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cks175 52 Reviews 1333 reads
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The ruling noted that these weapons are commonly available in other states and the ban constitutes a violation of Californians’ Second Amendment rights.

Judge Benitez’ life is an epitome of the American Dream. Born in Havana, Cuba, he immigrated to the USA and earned his Associate’s Degree at the age of 21. Then graduated from SDSU before going to Western State University College of Law.  He was appointed to the Federal Bench by George W Bush.

God Bless America

inicky46 61 Reviews 19 reads
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Seems like a classic example of states' rights vs. Federal rights. I'm guessing righties are all for the primacy of states' rights when it suits them.

cks175 52 Reviews 16 reads
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Unfortunately, states have a history of denying protections promised by the Bill of Rights. California would be smart to drop the appeal, as a negative ruling from the Supreme Court, should it get there), might overturn gun bans in all states.

CENZO1 162 Reviews 32 reads
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Well, I not a constitutional lawyer, so I really don’t know the answer to this question. We all hear about “gun control” and the Second Amendment and the right to bear “arms” but it does seem as though there are regulations limiting the type of “arms” that are out there. Totally automatic weapons are prohibited, as are things such as RPGs, bazookas, and the like. So who is defining what “arms” are? For the record, even though I am considered a  “rightie” I do favor a reasonable control of the type of weapons that are available to the general citizenry.

cks175 52 Reviews 24 reads
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I think handguns and rifles (up to semi-automatic) fall under the term “commonly owned weapons”, which Judge Benitez used in his ruling.

Steve_Trevor 29 reads
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which is somewhat apt: both can slice and dice people.  The AR15 is much more efficient at that, however, as it’s what it was expressly designed to do.  All of the people who’ve lost loved ones to mass murders committed with the AR15 will attest to that.

LostSon 43 Reviews 87 reads
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Posted By: Steve_Trevor
Re: Benitez compared AR15s to Swiss Army knives
which is somewhat apt: both can slice and dice people.  The AR15 is much more efficient at that, however, as it’s what it was expressly designed to do.  All of the people who’ve lost loved ones to mass murders committed with the AR15 will attest to that.
ohhhh Stevie... are you an anti gunner?

Lost Son

Steve_Trevor 61 reads
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mass murder.

 
There’s been limits placed on firearms for many years.  Over 85 years ago Congress placed a super-high (for its time) tax on short-barrel shotguns and rifles, machine guns, firearm mufflers and silencers.  A few years later SCOTUS ruled that there was no evidence that a sawed off shotgun “has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia,” and thus “we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument.”   A similar argument can (and has) been made for weapons like the AR15.  In 1968 Congress banned banned importing guns that have “no sporting purpose”.  Tell me what the “sporting” purpose of a gun like the AR15 has, apart from hunting and killing humans.  And as you may know, assault-style weapons like the AR15 were banned by Congress for 20 years.

 
So it’s not as if a lot of Americans, including Congress and SCOTUS, believe that the Second Amendment allows Americans to own weapons of any type, without reasonable restrictions.

LostSon 43 Reviews 18 reads
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Posted By: Steve_Trevor
Re: I’m anti
mass murder.  
   
   
 There’s been limits placed on firearms for many years.  Over 85 years ago Congress placed a super-high (for its time) tax on short-barrel shotguns and rifles, machine guns, firearm mufflers and silencers.  A few years later SCOTUS ruled that there was no evidence that a sawed off shotgun “has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia,” and thus “we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument.”   A similar argument can (and has) been made for weapons like the AR15.  In 1968 Congress banned banned importing guns that have “no sporting purpose”.  Tell me what the “sporting” purpose of a gun like the AR15 has, apart from hunting and killing humans.  And as you may know, assault-style weapons like the AR15 were banned by Congress for 20 years.  
   
   
 So it’s not as if a lot of Americans, including Congress and SCOTUS, believe that the Second Amendment allows Americans to own weapons of any type, without reasonable restrictions.
Ohhhh ok, so you're a guy who blams the item, not the person. Just so I have you on record you're also opposed to cigarettes, alcohol, pot, Automobiles?  

