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And MANY, many more articles and commentaries by economists that say pretty much the same thing.
“Democrats love black voters as long as black voters do what democrats tell them to do”
Glenn speaks the truth! Not his truth (hate that fucking saying) but THE TRUTH!
PS what doooo the Dems have on Bernie?
And you're in luck!! He recently became a widower:
http://www.foxnews.com/media/glenn-greenwalds-husband-brazilian-politician-david-miranda-dead-37
And bad attempt at a dodge. Face it dear leader Joe (who is barely a closeted racist, we all know it, your side just won’t admit it in public) even said “if you have a problem figuring out wether you are for me or Trump you Ain’t Black”
So there ya go. Dear leader Joe is a racist. 😉 You cats with your media induced hatred of Trump will swallow any garbage pushed by the media. Trump may have any number of faults but he did not drive this country off a cliff like your idiot has done! What gets me is you cheer lead on the way to the crash at the bottom and you attack anyone of your own that point out that we are in a free fall!
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The DJIA plummeted from 33960 in Dec 2019 to 25944 in Mar 2020 under Trump. When graphed, that looks a lot like a cliff!
Looooser HATES facts like a vampire hates sunlight.
The DJIA plummeted from 33960 in Dec 2019 to 25944 in Mar 2020 under Trump. When graphed, that looks a lot like a cliff!
Intellectual dishonesty alert That was Covid you moron and you know it!
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Let me see if I have your take on this right:
If something BAD happens, you claim it isn't Trump's fault but it's just a bad accident or it is completely Biden's fault.
If something GOOD happens, you claim it's due to Trump's policies but is an accident of fate if it happens under Biden's leadership.
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--------------- Trump -------------- Biden
Good -------Good Trump-----good luck
Bad ----------bad luck----------Bad Biden
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Isn't that an example of INTELLECTUAL DISHONESTY? YOUR intellectual dishonesty?
LOOOOSER wouldn't know the truth if it bit him on his ass.
I have repeatedly said Trump has faults A LOT OF THEM!!! But ya wanna know what? Despite the almost instantaneous attacks on the man he pulled this country out of the Obama doldrums to prosperity. Which by the way lasted till the COVID PANDEMIC!
Then Biden who should not have even ran somehow gets installed an immediately kicks this country into a tail spin.
You can’t tell me your life was better under Obama worse under Trump an wonderful under Biden! You just can’t do it!
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I bet Not a one of you watched the segment did ya? No mention of how Bernie has sold the fuck out after repeatedly getting ass raped buy you dems!
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Obama inherited Bush's Great Recession -- THE cause of any doldrums -- and it took a lot of effort to recover from that.
Trump inherited the upward trending economic indicators established during the Obama administration.
Many economic trends remained the same, some improved slightly under Trump and some trends were actually reversed by Trump.
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The only reference I could find to "the Obama doldrums" referred to the earliest days of his first term when we were stuck in the Bush recession.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/09/05/trump-obama-economy/
The Trump vs. Obama economy — in 16 charts.
[Interesting ... manufacturing output SLOWED under Trump and the trade deficit under "I'm gonna get tough on China!" Trump INCREASED under Trump. Not in this WaPo article, but well reported elsewhere, Trump never saw any of the $200 B increase in exports to China that he negotiated with his pal Xi. The self-declared Best Negotiator had zero guarantees of anything in the deal and it amounted to a Big Zero.]
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http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/data-show-trump-didn-t-build-great-economy-he-inherited-n1237793
Data show Trump didn't 'build' a great economy. He inherited it.
"... But the real story of the Trump economy, and the president’s role in building it, is not so simple. If you compare key economic indicators from Barack Obama’s second term in office to the first three years of Trump’s time (that is, before the pandemic hit), the data show a continuation of trends, not a dramatic shift. It suggests Trump didn’t build something new; rather he inherited a pretty good situation.
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"... In 2016, Trump said he was unhappy that the country’s economic growth rate was under 3 percent a year. Trump said he thought the economy could grow at better-than-4-percent annual rate. But the numbers show that average quarterly economic growth under Trump, 2.5 percent, was almost exactly what it was under Obama in the second term, 2.4 percent. ... Trump didn’t get near his 4 percent figure. ... The [GDP] growth that began in Obama’s second term and essentially continued under Trump was enough to create an economy that even Trump believes was great. In other words, there might be something to be said for slow-steady growth over a prolonged period of time. ...
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"Job numbers for Obama and Trump show a similar story. ..." And so on for many other economic parameters and indicators.
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http://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-10-27/trump-vs-obama-who-really-did-better-on-the-economy
Trump vs. Obama: Who has the better record on the U.S. economy?
