So 15% of young Democrats can justify violence and that makes "Dems...The Party Of Violence?" ChicKenShit stretches like Gumby. But the 6% of young Republicans who support violence DON'T make Republicans the Party Of Violence. Got it, Gumby.

Exactly right.  It's a flawed, partisan conclusion to make. The entire poll was only 1,043 participants with a margin of error of 3.3%. I'm not sure how many participants were under age 30, or how many identified as Democrat vs Republican vs Independent.  It likely would take a very small number of participants to go from 6% to 15% so it's statistically insignificant. The good news is, of the entire poll universe, 89% said political violence is always unacceptable. I wish that percentage was even higher.

show that the number Dems who buy into the notion that Conservatives are Nazis and Fascists is falling as many Dems become more educated on the facts.  Wages are rising, and as working-class Dems see their incomes rise over the next three years they will realize that the Democrat way of the running the country is no good for average Americans who are not well off.  

The people being called fascist are the ones who are acting like fascists like trump and others in his MAGA regime.  If you read the definition of fascism trump et al meets all the criteria for being fascists.  

There were 1000 participants in the total poll, but likely very few in the category of Democrats under age 30. With small numbers in this subset the results would be statistically insignificant.  

He barely meets any. Fascism is a government where one leader or party has total control over the economy, the media, the courts and where people who disagree are jailed or murdered. Trump does NOT meet ANY of those criteria.
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As much as I despise Trump, he was elected through the democratic process. (Thats right Republicans! Elections are legit!) We still have our democratic systems intact during his presidency. Courts have ruled against him, the people are free to criticize him as you and I do every single day, and the press pushes back and fact checks his every lie. That sounds like fascism to you???
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Unlike Nazi Germany, Mussolini’s Italy or Hamas run Gaza, where opposition is brutally eliminated, the U.S. still continues to have its checks and balances, privately owned businesses, independent courts and free speech. I'm sorry Jazz but using the term “fascist” for Trump ignores all that and just makes us look unhinged by continuing to say it.

he sure as hell longs to be.

Victor Orban wasn't a fascist on day one, either was Putin. Its a build up. Test the norms, see how much you can get away with. And so far, the courts aren't stopping him, our safe guard institution, congress have surrendered.
You use the term " total control "....we're not yet, but give it time

Actually he does, Robert. A textbook definition of fascism is an authoritarian, ultranationalist, political ideology defined by a dictatorial leader, centralized government, and forcible suppression of opposition. Key characteristics of fascism include: dictatorial rule, hyper-nationalism, use of scapegoats, suppression of opposition, rigid social hierarchy, intense militarism, and controlled economy. I think trump and MAGA meet both the definition and characteristics of fascism albeit in a nascent form. Consider where the country is right now with only 8 months of trump's emerging fascist regime, and imagine where we will be in 48 months as trump's MAGA fascism metastasizes.

And something much different than what Jazz is saying. I agree Trump COULD be heading that way but he is clearly not there yet.

You are predicting he will be a fascist so then, by implication at least, you are stating he is not one now, as of today. You are essentially agreeing with Hyp, is how I take your point.
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There is also a massive problem when you use "textbook" definitions of highly complicated issues. What is the "use of scapegoats?" What is "rigid social hierarchy?" What is "intense militarism?" All those terms would have to be individually defined as they mean nothing by themselves.  
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Almost any president would be considered a fascist by those yardsticks. That's the problem with using textbook definitions. They are so vague, anyone can read into them anything they wish to make their point about any president they don't like.  
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Let's cut to the chase. Would you be in favor of removing Trump by ANY means necessary? If not then he isn't really a fascist or a dictator in your mind because violence would then be justified in overthrowing a dictator who robbed us of our constitutional rights. I don't see any serious constitutional scholar, right or left,  calling for rebellion, do you?

I think he is an amoral, unhinged, incompetent, criminal authoritarian and, yes, at best an emerging fascist. I could cite examples of how I think he meets both the textbook definition and characteristics of a fascist, but I am not trying to score debate points. Our democracy and our rights are under siege by trump and that attack will only get worse.  If you don't see the threat, I won't waste my time or yours trying to convince you otherwise. I believe vigorously opposing his agenda, protesting, pushing back, speaking out, exercising all our first amendment rights, educating the citizens, and winning at the ballot box are the appropriate actions against this threat.