I mean there would be LOTS less death if those didn't exist and in the case of Automobiles then those should be regulated to electric self-driving models that are also electronically limited to never exceed posted speed limits?

Just checking

inicky46 61 Reviews 31 reads
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ALL the things he mentioned ARE regulated to one degree or another.
1) Automobiles are built to Federal safety standards. They must be registered with the state where they're driven and a driver needs to be over 18 and have a thing called a Driver's License.
2) Cigarettes are regulated, so is the sale of alcohol and, increasingly, pot.

inicky46 61 Reviews 31 reads
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has anyone had a problem in the country over having too few guns? And since there are no limits on how many guns you can have, what's the problem?

KCMOSHYGUY 11 Reviews 13 reads
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Posted By: willywonka4u
Re: If 2020 taught you anything…
…it should be that no matter how many guns you have, you always need more.
Only if you're a criminal or have a lot of enemies (which likely means involved in criminal activity).

LostSon 43 Reviews 23 reads
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Posted By: inicky46
Re: Since The Dimwit failed to notice...
ALL the things he mentioned ARE regulated to one degree or another.  
 1) Automobiles are built to Federal safety standards. They must be registered with the state where they're driven and a driver needs to be over 18 and have a thing called a Driver's License.  
 2) Cigarettes are regulated, so is the sale of alcohol and, increasingly, pot.
So are guns, this legislation is simply one state allowing its citizens to purchase an item available in other states. As for drivers licenses in most states its 16 years old  (sometimes 15 even  14 or 14 and 9 months)  "Dimwit"

inicky46 61 Reviews 23 reads
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which just changed to an unregulated handgun state.
Keep up, Lost.

LostSon 43 Reviews 20 reads
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Posted By: inicky46
Re: "So are guns?" Not in Texas,
which just changed to an unregulated handgun state.  
 Keep up, Lost.
If you are referring to Texas's recent adoption of concealed carry without a license, I am aware of that but that has zero to do with California gun laws. In addition, it does not impact the legal purchase requirements in Texas. Again... DIMWIT!

Steve_Trevor 25 reads
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as in, you’ve just destroyed the long-held Republican doctrine that each state should have the right to enact laws different from other states.

 
Do you realize you’ve just advocated that all states need to allow purchase of weed because it’s allowed in other states, and also allow the purchase of abortion services equal to those of the least restrictive state?

Steve_Trevor 21 reads
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SCOTUS has ruled that there are some types of hand-carried firearms that the Second Amendment doesn’t guarantee the right to own as they aren’t required by a “well regulated militia”.  And neither the Constitution, nor the Federal government by law, has defined what constitutes a “well regulated militia”.  That leaves the definition of a well regulated militia, and the firearms needed by such, up to the states and allows for different states to allow different types of firearms for their well regulated militias.  

 
Note also it’s “well REGULATED militia”, which makes it clear that states can impose regulations on their militias, including the firearms they use.  Also, the Second Amendment speaks to the right of people to keep and bear arms. It doesn’t say ALL kinds of arms.  SCOTUS has made it clear that the Second Amendment doesn’t apply to all types of firearms.  And California does allow its citizens to keep and bear arms, with some regulations.

MojoStu 14 Reviews 13 reads
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Too bad the lefties in here, like the indoctrinated millenials and gen z kids, have the attention span of a gnat and won't read past the first bullet point if they even get THAT far.

MojoStu 14 Reviews 16 reads
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But we all know I was never on it to begin with now don't we, buddy?

 
Hey maybe you'll talk me about Susan Rosenberg now? You know, the commie insurrectionist that you dodged me on forever? If I'm not mistaken, my asking you what your thoughts were on her actually LED to being put on your ignore list, am I right? Inky won't talk to me about her either. NONE of you fucking leftheads will. C'mon man, let's do this! I'll even start a new thread for ewe, whaddaya say?

Hpygolky 234 Reviews 47 reads
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Treat it like cigarettes. Make it hard as fuck to registration it, then have them wait 1 year...do gun suppression.

