost 20% under Biden.  

Deplorable Actual out

You really do hate facts, don't you, goober?

http://www.factsarefirst.com/comparison/donald-trump/barack-obama
"This page has the comparisons between Trump vs Obama across all the metrics we track. President Trump and President Obama data are no longer in office. Their data has been set to be as equivalent by days in office to make a fair comparison of their performance. This accounts for presidents that had one term vs two terms, or presidents that had a much shortened term.
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"With respect to cumulative performance, Donald Trump has performed better on 0 out of the 5 metrics we track. President Trump's lowest performance difference was on NASDAQ Index performing -124.70% worse than President Obama.""
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Cumulative Performance   Donald Trump   Barack Obama   Difference
NASDAQ                                      137.56%            262.26%        Trump -124.70%
DOW                                              56.00%            138.28%         Trump -82.28%
S&P                                                67.26%            166.28%         Trump -99.02%
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Annualized Performance    Donald Trump    Barack Obama   Difference
NASDAQ                                        24.13%               17.44%          Trump +6.69%
DOW                                               11.75%               11.46%          Trump +0.29%
S&P                                                 13.71%               13.01%          Trump +0.70%
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Trump has a tiny (0.29%, 0.70%) edge on the Dow and S&P and a larger (6.69%) on the NASDAQ, but I would not call that "soaring" over Obama's growth stats. Why the difference in the differences?
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The graphs on that site are interactive and are not png, jpg, gif or postable. However, it is easy to see from the slopes (do you remember JHS math about slopes and such?) that the Obama slopes are very similar to the Trump slopes. In addition, if you only focus on their better years of growth (ignore early Obama years climbing out of Bush's recession) and the Trump's Covid Crash, the growth rates are even more similar. Trump's best is the same as Obama's best.  
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Or do the numbers lie?
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If interested, the market caps of the markets and indexes are roughly:
Markets:
NYSE $25 Trillion total market cap  
NASDAQ $22 Trillion total market cap (ALL companies, not just the index 100)
Indexes:  
NASDAQ 100 stocks = ??? Market Cap?
DOW $38 Trillion (500 Companies from different markets)
S&P $38 Billion (30 Blue Chips)
That is, the DOW averages 500 stocks on the NYSE, NASDAQ (and other markets?) and represents "more companies," "more diverse companies," and "more money" than the NASDAQ 100 and NASDAQ market alone.

Sorry. I had a postus interruptus and didn't finish my point about the markets.
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Market caps are not constant, of course, but I'm just going to go with the most recent figures I could find NASDAQ $22T and DOW $38T = 60T total.  That actually FAVORS the calculation towards Trump. (1% of $19T (older value) is only $1.9 B whereas 1% of $22T (more recent value) is $2.2 B.)  
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Trump edged out Obama by 6.7% of 22T =$1.47T and 0.03% of $38T = 0.114T. That is a total "edge" of $1.58T but that's on the total of $60T.
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(1.58)/(60) = 0.026; x100 = 2.6%, NOT 6.7%.  
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Accounting for the SIZE of the indexes, Trump's "overall" edge is only 2.6%. That's floating or hovering but NOT SOARING.
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(The DOW 500 includes some NASDAQ stocks that might include some of the NASDAQ 100 stocks. That is, there is some overlap in the $22T and $38T but we don't know which they are. Also, we don't know which overlaps are favorable to Trump and which are favorable to Obama. So I'm calling it a wash. If you can dig out more detailed data over the entire time period, you're welcome to do so.)

