Politics and Religion

So what would YOU suggest, if the evidence points to Rumsfeld as having ordered the interrogations?
Bush Whacker 11636 reads
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1 / 10

Dear Mr Bush,

As a soldier in Iraq right now, I find your prosecution of ONLY the line soldiers for the torture the main reason why my fellow troopers will not be supporting you in Nov.

Your attempt to ONLY blame the guards and absolve Mr Rumsfeld and yourself of all blame in this is a betrayal of the troops.

We all know there orders given by the command and your lying only makes you look like a coward.

All my buds here agree with me and are hoping and pray to Jesus Christ that you are not returned as our CiC this fall.

You have dishonored and betrayed every trooper here and should never be in command of US troops again.

Sincerely

A soldier who loves America but cannot stand a lying betraying President Bush

RLTW 10123 reads
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2 / 10

Dear Mr. EvilBush(tm),

As a poser pretending to be a soldier in Iraq right now, you will find that my lame attempt to blame you for prosecuting ONLY the line soldiers for the torture demonstrates my supreme ignorance of the Military and the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ). It further shows that I cannot differentiate between abuse, which is bad, and torture, which is extremely bad.

My attempt to ONLY blame the evil CheneyRumsfeld(tm) and yourself in this is a betrayal of reason and reveals a level of uninformed ignorance that can only be matched by a Michael Moore fan club member.

All my buds here at International A.N.S.W.E.R. agree with me and are hoping and pray to Allah that you are not returned as the Great Satan™ this fall.

Sincerely,

A poser who loves my version of America but cannot stand to let the truth get in the way of a good rant.

RLTW


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HarryLime 10 Reviews 12722 reads
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3 / 10

... god bless him for paying the freight when he can't meet any of the US / UK talent right now.

sdstud 18 Reviews 12635 reads
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4 / 10

It seems clear that we have is the result of all appropriate behavior along the chain of command having yeilded to a climate where, SPECIFICALLY Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, Cheney, and yes, BUSH, have determined that we should NOT be constrained by the rules of civility and the Geneva Convention in interrogating Terrorists.  And of course, once we began sliding down this slippery slope, who gets to decide who might or might not be a terrorist?  Well, the CIA, or maybe the civilian contractors that we hired to do our dirty work.  Of course, these folks were doing EXACTLY what they were told to do, only we certainly didn't want them taking PICTURES of it.

Like it or not, it should be starting to become clear to anybody with a brain that the Interrogation techniques at Abu Grhaib were NOT the result of 7 rogue grunt soldiers, but rather, an entire interrogation regime that, whether it was misapplied or correctly applied according to it's intent, stems DIRECTLY from the determination by Bush/Ashcroft/Rumsfeld that Terrorists were NOT to be treated under the Geneva convention rules, so we would be unencumbered by the dictates of civilization to treat these folks humanely, when there might be information that could be extracted by treating them otherwise.  Well, we have obviously fallen off of that slippery slope, because these Iraqi citizens might have been insurgents, who, after all, are nearly like terrorists in that neither one likes us occupying Iraq.  

Bush has reaped what he has sown in this instance.  He needs to be fired by the American Public in November, for the entire Iraq fiasco, since he has made it clear that Rumsfeld did what Bush wanted him to do.  This entire misadventure in Iraq has done more to endanger American security than anything else in the last 60 years.  And nobody is to blame for it other than George W. Bush.

O.H. 1 Reviews 9020 reads
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5 / 10

I, like most Americans, do not support the actions of a few members of our forces and their leaders. To a certain point I would say that I am outraged by the behavior of both the leadership and the rank and file. I have been listening to the Dems. rant about their outrage but they seem to stop short of what is really going on.

I am equally out raged by the burning and mutilation and hanging of bodies from bridges. I am also somewhat outraged by the beheading of a civilian. Where was the Red Cross observer at this detention center when the beheading occured.  Did anyone question the lack of Red Cross detention center visitation for the contractor that just escaped from Iraq detention. I am outraged by the killing yesterday of three unarmed Women working for the coalition. I am outraged by the almost daily murder of civilians by the suicide bombers. Do the senators publish photos of the women and children killed and mutilated by the bombers. I am equally upset by the findings in the mass graves that are being excavated in Iraq.

Just today in the news it was reported that a bomb had killed the leader of the Iraq council and that the bomb contained sarin nerve agent. This has been used by Iraq in the past. I will be waiting for a statement of outrage from Kerry or Kennedy and his boys condeming the use of WMD's. You will never hear that though because that would require an admission that WMD's really do exist.

There isn't enough time to list all of the outragous things  that happen almost daily. I believe that the few examples given above are a lot more serious than the humilliation of a few prisoners. I, for one, support our young men and women over there and believe that the lack of "TOTAL" outrage is outragous in and of it's self.

By the way RLTW, (with a smile on my face) do you think Mr. EvilBush is really a VIP member of this forum? Inquiring minds (and libs.) want to know.

sdstud 18 Reviews 8266 reads
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6 / 10

Our own experts believe that the unrelated sarin bomb, which in fact only caused very minor injuries,  was actually from a very old stockpile and that the folks who detonated it didn't even REALIZE it was an old sarin bomb that had likely come from the old caches that Saddam had actually intended to destroy.

2sense 12222 reads
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7 / 10

It's also very likely that the chemicals in the two cannisters that made up the bomb had degraded to the point that there was little, if no, danger. These stocks, after all, would be ~15 years old, and there would be considerable degradation over time, especially in the Iraqi summers.

The www.dailyfarce.com has an amusing story on this entitled:

"....WMD With Sarin and Dijon Mustard Gas Explodes In Baghdad; U.S./French Relationship Strained...."

RLTW 13262 reads
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8 / 10

Watch that talk about those pesky little chemical weapons O.H., you'll be accused of being one of the Mindless Minions of EvilBush(tm). I'm not sure about EvilBush(tm) being a member of TER, because if the bush-haters are correct, he is too stupid to use a PC. But, I'm absolutely sure that VileCheneyRumsfeld(tm) is lurking in the dark depths of TER. Think "undisclosed location".

Nice post, by the way.

RLTW

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sdstud 18 Reviews 12089 reads
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9 / 10

It's pretty typical - You Bush apologists could care less if the information is true, so long as it supports Bush.  You'd fit right into the current administration with that mindset.

zinaval 7 Reviews 10911 reads
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10 / 10

My vote counts for nothing among radical Islamics.  My free speech counts for less, because I don't know their language and they don't know mine.  Even more, who am I supposed to punish for their crimes and how is responsibity to be determined?  Obviously those who committed the act hands-on deserve years of pain and ordeal.  But we are not intelligent enough to find them, and not powerful enough to punish them-- that is without getting the innocent in the crossfire.    

Since I'm an atheist, it's pointless for me to kill them from vengeance.  There being no afterlife, there's no way for them to perceive the punishment after the fact.  So, they are not punished; they are ended.  The only thing killing them will do then is gain for us scores of enemies among the living from vengeful friends and relatives.

So, you want me to feel more outrage toward these people.  To what point.  We've already invaded, and we've stomped their country.  What's left?  Genocide?  Religious war?  Ultimately, the anger that we feel from one atrocity after another will be displaced to include all Islam, and may only end, if even then, when nukes drop on Mecca.  I do not like this prospect, though when I'm angry about it, I don't shrink from it.  

When 9/11 occurred, I thought the world was reeling toward a pan-Islamic World War.  Nothing since then has made me believe any different.  There are a billion Moslems in the world.  The casualties and damage from that are going to be staggering.

/Zin

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