Steve_Trevor 47 reads
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You said:
“It defies all forms of logic that a document called the Bills of Rights would say, ‘You can do this, but not that. You can do this this way, but not that way.’”

 
Yes, that’s right. The Second Amendment (the one in the US Constitution, not the Virginia constitution btw) grants the right to citizens to bear arms.  It didn’t define what those arms are because it didn’t have to. The only firearms available at that time were single-shot muskets and pistols.  SCOTUS has ruled that limits can be imposed on what those arms are… by the Federal government, and by states.

 
It’s very simple. No need for 1000 words to try to explain around it.  Your argument is fundamentally flawed, and no excess of words will change that.

LostSon 43 Reviews 25 reads
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Posted By: willywonka4u
Re: Why do you want to deny people their Constitutional rights?
simple question Happy. Answer it.
That’s actually a really good question? Why do you guys want to stop the Citizenry from owning small arms?

Lost Son

impposter 49 Reviews 43 reads
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The ***Fifteenth Amendment*** to the United States Constitution prevents states from denying the right to vote on grounds of "race, color, or previous condition of servitude".
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15th Amendment:  
Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.
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Section 2. ***The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.***
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Direct election of Senators, established by the ***Seventeenth Amendment***, gave voters rather than state legislatures the right to elect senators.
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Women are guaranteed the right to vote in all US States by the ***Nineteenth Amendment***. In practice, the same restrictions that hindered the ability of poor or non-white men to vote now also applied to poor or non-white women.
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Adults aged 18 through 20 are granted the right to vote by the ***Twenty-sixth Amendment***. This was enacted in response to Vietnam War protests, which argued that soldiers who were old enough to fight for their country should be granted the right to vote.
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Protection of voter registration and voting for racial minorities, later applied to language minorities, is established by the Voting Rights Act of 1965. This has also been applied to correcting discriminatory election systems and districting.

Posted By: willywonka4u
Re: Why do you want to deny people their Constitutional rights?
simple question Happy. Answer it.
Many people have been asking that question of late, in particular because of the attempts by many states to limit and impede the right of citizens to vote as guaranteed by the Constitution.

Hpygolky 234 Reviews 19 reads
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Where do I say NO guns?? It'll just come at a cost, that's all.
Just a little gun suppression that's all....think of it was voter suppression...You could only but a gun between the hours of 1pm-9pm on Sundays. You have to count the beans in a jar to buy a gun,,,you know the story, right?

Hpygolky 234 Reviews 34 reads
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Both you guys, this is about assault rifles, see the OP.

LostSon 43 Reviews 20 reads
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Posted By: hpygolky
Re: Small arms are ok, hunting rifles are ok....you getting that?
Both you guys, this is about assault rifles, see the OP.
Small arms are broadly categorized as those weapons intended for use by individual members of armed or security forces. They include revolvers and self-loading pistols; rifles and carbines; sub-machine guns; assault rifles; and light machine guns.

So what's your beef with any of these? OHHH wait it's the potential danger they pose....  

and on that note, GO FUCK YOURSELF ! ! ! Cars pose a greater risk than guns do. Fuck Doctors kill more people than cars and guns put together.

inicky46 61 Reviews 16 reads
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But at least willy also told the writer to STFU.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 15 reads
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a stranglehold on California government for over a decade are arrogant to the point of stupidity, and rarely will see the big picture  I have to agree it would be the SMART move, but don't hold your breath.  Lol

Hpygolky 234 Reviews 22 reads
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That's your way of saying "I give the fuck up"...Then the limit free speech, that's a reach.
And boo woo with my "my constitutional rights bullshit"...that card has been played out.

Hpygolky 234 Reviews 13 reads
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Just like that maggot in Dirty Harry....wait for it....wait for it...lol

BigPapasan 3 Reviews 51 reads
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was asked for his opinion of Judge Benitez's comparison of an AR-15 to a Swiss Army Knife.  Bratton said:
"He's an idiot!  He's out of his mind!"

