"Yesterday, about 7800 evacuees left the Kabul airport. About 28,000 have been evacuated since August 14.

Yeah OK.

Both the guests pointed out how actually we are ding much better than what the media is portraying.
Matthew Dowd was ripping Dubya for where the blame really belongs!

Dubya's crew said no according to The Times.
"When American bombs began to fall in Afghanistan after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, many Taliban members fled Kabul within weeks and soon the group was reaching out to Hamid Karzai, who would become the country’s interim president: They wanted to make a deal.

that they don't know how many Americans are still in Afghanistan.  If you don't know how many, then you don't know who they are or where they are, and if you don't know who or where, how the fuck do you rescue them?  

These Republicunts will not put the blame there.
Matthew and the other guest made an additional point: Mosty the same people that advised Dubya and Obama are criticizing Biden. But they are the one got it wrong over and over, why should we listen to them?

agreement, but why didn't he find out what Trump's plan was for handling the logistics.  All he had to do was ask around to people in Trump's administration.  It was NOT a BFS.  No, the reason this is a clusterfuck is because the LEFT will not do anything where Trump might get some of the credit, so they are going ahead with NO plan rather than use Trump's plan.  

And stop beating off imagining Americans dying.

And there was zero cooperation between the Trump administration and Biden's team for weeks?
You have your answer.
Also, your military prescription is lame, hollow and simplistic. Makes one wonder if you were ever in the military.

of what can be accomplished with overwhelming force in a matter of days.  Trump would have the balls to do it.  Biden doesn't.  Remind me again about YOUR military service?  

Desert Storm was NOT "accomplished with overwhelming force in a matter of days." It took MONTHS of military buildup and WEEKS of bombing before the final, 100-hour ground assault. Now, please stop playing the military expert. It just makes us more certain YOU never served.
Here's a brief summary. Now educate yourself:
"The Gulf War (2 August 1990 – 28 February 1991), was a war waged by coalition forces from 35 nations led by the United States against Iraq in response to Iraq's invasion and annexation of Kuwait. The war consisted of two phases the first was codenamed Operation Desert Shield (2 August 1990 – 17 January 1991) for operations leading to the buildup of troops and defense of Saudi Arabia. And the second was Operation Desert Storm (17 January 1991 – 28 February 1991) was the combat phase.  
The initial conflict to expel Iraqi troops from Kuwait began with an aerial and naval bombardment on 17 January 1991, continuing for five weeks. This was followed by a ground assault on 24 February. This was a decisive victory for the coalition forces, which liberated Kuwait and advanced into Iraqi territory. The coalition ceased its advance, and declared a ceasefire 100 hours after the ground campaign started. Aerial and ground combat was confined to Iraq, Kuwait, and areas on Saudi Arabia's border."

Gawd, you're confused as fuck. But CDL thanks you for trying to come in and clean up his mess.

one year of ROTC in high school.  He was in ROTC because he was a spaz who was afraid to take regular gym class.  Guys like him took ROTC to get out of gym class...and to wear those "cool" uniforms.

Try to denigrate those that did.  When I went for Desert Storm, yes, I was there for about three months before the actual campaign started, but as you say, because you read it somewhere, it was just a few days to push them back into Iraq and recapture the Kuwaiti oil fields, and then I was there another 4 months before it was time to come home.  Its not like we were sitting around, there was equipment to secure and prepare for transport, so we were still busy AFTER WE WON.  Biden leaves Afghanistan a Loser.  We knew about the bombings to soften the targets.  The bombers would fly over us coming and going.  When in a combat area, your perception of the campaign often depends on what part you played.  Obviously, those in armor or artillery battalions may see the ground war differently than those of us in infantry battalions.  I was called up and deployed as a reservist.  By then, I was no longer active duty.  I remember that just about all of us were pissed off at the cease fire.  We wanted to keep advancing right into Baghdad.  Thank you for the cut and paste.  Those that didn't know any of this already should understand a little more from your ability to look up stuff that you have no personal experience with, whether its military service or pussy.  Lol

But did you have to be so long-winded and self-serving about it? Because what you just did was ADMIT, despite your supposed experience, that your first post TOTALLY MISCHARACTERIZED the war you say you fought in.
Dude, that's simply beyond embarrassing.
Now please explain how your first post got it so wrong.