You "very clearly remember when Trump came into office, and the utter enthusiasm." Good for you. People remember what they want to remember. Let me guess: when you were a kid, you walked 5 miles a day to school and back, uphill both ways, in the snow, without shoes. What else do you and other MAGAs remember?
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1. "BIGGEST INAUGURAL CROWD **EVER**!!!!" "Bigger than Obama!!" Everybody remembers that! Sean Spicer told us! (So much utter enthusiasm!)
2. "Build The Wall!!" "Mexico will pay!!"  
(So much utter enthusiasm!)
3. "I ill bring back beautiful coal!!" (Loss of 12000 jobs over 4 years, 24% of the workforce.)
(So much utter enthusiasm!)
4. "GDP will be 4%, 5%, even 6%!" (It averaged 2.6% over 4 years compared to Obama's average of 2.5%.)
(So much utter enthusiasm!)
5. And on and on and on ... with utter enthusiasm.
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Are you saying that there was an initial, "utterly enthusiastic" blip in the markets as Trump took office? Such things often happen when any new president is elected. "Shiny new object!! Whoo hoo!" If that's what you are remembering, it was NOT SUSTAINED over 4 years. GDP? Same as Obama. Stock markets? Maybe 3% to 5% better than Obama but not "soaring." The Wall? 47 miles of new wall built. Mexico paid? No. Shrink the trade deficit? INCREASED by a lot (I "remembered" ~$200 B, but I would rather look up the actual amount: found it in 30 seconds: "U.S. trade deficit in goods and services in 2020 was almost $677 billion — the highest since 2008 and an increase of 40.5% from 2016.")  
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Bring back Manufacturing? I (and plenty of MAGAs) remember when Trump BRAGGED about convincing Carrier (air conditioning) not to close a US site and move 1400 jobs to Mexico. There was "utter enthusiasm"!!! A few months later, Carrier closed that US site and moved the manufacturing to Mexico. I remember that but MAGAs do not. Overall, Trump presided over SHRINKAGE of US manufacturing over 4 years.  
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Trump's plan to save American family farms? Trade war with China! The result: two years of record high small farm bankruptcies, DESPITE Trump providing tens of billions of dollars in bailout payments. "Utter enthusiasm!!" But Trump claimed that CHINA was paying the TARIFFS that partially paid the crippled farmers. No, US customers were paying the tariffs. With "utter enthusiasm"?
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But let me guess: You had a friend who knew a guy who knew a guy who had a cousin who worked at a gas station near a farm in Podunk and the local farmer bought diesel for his tractor at that gas station and, one day, said that he was having a good year under Trump. PROOF that Trump is an economic genie-ass with his trade policies and farm policies!! Express your "utter enthusiasm" to the ~1000 other farmers who went bankrupt under Trump.
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Your selective memories and anecdotes are self-deceptive and further misleading to others when you claim them as ""facts" about shit that [you] remember." "Memories" are not reliable. Properly sourced statistical data is more reliable.  
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MAGAs will believe anything and everything that Trump and his Fox and OAN spokesmen tell them. Wake up!

Don't spit shit, willy...eat shit!  Bitch about Real Economic Leader Joe until your dick falls off, nothing you can say will change that FACT.

Can't say I blame you.
But for those who want actual facts, let me point out that, in addition to unemployment being at a record low, wages are actually also up. There are no shortages of gasoline and baby formula either.
Please stop lying, Willy.

unemployment numbers are easily manipulated.  When Biden took over, the vaccine was not in regular use yet and many businesses were still closed down.  As people got vaccinated by Biden with the Trump vaccine, they started going back to work, so this drop in unemployment has nothing to do with Biden's economic policies, which have mostly failed, but more about workers getting their OLD jobs back after Covid was beaten down by the Trump vaccine. Notice the measuring stick has been manipulated to produce this result.  The only thing being measured is unemployment, not job creation.  In fact, much of the lower unemployment comes from layoffs and downsizing by companies that are shedding employees because of the slow Biden economy.  Dumb-shit Biden goes around touting "Bidenomics" is working, when the WSJ originally used that term in a pejorative way to describe Biden's failed economic policies.

The wage gap has narrowed, Some jobs once held by China came back. Wait til the infrastructure plan kicks in.
Suck on that righties..
"The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office predicted that it would not get below 4 percent until the end of 2025. Now, unemployment — the unemployment rate has been below 14 [4] percent for the last 19 months, the longest stretch in over 50 years. We've recovered all the jobs lost during the pandemic."