 
I wonder if Lost-His-Mind considers 40+ years cop Bill Bratton to be an "anti-gunner?

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 30 reads
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as a semi-automatic for public consumption.  The full auto version that we used in the military is a genuine assault rifle, the semi-auto, not so much.  There are hunting rifles that are a lot more accurate than an AR-15.  That's why military snipers don't use them.  

Steve_Trevor 28 reads
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when shooting people at close range and spraying bullets from a big ass clip into a crowd of people.  

 
But I’m sure the families of the victims are glad that the gun that killed their loved ones was only semi-automatic.  

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 16 reads
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So you REALLY want to ban ALL guns, because most guns are semi-automatic, just like the AR-15.  Clip size makes little difference.  If you had been in the military you would know how fast you can switch out an empty clip for a loaded one.  Its seconds, not minutes.

Steve_Trevor 12 reads
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Since clip size makes little difference, that means gun owners should have no problem supporting bans on large magazines.

 
You’ve also hit on a flaw in the argument that the authors of the Second Amendment intended that there be no restriction on the type of firearms that well regulated militias should be able to own.  At the time that amendment was written, all guns were single shot and took more than a few seconds to load. There were no mass shootings because a shooter could get off only one shot (two with two pistols) before targets could take cover or attack the shooter.  That means the only kinds of weapons that should be unrestricted, to uphold the intent of the founders, are those with clip size of one.  😏

Steve_Trevor 19 reads
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in terms of number of words. But a canon wouldn’t be too useful in hunting or self-defense.  

 
But the Second Amendment does address CANNONS, indirectly. It clearly is limited to bearable arms. I’m surprised you don’t know this, being a self-proclaimed expert on this amendment while you say I’m the dumbest poster here.  Maybe this will help:

 
“The term ‘bearable arms’ was defined in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008) and includes any ‘[w]eapo[n] of offence’ or ‘thing that a man wears for his defence, or takes into his hands’, that is ‘carr[ied] ... for the purpose of offensive or defensive action’.

 
Unless someone is The Incredible Hulk, I don’t think they’ll be taking a cannon into their hands.  

 
Heller also makes it clear that “laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms” are acceptable.  But you knew that, right?

GaGambler 58 reads
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No more than a cop can "spray bullets" from his semi automatic handgun.

 
If you are going to debate this topic PLEASE get the terminology correct.

 
Not to mention that changing a clip from a semi auto rifle aka "assault rifle) or a semi automatic pistol, like the Glock I carry with 17 round clips takes barely a second to accomplish. I could easily wreak as much havoc with a pair of Glocks (and a bunch of extra clips which are VERY easy to carry) as any "mass murderer" with one of those very scary looking assault type rifles, and at short range, like in a school or office building I am willing to bet I could do even more damage and I only have average skills with firearms. Well average for anyone with even basic military training in a combat MOS which excludes almost everyone on this board.

Steve_Trevor 50 reads
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Not very fast, huh?  Maybe you need more time at the range.  

 
Skilled shooters can fire 3 rounds per second from an AR-15, or about 30 shots in 10 seconds.  That would make for quite a spray of bullets into a crowd.  Or I should say, a deer.  Because these semi-automatic AR-15s are used only for stuff like game hunting, right?

 
You make a good point about big magazines in pistols, though.  Why are they needed, when it takes barely a second to change a clip? Surely that’s fast enough to protect yourself, and for hunting. Unless you’re hunting people I guess.

GaGambler 36 reads
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as can just about anybody else with even a modicum of skill with a firearm.  

 
As for large magazines in pistols, slaughtering unarmed victims is NOT something that was a consideration when designing these weapons. When someone is shooting back at you a second can seem like a VERY long time. Not so much when slaughtering unarmed victims in a school or other crowded venue. I carry a Glock with a magazine capacity of 17 and of course one additional round in the chamber. I carry one extra clip that is attached to the holster which gives me 35 available rounds. I would certainly hope that 35 rounds would be enough to get me through any emergency situation I might find myself in. and THAT is why I carry the weapon I do for self defense. I am NOT going to carry dozens of extra magazines with me, I am not going to war, I do however like the security of knowing that I can defend myself in "almost" any scenario that might occur. And YES, carrying a weapon has saved both my life and my property on more than one a occasion. You do you and rely on the police to protect you, and I'll do me and stay prepared just in case there really is no cop around when I need one.