I have said numerous times here he is evil. But words matter. When moderates and independents see us throw around words like Nazi or fascist, they lose their meaning AND they think we are grossly exaggerating. That’s not good for our side and it drives some of those people into his camp and it makes them trust us less.
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Bill Maher made the point years ago when some on our side called Bush the younger a fascist. Where did that get us? So Trump comes along, a real threat to democracy, we break out the fascist playbook again and people yawn. They have been desensitized to the word.

For me I'd rather err on the side of recognizing the obvious threat to our constitutional rights and to democracy by speaking out and acting early than silently accepting the gradual denigration of democracy. Fascist take-overs often don't happen over night but rather over time.  Fascists succeed when citizens sleep-walk their way and remain silent during the slow take-over until it's too late.

"First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Truer and more haunting words were never spoken.  In 8 short months this regime has gone after it's enemies including law firms, universities, government agencies, former and present government officials, the media, comedians, Democratic states and cities, and is not even close to being finished. There are masked federal agents and the military in the streets. It doesn't take clairvoyance to see where this is rapidly going. With far too many citizens there is denialism, minimization of reality, willful blindness, and a head up your ass mentality. Wake up America before it's too late.

are you contending are under siege by Trump?  You make generalized conclusory statements without any detail.  I think most reasonable people would like to know what these "rights" are that Trump is taking away from you.  Lefty loons always use the term, "rights", but then start naming things that are not conferred as rights under the Constitution, but rather are ideals just being made up by the looneys.  

I do not need to elaborate or defend my position to a mega MAGA minion like you. You will never accept my argument no matter how specific and compelling. I'm not going to waste my time trying to educate you. Nevertheless, I'll mention a few:

Birthright citizenship is still a constitutional right only because the courts have blocked trump's attempt to end this right by fiat.  Just because he has been stopped by the courts doesn't mean he hasn't attempted to take away that constitutional right by Just saying so. Attempting to take away a constitutional right by decree is what dictators and fascists do not leaders of a democracy.

This is exactly what I warned about last week. This is a dress rehearsal for Martial Law and suspending elections. There IS NO insurrection. Nothing even approaching it. This isn't even close to what was going on after the George Floyd murder.

of all for not defending or elaborating on your spurious claims of loss of rights, and that is, because you can't.  There's not a single FACT you can point to where any AMERICAN citizen has lost a Constitutional right under the Trump policies.  Yours are just the democrat talking points that they put out each day to the scores of low-information voters who will repeat them to other, much to their own embarrassment when confronted with the questions I posed to you.  

So you think citizens should only speak out when our rights are gone and your 'dear leader's' abuse of power is absolute and without question? So you think while our rights are under attack and power is being abused citizens should be mute because the authoritarian take-over is not complete. What a mega MAGA minion you are. ,

I'm challenging you to give specifics and tell us what things Trump has done so far that lead you to believe that he wants to take away rights of Americans like you and me.  Convince me with facts of what he has done so far that should make me worried, too.  What power has he "abused?"  Apparently, I'm blind to what these abuses are.  Please enlighten me.  You make all of these generalizations, but can't seem to point to anything specific that he has done that has gotten your panties twisted into such a bunch?  It makes you look like chicken little.  

"...you look foolish at the end of the day because you have no facts or examples to support it."

It's clear to anyone other than a mega MAGA minion that trump's game plan is to rule like a king. I don't need to convince you because you are unconvincible. So are the rest of MAGA cultists. The rest of us can see the havoc, chaos, confusion, and unconstitutionality of this lawless regime. The only people that need to be convinced are independent voters in 6 or 7 purple states. Based on polling these voters are already sure that trump and the MAGA movement are failing and ruling unlawfully and must be defeated at the ballot box.  

He makes them up himself!!!

