Write Review
2,075,448 Total Reviews 3,691 New Reviews
12,114 Users Online

Politics and Religion

Someone help me out here.
St. Croix 1141 reads
posted
1 / 19
Apple versus the Government

http://www.yahoo.com/politics/apple-vows-to-fight-federal-order-to-share-san-124228263.html

GaGambler 159 reads
posted
2 / 19
My kneejerk reaction to this is one of mixed emotions

but after putting a bit of thought into it, I find myself agreeing with Tim Cook.

I think we should do everything we can to combat terrorism, but is there any end to how many of our freedoms we are going to give up in order to feel safe? I applaud Apple for saying there is a line they will not cross, when I think of all the attacks on our privacy and our freedoms because of The Patriot Act, I find it a bit refreshing that at least someone is saying ENOUGH

Timbow 118 reads
posted
3 / 19
I bet Apple will lose. E

Posted By: St. Croix
 
   
 http://www.yahoo.com/politics/apple-vows-to-fight-federal-order-to-share-san-124228263.html

Fancy8888 See my TER Reviews 142 reads
posted
4 / 19
No privacy no more..

Posted By: St. Croix
 
   
 http://www.yahoo.com/politics/apple-vows-to-fight-federal-order-to-share-san-124228263.html

St. Croix 175 reads
posted
5 / 19
The intrusion of government is just getting absurd

First, I don't even know if the government can compel Apple to develop a tool/product or updated IOS to allow them unfettered access. Kudos to Apple for making a secure technical product that gives me a certain level of privacy when using it. Plus, the Feds don't do a good job of protecting our data as it is. Look at the hacking at the IRS.  

It's amazing how polarizing this topic has already become. Similar to guns and abortion. It's being framed as a yes or no proposition, no middle ground.

And while this topic has gained front page news, there are serious discussions to discontinue the $100 bill. Various agencies in government used the term "illicit activities" as the reason to discontinue the $100 bill. I'm all for a digital world, to a point. Think about the implication, just about transaction has a record. Vegas would cease to exist (lol).
Posted By: GaGambler
but after putting a bit of thought into it, I find myself agreeing with Tim Cook.  
   
 I think we should do everything we can to combat terrorism, but is there any end to how many of our freedoms we are going to give up in order to feel safe? I applaud Apple for saying there is a line they will not cross, when I think of all the attacks on our privacy and our freedoms because of The Patriot Act, I find it a bit refreshing that at least someone is saying ENOUGH

2236707 3 Reviews 166 reads
posted
6 / 19
I don't understand how a court could order a company to design new software.

Not a lawyer, but can a court order SpaceX to design a Mars rocket if the government says it needs one? Can you order someone to build a wall, fly a kite, or jerk off to the tune of 'Oklahoma'? Sounds like forced labor.

marikod 1 Reviews 182 reads
posted
7 / 19
I’ll take that bet. This is just an order from a magistrate

who does not understand the law.  

       The All Writs Act permits the issuance of writs only where the right to have the writ is “indisputably clear”  and there is no other remedy. Any notion that the FBI can compel a company to write software that does not currently exist (according to Tim Cook) so the FBI can conduct a fishing expedition on an I Phone is not “indisputably clear” to put it mildly. And there is another remedy- just enter the password. Duh.  Just bc the FBI has not found the password so far does not mean there is no other remedy – it just means they don’t hack very well.  They should hire North Korea to do it for them – those guys had no problem figuring out the passwords of many of our companies and government agencies.

      Motion to quash incoming

brooks5 206 reads
posted
8 / 19
agree, I would love to see that contract


END OF MESSAGE

2236707 3 Reviews 163 reads
posted
9 / 19
Terrorism & asymmetrical warfare are in the process of making the masses

clamor for a 1984 Society.

RRO2610 51 Reviews 148 reads
posted
10 / 19
Re: The intrusion of government is just getting absurd

Posted By: St. Croix

 And while this topic has gained front page news, there are serious discussions to discontinue the $100 bill. Various agencies in government used the term "illicit activities" as the reason to discontinue the $100 bill. I'm all for a digital world, to a point. Think about the implication, just about transaction has a record. Vegas would cease to exist (lol).  
   
Posted By: GaGambler
but after putting a bit of thought into it, I find myself agreeing with Tim Cook.  
     