 
BTW where did you get your stats about 3 shots per second? I know it's not from personal experience, so how do you know if the real number is not 4 rounds per second, or perhaps 5, six even??? Speaking from personal experience I can empty a 17 round clip along with the one in the chamber in about 3 seconds and still have half a chance of hitting what I aim at, at close range at least. The further out the target the longer you need between shots unless your name happens to be Martin Riggs of course. lol

impposter 49 Reviews 40 reads
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Steve_T said, "Skilled shooters can fire 3 rounds per second from an AR-15." He didn't say "most skilled" or "world record." Neither did he say "first time user."  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3gf_5MR4tE
AR-15 5 shots in 1 second with fastest shooter ever, Jerry Miculek (Shoot Fast!)
(He hit his target, something Steve didn't mention. Might be faster without aiming.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grgfKJT4Z48
6 shots on 3 targets in 1 second!  
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The Glock has a rate of fire of 1100-1200 rounds per minute  (wikipedia) = 1200/60 = 20 rounds per second. GaG doing 18 rounds / 3 seconds is plenty reasonable.

Posted By: GaGambler
BTW where did you get your stats about 3 shots per second? I know it's not from personal experience, so how do you know if the real number is not 4 rounds per second, or perhaps 5, six even??? Speaking from personal experience I can empty a 17 round clip along with the one in the chamber in about 3 seconds and still have half a chance of hitting what I aim at, at close range at least. The further out the target the longer you need between shots unless your name happens to be Martin Riggs of course. lol

GaGambler 77 reads
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I hope you aren't suggesting that he just pulled the number out of his ass because I don't see any links from either of you supporting that rather arbitrary sounding number.  

 
CDL has been taking a lot of heat for his "poetic license" and it's common knowledge that other posters like LTM&L simply don't care about the facts, I'd hate to think that we need to add Steve to that list, but so far I haven't heard a word from him defending the number he stated. If he is just going to "make shit up" then why should I treat him any different than the other liars on this board?

 
Lastly, I don't own an assault rifle of any kind but I have fired THOUSANDS of rounds with an M-16 both in semi-automatic and "full burp" mode, and I can tell you that simply stating "three rounds per minute" without qualifying the statement about under what circumstances and from what range seems like a number simply pulled from the ass of your good friend Steve. I will keep an open mind however if he'd like to back up that statement with a link.

Tonynoel 13 Reviews 22 reads
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Never try to have reasonable discourse with those who think that one can never have too many
guns or too much ammunition. After all, guns don't kill people; people kill people (plenty of those
deaths are suicides). Why create laws that make killing oneself or another person more difficult.
Interesting that we have more deaths by gun than any other Nation with our proportionate
wealth.

impposter 49 Reviews 47 reads
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In addition to wikipedia, http://eu.glock.com/en/products/pistols/g18
"The rate of fire in full-automatic-mode is approximately 20 rounds per second."
I haven't found data for semi-auto mode. However, it is mechanically capable of 20 rps without jamming or misfiring.  GaG squeezing off 18 rounds in 3 seconds seems reasonable to me.  
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As for the AR-15, we know from gun pro Miculek's youtubes, that the AR-15 can do 6 rps without any mechanical problems. For a mere mortal, non-pro shooter, 3 rps seems reasonable to me.

