...Trump couldn't give a shit about being President.  The slacker-in-chief cares more about playing golf, something he said he wouldn't have time for if elected.

"the Art of the Deal?"  Could you be forgetting all the sound bites of Trump on the campaign trail?  Trump is the great negotiator!  He makes deals!  Always in the center of every deal, orchestrating the give and take of deal making, Trump would never allow our government to shut down.

Obama is the worst negotiator I have EVER seen. What he never understood, and what Trump knows like the back of his hand, is that you ALWAYS leave your options open, and you can't be afraid to walk away from a BAD deal.

In anything,Example, first he wanted a bipartisan bill on DACA, a bill full of "Love", then Cotton twisted his ear and now he's a hard ass on DACA. Health care, again watching from the sidelines.....Nobody knows where he stands ...Let him play golf.

C’mon Jack you know better than to spew this utter bull shit.  That said, I guess you aren’t much of a negotiator either.  The fact is you simply cannot win a negotiation by “leaving your options open”.  That's the opposite of negotiating and basically means you give up.   Nor can you win when you walk away from the table entirely, which is exactly what Trump did in a very obvious “duck and cover” dodge to try and avoid blame.  Trump just proves again that he is totally lacking in leadership.

You forgot to mentions how the president of Mexico, told trump to basically  "Go fuck yourself" with that, "And Mexico will pay for it" wall nonsense. How's that negotiation working out? Funny you didn't mention that.

You think your response makes any sense???
It's shows more of your stupidity.

There you go again Duncy!  Trying to deflect with your typical Obama ploy.  Empty rhetoric as always.  Stay tuned as the CURRENT president flip flops like dirty laundry twisting in the wind.

spell; flip flop, deflection, evasion?  Could it be; H-E-L-L-E-R?

Not surprising, especially here on TER, where so many know how bad it is to negotiate with hookers while at the same time claiming they have never done so. LOL

Sorry Jinx! I'm afraid he doesn't!

"C’mon Jack you know better than to spew this utter bull shit." He has spewed it so often, it appears he just boil-plates it time and time again.

But let's be honest; that was never a negotiation between Trump and Mexico, Hyper. It never got that far.

and I am well on the record about being against the stupid border wall as well.  

Negotiation never got that far because I'm sure during the campaign, trump got word that it was NEVER going to happen with Mexico footing the bill for the wall and him being elected.  
But it also speaks volumes as to who the trump supporters are.. There's about a 30% group of trump supporters that actually believe this BS about the wall, I mean they take this shit to bed with them. They actually believed this nonsense.
Without this crazy rhetoric about the wall during the campaign I don't think these loonies would have voted at all. trump knew that this "wall shit" motivated his base, every pit stop trump made, it was the "Wall", you never seen a rally where that wasn't the theme.
The Obama "Keep your doctor" wasn't harped on constantly, and it didn't win him the election, He didn't campaign on that message.
Bottom line, it shows how naive, mis-informed and I hate to say this but there a flash of racism here. I'm trying to avoid that term but those supporters have got to be the some real dumb shits. Even you have to know that.

Imo, Trump's hard core supporters really don't give a shit about the wall. This is a case where his supporters and many others in the R party take Trump "seriously, but not literally." (Not sure who came up with that phrase but it was brilliant.)

How lucky is that, to get the one and only person who wants that wall.... Really you don't think there's more like him?
Jack, to make it easy on you, trump got 62mil votes, of those, you don't think 20mil cast their vote solely on that wall being built? I think sometimes you're blinded by your adulation for trump.
i'm sure crossing have slowed now as with Obama deportation was the highest...okay now what?
And now we're playing word games here,30 foot wall vs a fence, okay.. have it your way. Obama,Clinton, Carter....
And I don't think Obama mentioned 27 times about keep your doctor during the 2008 campaign. That was said after the election when he was pitching the ACA in 2009, But if that's the lie that you want to base this argument on, fine.
But I'd love to see where you pulled that out of.....or never mind that's between you and your....