1) It wasn't "our military equipment." It was shitty old stuff we bequeathed to the Afghan Army. We didn't leave anything we wanted. I saw a video today of some of it, which included a bunch of AK-47s, helmets and radios. The planes were Brazilian prop planes, two ancient C-130s and some old choppers. We can easily blow it up AFTER we get everyone out.
2) If we blew it up with air strikes the Taliban wouldn't have let us evacuate tens of thousands of people without firing a shot.
3) The Chinese have no interest in any of this stuff you complete dimwit. What they have is MUCH better. They have also proven to be shitty at reverse-engineering military hardware they've stolen. Their jet engines are weak and can't adequately power the Russian planes whose plans they stole. Their aircraft carriers are rebuilt old Russian stuff that's 30 years old.
4) You are a poisonous, treasonous piece of shit. Also really, REALLY stoopid. It's one of the few things GaCloaca and I agree on.

my first post of one sentence was not comprehensive enough, and then you ALSO complain when I expanded on my views and you call it long-winded.  If you want to sit face to face sometime and talk about what happened without YOU being the one to have to look things up, I would be happy to meet you.  My first post was one sentence about the war.  It was short.  You admit it was short.  You want to include the preparation and the clean-up?  That's fine.  I was talking about the actual combat, and you know it.  You don't know shit without researching it.  THAT is beyond embarrassing for a guy your age.  

A simple apology would have sufficed.
And, by the way, I didn't need to do much research on the Gulf War in order to know the timeline because I was actually alive then and well recall the fine CNN coverage. I was a strong supporter of that war and have long said Bush's stewardship during that time was a triumph.
As for "actual combat" I think the Air Force pilots who flew in over Baghdad for weeks might disagree with you. Face it, you are a REALLY shitty military historian and do yourself no favors in seeking credibility about your service. Now THAT'S beyond embarrassing.

1) It wasn't "our military equipment." It was shitty old stuff we bequeathed to the Afghan Army. We didn't leave anything we wanted. I saw a video today of some of it, which included a bunch of AK-47s, helmets and radios. The planes were Brazilian prop planes, two ancient C-130s and some old choppers. We can easily blow it up AFTER we get everyone out.  
2) If we blew it up with air strikes the Taliban wouldn't have let us evacuate tens of thousands of people without firing a shot.  
3) The Chinese have no interest in any of this stuff you complete dimwit. What they have is MUCH better. They have also proven to be shitty at reverse-engineering military hardware they've stolen. Their jet engines are weak and can't adequately power the Russian planes whose plans they stole. Their aircraft carriers are rebuilt old Russian stuff that's 30 years old.  
4) You are a poisonous, treasonous piece of shit. Also really, REALLY stoopid. It's one of the few things GaCloaca and I agree on. Get your head out of your ass.

suffice, but I won't hold my breath.  I always thought that military service was something you respected.  Apparently not.  My DD 214 says I came back from the war 10% disabled, but I never asked for benefits that I was entitled to.  It was my privilege to serve my country.  Go ahead and add another snide remark.  You're starting to look like you-know-who.  

Basically, the Saudis agreed to the funding. At the time of the Maddow report, the Pentagon and Saudi officials were working out the details.

1) Bernie Shaw.
2) I put quotes around that article so no plagiarism involved. Making you a LIAR.
3) You claim to know things about me but you're WRONG in every case, so go fuck yourself, you lying piece of shit.

proved you didn't know shit about this until you looked it up.  Geez, you copied it word for word and then tried to take credit for how much you know about the Gulf War.   Shit like this insults all veterans, not just me.  Keep that in mind when you dip into your sleaze bucket for snide remarks about military service.  When I was a kid we didn't have an internet for instant research to try to pass ourselves off as educated, so we were encouraged to learn about history.  This revelation from Lost makes you look like a compete fraud when it comes to history.  

old choppers?.  The Taliban now has more state of the art blackhawks than our ally, Australia.  Why do you think they aren't allowing any more Afghans to go to the airport?  Its because some of them know how to fly these babies and the Taliban needs these Afghans to train other Taliban to fly them.  They will threaten to kill the families of these guys if they don't cooperate in the training.  Get it?  

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/8/7/kabul-blast-claimed-by-taliban-kills-afghan-air-force-pilot
Kabul blast claimed by Taliban kills Afghan air force pilot
"... The Taliban has confirmed a programme that would see US-trained Afghan pilots “targeted and eliminated”. ..."  
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCQnskv7OZ4
Reports: 7 Afghan pilots assassinated off-base
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Apparently, the Taliban did not get CDL's memo on this topic.