Posted By: willywonka4u
Re: a Glock can fire 1200 rounds per minute?!?!?
How? With a 1200 round magazine? Any semi-auto can only fire as fast as you can wiggle your index finger. Test it yourself with a metronome. At best I can only hack 300 bpm for a few seconds.

coeur-de-lion 400 Reviews 24 reads
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that a well-regulated militia did at THAT time was to line in in three lines one behind the other, the first line of 2-300 men files at the same time launching 300 rounds in seconds, then they kneel to reload while the second line fires over their heads.  Then the third line would advance to the front and fire, then kneel to reload.  By now the first line was reloaded and ready to fire again.  Ten minutes of shooting like this can result in a several hundred deaths.  You don't consider this type of warfare a "mass shooting?"  Do you think militiamen had inferior weapons to the regular army?  They were usually the same.  So if the regulars are now using M-16's with clips, why shouldn't the citizen-militia of which every adult male is technically a part of, own AR-15's, which are only slightly inferior to an M-16 because the AR-15 will not go full auto without an illegal conversion kit.  

Steve_Trevor 21 reads
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the collective rights position on the Second Amendment, which has been the dominant position of legal scholars for most of US history.  It holds that the Second Amendment applies only to use of arms by militias.

 
But I have to say, you’re more dense than I thought you were, to equate actions by hundreds of militiamen acting in their role as soldiers to the act of one person on a killing spree.  

 
The laws of the US today, also rulings by SCOTUS, make it clear that there’s firearms used by soldiers that aren’t protected under the Second Amendment.  

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 33 reads
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Back in the day, frontline troops were issued the M1 Garand semi-automatic rifle and non-frontline troops were issued 1911 pistols.  But it became evident that no one could hit anything with pistols, so non-frontline troops were then issued a a smaller rifle known as the semi-automatic M1 Carbine.  
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This was the precursor of the M16/AR-15 (AR does not stand for assault rife, it stands for ArmaLite Rifle, the designer of that platform.)  A lighter shorter rifle than previous versions, but more accurate to shoot than a pistol.
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So the AR-15 is therefore easier for anyone to shoot accurately than a pistol, and therefore a better defensive weapon.  The smaller lighter factor eventually overrode other benefits of longer heavier weapons and the M16/AR-15 platform became the main weapon issued to all troops.
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This is the reason is it also preferred as a civilian self-defense weapon and is the most popular weapon platform ever.  It is a compromise of several factors that hits the sweet spot of civilian home defense.  Even in your house you are better off holding and AR-15 than a pistol.  Even shooting from the hip your aim is going to be much better.
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Ironically, the M1 Carbine, a semi-automatic weapon, is legal in California and up until this ruling, the AR-15, of similar killing capability, was not -- because reasons.

LostSon 43 Reviews 20 reads
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Posted By: lester_prairie
Re: Why a rifle
Back in the day, frontline troops were issued the M1 Garand semi-automatic rifle and non-frontline troops were issued 1911 pistols.  But it became evident that no one could hit anything with pistols, so non-frontline troops were then issued a a smaller rifle known as the semi-automatic M1 Carbine.  
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 This was the precursor of the M16/AR-15 (AR does not stand for assault rife, it stands for ArmaLite Rifle, the designer of that platform.)  A lighter shorter rifle than previous versions, but more accurate to shoot than a pistol.  
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 So the AR-15 is therefore easier for anyone to shoot accurately than a pistol, and therefore a better defensive weapon.  The smaller lighter factor eventually overrode other benefits of longer heavier weapons and the M16/AR-15 platform became the main weapon issued to all troops.  
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 This is the reason is it also preferred as a civilian self-defense weapon and is the most popular weapon platform ever.  It is a compromise of several factors that hits the sweet spot of civilian home defense.  Even in your house you are better off holding and AR-15 than a pistol.  Even shooting from the hip your aim is going to be much better.  
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 Ironically, the M1 Carbine, a semi-automatic weapon, is legal in California and up until this ruling, the AR-15, of similar killing capability, was not -- because reasons.
Lester is right on with all of this.  

Also, a "Clip" is a device designed to hold 8 rounds of 30.06 ammunition for the M1 Grand rifle. A box magazine or simply "magazine" is what almost every modern automatic (or semi-automatic) rifle and pistol uses today.  