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"... Before COVID-19 made a mess of things, the U.S. economy under Trump performed about the same as it had during the last three years under President Obama. On some economic measures, it was a little worse, on others a little better — but on the whole, not markedly different. And it was a far cry from the best ever. ..."
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And MANY, many more articles and commentaries by economists that say pretty much the same thing.
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Stop repeating Trump's LIES without looking at the underlying data.

S U R E !!!
"... Before COVID-19 made a mess of things, the U.S. economy under Trump performed about the same as it had during the last three years under President Obama. On some economic measures, it was a little worse, on others a little better — but on the whole, not markedly different. And it was a far cry from the best ever. ..."
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And MANY, many more articles and commentaries by economists that say pretty much the same thing.
This is thr bullshit that the left wing media all tries to gas light is with.
This right here, from the article.
“The National Federation of Independent Businesses conducts a monthly survey asking business owners, “What’s the most important problem facing your business today?” Under Obama, they cited taxes and regulation as numbers one and two. After Trump cut taxes and slashed regulations, business owners cited finding qualified workers as their number one problem.”
That alone jump started the economy. The major fucking hamstringing that Obama did to the economy and national defense is still astounding to me.
Also the “in the name of environmental efforts” which had mass unintended consequences. F O R instance the mass attacks on the coal industry… A huge unintended consequence was the fact that we shut down the production of coal tar pitch in the United States. Now what you ask is coal tar pitch? It’s the binding agent used to make anodes in the steel and aluminum smelting industry. OK so what you ask? Well, after the United States got rid of their manufacturing capacity for this rare, but very very very critically needed item the only place we could get it was you guessed it, China or Russia or Ukraine! And guess what? WE SHRE AS FUCK aren’t getting any from Russia or Ukraine at the moment. So who do you think we now are 5000% dependent upon for this? Yeah you guessed it China and guess what since the invasion of Ukraine the price of this stuff has quadrupled, and we don’t have even the ability to start it back up , thank you Barack Obama for for fucking us once again!
But yeah… Obama did not hand trump a growing economy on a silver Plater.
the results of a poll on the opinions of small business people. Do you understand how irrelevant that is?
Then you cite regulations against coal tar pitch as if this rebuts the fact that the economy was growing anyway. Lame.
You really are TSTTT. Too Stupid To Talk To.
the results of a poll on the opinions of small business people. Do you understand how irrelevant that is?
Then you cite regulations against coal tar pitch as if this rebuts the fact that the economy was growing anyway. Lame.
You really are TSTTT. Too Stupid To Talk To.
Yeah guess what all of imps “talking points” are bullshit talking points spit out over and over by the anti trump media.
Here’s another little fact. Trump stopped the people mine in Alaska. That was HUGE but you wouldn’t even k ow what the gravity of that act is would ya?
Not to mention deplorable.
Please sign up for a brain transplant.
“Oh please don’t throw me in the briar patch icky!”
I’ll take deplorable from a looooser lefty any day of the week and twice on Sunday!
And still TSTTT.
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http://apnews.com/article/438fae12f9204b1fbd8e8b1985ae554f
US companies’ tax windfall fuels record share buybacks.
"U.S. corporations spent a record amount buying back their own shares last year, using 2017’s tax-cut windfall to reward shareholders rather than to invest or expand their businesses. Companies in the S&P 500 spent $806 billion on stock buybacks in 2018, blowing away the previous record of nearly $590 billion set in 2007. ..."
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"“Buybacks were again favored over dividends in both the rate of growth and aggregate dollars spent,” said Howard Silverblatt, senior index analyst at S&P Dow Jones Indices. ..."
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Or maybe you'll believe TRUMP on the effect of his own tax cuts and business credits:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-trump-buybacks/trump-slams-companies-for-using-u-s-tax-credit-to-buy-back-stocks-idUSKBN2173HY
Trump slams companies for using U.S. tax credit to buy back stocks.
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"U.S. President Donald Trump on Friday took Boeing Co and some airlines to task for buying back shares with the cash boost from a 2018 tax break, vowing to ensure that companies benefiting from coronavirus stimulus won't follow suit. ...
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"Corporations buy back their own shares as a way to invest in themselves. By reducing the number of outstanding shares, a company can boost its stock price, and it is one way corporations add value for shareholders. ..."
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"“I never liked stock buybacks from their standpoint. ****When we did a big tax cut, and when they took the money and did buybacks, that’s not building a hangar, that’s not buying aircraft, that is not doing the kind of things that I want them to do,” **** he said. ... “I am fine with restricting buybacks,” Trump added. “In fact, I would demand that there be no stock buybacks. I don’t want them taking hundreds of millions of dollars and buying back their stock because that does nothing,” he said. ..."