  I think we should do everything we can to combat terrorism, but is there any end to how many of our freedoms we are going to give up in order to feel safe? I applaud Apple for saying there is a line they will not cross, when I think of all the attacks on our privacy and our freedoms because of The Patriot Act, I find it a bit refreshing that at least someone is saying ENOUGH
   If I had either of your kind of bank I would have been long incensed for ever subjugating the American public to a measly $100 bill. In 1932 $500 and $1000 silver certificates were in general circulation, and you could buy a fuck'n LA mansion for $30,000. The people's money should controled by the people!  

  Apple just gained a truckload of new respect from me.

JackDunphy 157 reads
posted
11 / 19
Someone help me out here.

There is a court order for Apple to comply.

How is this any different than LE getting a court order to check someone's trunk of their car?

What if a car maker made an impenetrable trunk? Do we believe that should be legal? Wouldn't that allow criminals to commit crimes with impunity by hiding evidence in there ike a gun or body or whatever?

I am asking here bc I really don't know and this is a hard question.  

As GaG said, I have mixed emotions as well but why can't we gain access to a known terrorists phone again?

Where is my analogy wrong?

2236707 3 Reviews 168 reads
posted
12 / 19
I think LE could get a search warrant to bust open the trunk if owner refuses to open it.

Also here Apple did not hide evidence in the trunk and then lock it. Apple just sold cars that have trunks that lock.

JackDunphy 141 reads
posted
13 / 19
No...

Apple sold cars with an impenetrable trunk.

Timbow 158 reads
posted
14 / 19
I bet in the end Apple will not beat Feds if they want info on that phone. E

Posted By: marikod
who does not understand the law.  
   
        The All Writs Act permits the issuance of writs only where the right to have the writ is “indisputably clear”  and there is no other remedy. Any notion that the FBI can compel a company to write software that does not currently exist (according to Tim Cook) so the FBI can conduct a fishing expedition on an I Phone is not “indisputably clear” to put it mildly. And there is another remedy- just enter the password. Duh.  Just bc the FBI has not found the password so far does not mean there is no other remedy – it just means they don’t hack very well.  They should hire North Korea to do it for them – those guys had no problem figuring out the passwords of many of our companies and government agencies.  
   
       Motion to quash incoming.  
 

2236707 3 Reviews 216 reads
posted
15 / 19
I don't mind a narrow precedent that says that when LE has solid evidence that some bastard is a

murdering terrorist then LE can search that bastard's phone with a magic unlocking key. The uproar of Snowden's revelations etc is the claim that LE takes those kinds of privileges and runs amok. Not clear yet in this Apple matter whether just because LE gets a magic key for this phone whether that means LE truly could use it on everyone elses. So it all boils down to whether we want to ever trust the government to behave responsibly. Isn't there some secret super duper security court that hands out secret permission to spy on people, assassinate people, etc? Do we ever trust anyone in government to get it right? Ah shit, we're fucked

nuguy46 163 reads
posted
16 / 19
Apparently Apple has opened over 70 OTHER phones for the Govt (e)


END OF MESSAGE

belindabell See my TER Reviews 124 reads
posted
17 / 19
WRONG!

It is penetrable.  All you have to do is enter a code.  The FBI could not figure out that code.  If they want access to that iPhone, all they have to do is decipher the code.  Why don't they create their own back door?  

I have mixed feelings same as GaG.  Where does every citizens rights to privacy end when it comes to safeguarding the masses?  Once the back door is created,  privacy and the right to privacy will be gone and I fear there will be no going back.  

I believe we have to go backwards before we can move forwards

belindabell See my TER Reviews 185 reads
posted
18 / 19
There is a difference between figuring out passwords on 70 phones

than creating a back door that will open hundreds of thousands of phones to not only the gov't but every  
person on the Earth

Timbow 163 reads
posted
19 / 19
Read this as seems there may be a way.....

http://blog.trailofbits.com/2016/02/17/apple-can-comply-with-the-fbi-court-order/

Quote:
Again in plain English, the FBI wants Apple to create a special version of iOS that only works on the one iPhone they have recovered. This customized version of iOS (*ahem* FBiOS) will ignore passcode entry delays, will not erase the device after any number of incorrect attempts, and will allow the FBI to hook up an external device to facilitate guessing the passcode. The FBI will send Apple the recovered iPhone so that this customized version of iOS never physically leaves the Apple campus.
Posted By: belindabell
than creating a back door that will open hundreds of thousands of phones to not only the gov't but every  
 person on the Earth.  
   
 
-- Modifie



-- Modified on 2/18/2016 3:22:12 AM

Post Reply Back To Forum
Register Now!