Steve Trevors endless points over these weapons of mass destruction should be gone for the greater safety are the opinions of many on the left! OH MY GOD take away these death-dealing devices and all the problems will go away. I remember Samantha Bee stating  "it's the guns" meaning that the guns were killing people. OK, my guns have never killed anyone. Let's just say draconin legislation comes down and we disarm the American public at large... let's just say. and if we did this Steveo do you think violence will be stemmed?  

In places like England where they have taken the majority of firearms away Knife attacks have gone through the roof. This is an article from 2015 and things have just gotten worse since then. so the bottom line is taking guns away just trades the type of violence and in this case, makes it worse.

Steve_Trevor 26 reads
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when was the last time there were 58 people killed—or even 49–in one attack by a knife-wielding killer in England, or in any country for that matter.

 
Then tell us how banning guns designed for military use, that can fire hundreds of shots in a few minutes, will make violence in America worse.

 
One more fact for those of you who hold the minority view that the Second Amendment isn’t only about firearms for militias:  if the signers of the Constitution believed that the Second Amendment granted the right of any American to bear arms, it would never have passed.  Think about that for a few minutes and you’ll understand why. But you need to think in terms of realities of the late 1700s, not in terms of today.  

Steve_Trevor 24 reads
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You’re a self-proclaimed expert in just about everything yet you can’t do a simple Google search.  Sheesh.

“Competitive shooters can fire at a maximum of three shots per second.”

BigPapasan 3 Reviews 55 reads
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You're so busy swapping spit with your BFF that you rarely criticize him for his lies and bullshit.  And you're too much of a gutless chickenshit to even refer to Cuck-da-Liar's bullshit as "lies."  You use the same bullshit euphemism as he does - "poetic license."  You really are a cowardly piece of shit.

 
You proved you're as big a liar as Cuck when you quoted Steve in the subject line of your post as saying: "3 rounds per minute."  Steve actually said "3 rounds per second."  Why did you misquote Steve?  Were you drunk, stupid or just a fucking liar like your butt-buddy Cuck-da-Liar?

-- Modified on 6/18/2021 5:26:14 PM

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 18 reads
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Happy Land Arson Fire of 1990 in NYC killed 87.  A man (Julio González) and a match.

lester_prairie 12 Reviews 19 reads
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There are approx 15,000 firearm homicides (not including suicides) in the USA per year.  There are approx 3000 arson deaths per year in the USA.  There is always a way to kill a lot of people if you are so motivated.

LostSon 43 Reviews 15 reads
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Posted By: Steve_Trevor
Re: Tell us
when was the last time there were 58 people killed—or even 49–in one attack by a knife-wielding killer in England, or in any country for that matter.  
   
   
 Then tell us how banning guns designed for military use, that can fire hundreds of shots in a few minutes, will make violence in America worse.  
   
   
 One more fact for those of you who hold the minority view that the Second Amendment isn’t only about firearms for militias:  if the signers of the Constitution believed that the Second Amendment granted the right of any American to bear arms, it would never have passed.  Think about that for a few minutes and you’ll understand why. But you need to think in terms of realities of the late 1700s, not in terms of today.  
The Knife attacks became way more prolific since guns were pretty much banned in England sooo Just because the attacks weren't in a spree of 20 or so people doesn't mean that they occur less. quite the opposite in fact. Also with the citizenry at large disarmed and unintended consequence burglaries and home invasions go up BY criminals who didint turn in their guns...

Violence in America has been made much worse by left-wing politics Nuff said there.  

And where did you get your History Degree? in the late 1700s everyone was potentially going to be a militia member as was the belief at the time.  

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Of course, you had no answer for my question, so you tried to divert.  

 
The death rate from guns in the US is 12.21 per 100k per year. In the UK it’s 0.23.  

 
Another interesting fact: in 2019 there were fewer deaths by knife attack in all of London than were killed in just TWO assault-rifle attacks in the US.

 
As for history… what else was going on in the new USA in the late 1700s?  And what kind of citizen would have never been allowed to own a gun by many states at that time?  And thus those states would never have ratified a Constitution that supported that kind of arms-bearing.  

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