Where were you guys when the covid lockdowns ramped up, when the fbi was investigating parents that spoke up at schoolboard meetings?  When the admin twisted the arms of FB and Twitter to silence ANYONE who might post something that went against the narrative?  When people who tried to gather at church were fined or arrested but people could go to multiple george floyd memorials?  Where were you when the government set up tip lines and encouraged citizens to turn each other in for being non-compliant with the policies that were made up by "science", not elected leaders?  

for a guy who is out of his depth, you should at least come armed with the facts that he doesn't have.  All you have is, but, but, but, what about you.  This exchange was not about any facts I stated, it was about Jazz's claim that Trump was taking away our constitutional rights.  My simple question was, "What rights of AMERICANS are under siege by Trump and in danger of being lost?  You show up with your dick in you hand instead of a coherent answer to the question.  I will accept your complete surrender on the question that you can't answer either.  That makes you a pretty pathetic white, knight, don't you think?  You show up at a gunfight with a rubber band and some spit balls.  

I'll give you this: you are skilled at avoidance and bullshit. No doubt from years of practice. In previous posts I've listed some of trump's many abuses of power, attacks on the constitution, and ongoing attempts to take away constitutional rights. You have responded weakly and impotently by never being satisfied with my argument or by saying rights haven't been taken away. Not yet anyway. Americans are living every day under this failing and lawless regime. These citizens will decide the results of the next election unless it's trump's plan to take that right away from us too. I'm sure you'd be just fine with that, wouldn't you?

then just provide a link to you saying this.   I have often used links to my own prior posts on TER to an answer I have provided before to a question that was asked before and is being asked again by someone else.  

Or, if you were being serious, you could go back a few posts and find them yourself. You replied to each and every one of them, so look at your own replies. But you are not serious. You are one of this board's least serious posters. This is all a game to you. Fortunately, the citizens in this country now know that this is an incompetent and lawless regimen and will vote MAGA republicans out of office.

You still haven't proven what "rights" he has taken away.    You brought up birth right citizenship which was/is being talked about and challenged in court because of terms/definitions.   Which is debatable how it was written.  Even the last time it was brought up in court it some of the descent talked about how it could lose.   Which is the angle this admin is using now.

Explain how it will be used for "Martial Law" and suspending elections..... seriously.    

Being attentive is not one of your strong suits, is it? I never said rights have been taken away. At least not yet. I said constitutional rights were under attack and cited several examples. I said trump is abusing power and provided my rationale for that opinion.  But let's make one thing clear. I'm not posting to try to convince you, or any of your MAGA buddies, of anything. There's nothing that would change your mind, and I have long since given up on trying to break the MAGA spell that you are under with facts and reason. So rant all you want. I don't care about your crazed thinking.

Your example was only birthright citizenship on this thread.   Which in the dissent the language was stated that it was "iffy' that it would hold up in the future.   Which is being contested right now.    

I'm not going to repeat myself, and I'm certainly not going to waste my time arguing with you. What part of that don't you understand?

He has directed the "Justice" Dept. go after the Democrats' primary fundraising arm.
Trump hates democracy.

...when you say: "But you are not serious. You are one of this board's least serious posters."

the creepy stalker again.  Is that the legacy you want?  I can be serious, have fun and still make your head explode when I trigger you.  Isn't that why we are all here, to have fun at YOUR expense?  

...being exposed every single day as a fucking liar.  And you're such a fucking moron that you think you can get away with your bullshit even though you always get caught.

Do you think Jazzy bothered to follow your links?

rights do you claim are being "under siege" OTHER THAN "Birthright citizenship" which is the only one you mentioned on this thread?  Are you admitting you have been exposed as a liar and you really have NOTHING to point to in order to back up your claim.  If that's the case, no need to respond because that's the impression you are giving.  A non-response would be a less-embarrassing confirmation that your claims were bullshit.  

It's so sad seeing how this is driving you MAGA types crazy. I'm not going to repeat myself, or what I've previously posted.  However, I will direct you to the first, fourth, and tenth amendments of the Bill of Rights. When it comes to abuse of power just leave your bubble and read the newspaper or watch legacy media. You have your marching orders. You're dismissed.  

Dictatorial much? From the Times:
"President Trump said on Wednesday that Gov. JB Pritzker of Illinois and Mayor Brandon Johnson of Chicago should be jailed, escalating his campaign of retribution against those he sees as his political foes.