I happen to be one of the best negotiators in my field.   I negotiate deals every day all day long. Your understanding of the art is simplistic and ignorant.  If my opponent gets up and walks away to “test my resolve” as you say I’m very happy because at that point I know their position is weak and they are as full of shit as you are.   I simply stop talking to them until they beg me to return their calls.  

of your valuable time, Jinx.  Very altruistic, but you should know by now, "Duncy" does not even talk a good game.   He rarely makes any sense.  He probably did not even take notes when you tried  in such a noble way to educate him.  Either that or he shut down completely, as once he has made up his mind, he is rarely open to input from others.  

My foot is getting tired of kicking your ass. LOL

No I don't think you're stupid.  
 I can see when your assumptions about  me are  way off channel, in your defense you sometimes jump to conclusions  in a naïve  sort of way, then again, this time you used  "seems"  to cover your bases.

...Forget about arguing with Jack his reading comprehension is non-existent even the articles he posts counter his point, the entire reason for his posting is for him to believe himself a "winner", I guess that is just one more thing for him to be wrong about.

and has Stormy visiting him on Friday for a night of sex and booze!     Tab:  $260,000!     Mar A Lago will bill the charges for the entire stay of the Clown to US Government that will include $260,000 under "miscellaneous security for the President".

Maybe you should work on your own reading comprehension snowflake? Ha!

Watching you unilaterally declare victory is adorable.  But there's only one problem.  How could we "give" them something that was already theirs? The answer is, we didn't.  We returned their property to them in an agreement that included the other major world powers.  And what we got in return was worth it.  
So once again you over-simplify a complex negotiation to make a cheap debate point.
Were you the Captain of your High School debate team?
I'm guessing you didn't quite make the cut.

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Probably going to get a little Stormy down there..

None other then our fearless leader.Let's see who he blames now? Gee let me guess...Now was the time for trump to lead. Public perception will lay this on the republicans and rightly so, they haven't passed anything except the tax bill to please their donors.
This could be the first time a party who has control of the government, suffers a shut down.  
DACA was set with a bipartisan bill to present to trump, then trump started listening to the most extreme right. Maybe there'll be an extension, but lawmakers will finally have to make a decision on DACA.  
Happy Anniversary...Mr. Deal maker...still sitting on the sidelines.

eh "Duncy!"  Could you be shooting blanks in more ways than one?  At least you keep trying, but sadly, with each try, you only reveal just how out of touch you are.

You forgot one....remember right before Trump told Obammy to get the fuck out of my house?

I sure know better than to try and wnl an argument with you.  Just a small point.  You do realize that Hanson was critical of the Paris Accords because they did not go far enough to fight climate change, right?  But they were a step in the right direction, unlike your daddy figure Donnie’s plan.

I see.  Guess we all must choose the exercises that suit our own personal fitness plans.  But must remind you, if you are trying to get "Duncy" to open his mind, you better bring the largest/heaviest crow bar you can find.  Opening his mind is much more difficult than prying open a six foot clam, that is shut air-tight, and in the most defensive posture possible, protecting itself from an outside predator.

I hope you get a chance to see the 2010 documentary “The Wall” .   Its about an attempt at a wall during the Bush and Obama years.  It was dIsaterous.  Dems, Repubs, illegals, Coyotes, Civilian Militia, USBP agents, Californians, Texans, the list goes on and on that were interviewed all agree that a wall is a really stupid idea.  In fact to get it done we would literally have to give thousands of acres of land back to Mexico.  Real Estate genius, my ass.  

a shithole like ALL other cities run by dems

... shutting down the Federal Government, denying millions of employees their salary while the three branches get paid tells something very fundamental:

The choice is an easy one, I'll take the Big Easy every time.

I like NO, but just like Vegas 2-3 days and I gotta get the hell out of there...