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http://www.spglobal.com/marketintelligence/en/news-insights/latest-news-headlines/us-coal-jobs-down-24-from-the-start-of-trump-administration-to-latest-quarter-61386963
US coal jobs down 24% from the start of Trump administration to latest quarter.
"Despite a campaign promise to put coal miners back to work and support "beautiful clean coal," President Donald Trump is on track to leave the White House with the nation posting the lowest coal production and jobs figures in recent history.
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""You watch what happens — if I win, we're going to bring those miners back," Trump said at a 2016 rally. ..."
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THAT didn't happen. Neither did many other things that Trump promised:
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http://www.cnn.com/2021/01/30/politics/trump-broken-promises/index.html
From building the wall to bringing back coal: Some of Trump’s more notable broken promises.
"While Donald Trump’s first campaign for president was all about change, his argument for re-election was based on the premise that he had delivered on his initial promises and would continue to do so. The campaign slogan “Promises made, promises kept,” became Trump’s rallying cry. ..."
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It's a long list!!! And it's a list that helps to explain what several of us think is a huge or ("I know words. I have the best words.") BIGLY problem. Lost, willy, followme, CDL, et al. accept a Trump tweet as gospel. "I built the wall!" "I brought back coal!" "I got rid of the trade deficit!" "I am God! Bow down to me!" ... and they will repeat: "Trump built the wall!" "Trump had the best economy ever!" "Trump cut the debt!" ...
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Trump did not bring back coal. Coal industry employment shrank by ~25% (~50800 down to 38000) under Trump. Some industry experts (technical, financial) saw it coming, but not Trump. Trump was going to bring back coal with bluster. Cheap, cleaner natural gas hastened the demise of coal. Platitudes and promises (despite weakening regulations and cheaper leases and so on) could not save coal. But Trump will campaign on "I saved COAL!" and his MAGA ("My Ass Got Arrested") will accept Trump on his (worthless) word.
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And to inicky's point about "You really are TSTTT. Too Stupid To Talk To." Although I "reply" (literally: hit the Reply or Quote button) to Lost, willy, et al., I know that I will not change their opinions on anything. Rather, my posts are directed at the readers who do not actively participate in the Forum. I do not them to be fooled by the misleading posts of Lost, willy, et al.. MAYBE they will follow up by reading the articles I cite and quote and find additional information on their own. At a minimum, I hope that they will realize that Trump is a one-man propaganda machine who has an army of sycophants who unquestioningly repeat his lies and spread them, even to TER.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Federation_of_Independent_Business
"On its website, the National Federation of Independent Business states that it is a "nonprofit, nonpartisan organization founded in 1943". In 2010, *****25 of its members, all Republican,***** were elected to the 112th Congress.
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"***There has been debate about how representative of American small businesses NFIB is, noting its very conservative and pro-Republican record.*** Since 1990, it has donated $725,551 to Democratic candidates and party committees versus $11,972,074 to Republican candidates or party committees. It was a key opponent of President Bill Clinton's attempt to reform American health care in 1993. ..."
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That's 94.2% of their "non-partisan" donations that go to Republicans. In 2022, it was 98.4% to Reps and 1.6% to Dems (opensecrets.org)! Most of their budget comes from donations from far right corporate donors and PACs, NOT small businesses. (In 2022, 98.3% of donations came from PACs / corporations; 1.7% came from individuals.)
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http://www.huffpost.com/entry/nfib-exposed_n_1917262
(Dateline 2012, but still interesting.)
NFIB Exposed: 'Voice Of Small Business' Is A Front, Group Charges.
"The same group that exposed the previously little-known American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) as a dominant force advancing corporate interests at the state level has now turned its sights on exposing the National Federation of Independent Business (NFIB). ..."
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"... The left-leaning Center for Media and Democracy has posted ... a study that reveals how consistently the NFIB lobbies on issues that favor large corporate interests rather than small-business interests; its thoroughly partisan agenda; and the millions it receives in secret contributions from groups associated with Karl Rove and the Koch Brothers. ..."
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"... Although NFIB doesn't disclose where it gets its money, some of its funders have to list their donations in public documents. The new website and other research shows that a big chunk of its budget came from the Donors Trust, a secretive conservative group that also funnels money to groups like the Koch Brothers' Americans for Prosperity Foundation, and from Karl Rove-founded Crossroads GPS."
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[Examples if information laundering = spewing corporate messaging under their "non-partisan" umbrella.]
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""They're actually throwing the voice of big businesses," said Graves. "That has an impact on media coverage. The media will highlight the perspective of the NFIB as if it were representative of small business." "
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To quote Richard Dawson, "Survey Says ...." exactly what they want it to say.