This shows how delusional you and others are.    Again he is protecting FEDERAL BUILDINGS and FEDERAL AGENTS.... which he has the right to do by law.   As long as that is where he stays and he does.... only protecting those agents.   He isn't sending in thousands of troops.   The media and Liberals are making it seem this way..... he isn't.    But I digress.  

refusing to cooperate in keeping the citizens of Chicago safe and allowing the Federal Government to do their constitutional duty in that regard, the Dems will take another hit as a party.   Watch the approval polls dip even more.  Ordinary voters do not have security details and live in gated communities or fortified mansions like Pritzker does, and this disconnect on his part will reflect poorly on the Democrat Party as a whole.  Somebody should bitch-slap him and Johnson and tell them to work with the Feds to get crime out of their cities.

"Prior to that day, as the planning for the defense of Charlottesville proceeded, the local Anarchist People of Color Collective, or APOC, had requested that Redneck Revolt be present to secure Justice Park for a wide variety of activists who were expected to assemble," Dwayne Dixon told Harvard faculty members and students who gathered in February 2018 to discuss the merits of potential violent political activism. "

If Trump really wanted to keep "the citizens of Chicago safe" he'd send funds to hire more cops and send actual police to Chicago. Not National Guard who are not trained in most aspects of law enforcement.
But don't listen to me. Listen to this guy, who used to be a National Guard Major General.

First of all, I wonder if you even read the article you linked. Because NOWHERE did it say anything actually happened. It only says APOC "requested that Redneck Revolt be present." it does NOT say if they ever actually showed up.
Anyway, there was no gun-play at all. The only person killed was a left-wing protester who was run down by a right-wing nut. But in your world it's the lefties who are violent.
Please put down your Trumpian MAGA crack pipe.

And it ain't what you said. A NY Times/Sienna poll found:
"More than half of voters, 53 percent, think the process of deporting people has not been fair; 44 percent said it was mostly fair.

WHAT YOU MISSED and what I posted was that they (a professor) talked about VIOLENCE IN POLITICAL ACTIVISM..... This professor is discussing the merits of violence in political activism.   A PROFESSOR..... teaching merit to violence.....back in 2018.     He is a part of a self proclaimed ANTIFACISM groups.   He is promoting violence or "merit" of political violence activism.

U do know that Chicago's police budget is $2B a year.

I never believe any polls.   reason why is how do they ask the questions or frame them.

Consider this. Based on recent polling nearly 60% of Americans do not want federal troops in American cities. Many have suggested this is just performative. It is, but it's more than that. It's a show of strength and intimidation. It's a way trump hopes to get Americans complacent about seeing troops in the streets before he ramps up with active duty military. That's why there was that fucked-up meeting of Generals and Admirals in Virginia.  The regime hopes that protesters do not stay peaceful so trump can amp up the military and put down the protest. Before we know it there will be a "Four Dead in Ohio" mess on steroids and all hell breaks loose. It's what a fascist dictator like trump is salivating about.

The ones which come to conclusions that support your pre-existing beliefs.

...or else he's a fucking moron with a total lack of reading comprehension.

A Rutgers professor who did nothing but TEACH about Antifa subjects had his life threatened after being falsely accused by a Charlie Kirk-affiliated group of being an Antifa leader on campus. This included having his home address revealed. He was forced to flee abroad.
So much for all you peaceful righties who are SO besieged by violent lefties.

Ignore what I talked about.....

DID YOU FUCKING READ IT...... or read what I was talking about.

of being an Antifa member, then threatening him and his family with violence?
Check.

How about that meeting was to discuss what it actually was.    Getting rid of the WOKE in the military, going back to the PT standards of old, dress code, grooming standards, having all the branches with the same directive and direction, etc.

No i dont fucking believe in any polls.

Right here in this article is proving my point about LIES:

send more funds to a "Defund the Police City?"   Does that sound incredibly naive, or what?   Pritzker doesn't need the money personally, but Johnson could put in a new Olympic-sized swimming pool, and the city council can all get matching Ferraris.  

....Drew Barrymore isn't the flex you think it is.  Anyone other than Bigpoopy want to raise their hand for who's seen it?  Did you wait in line for the opening night of Barbie as well?

Which people were censored on social media..... Google, Youtube, Facebook, Twitter, etc.... All admitted to doing it.  

"The "snatching" people on the streets is a LIE..... they have warrants for these people". Um.... not always.

in a Missouri restaurant.  They should confine themselves to New England and West Coasts states where they are welcomed by locals.  What were they thinking going to Missouri?  Lol